Ubuntu Tells MS to Put Up or Shut Up

[Stephan Rose]

Big deal so you have a Linux distro that does not want to help the market by
enabling it to interoperate with the platform on over 90% of the worlds PCs
and a huge proportion of the worlds servers; unlike Novell, Xandros and
Linspire who all signed patent agreements
So they can sit there not wanting to open discussions with Microsoft and can
just wait for the inevitable patent infringement suite.
Frankly a pretty poor and petty display from a Linux distro (and more
accurately its parent sponsor) who appear to be unwilling to actually help
the consumer by working together to make the IT world a better and more
interoperable place for all.

The whole patent thing is utter bullshit.

I remember reading somewhere about MS submitting over 3,000 patents a YEAR?

A year has 365 days the last time I checked.

So that makes roughly just over 8 patents a day. Now considering a 40 hour
workweek and 5 days, that means 56 patents in 5 days or 1.4 patents per
hour.

So let me get this right.

It takes MS 5 years to produce *one* operating systems but yet they can
generate a patentable idea every single hour of a 40 hour workweek?

And out of this huge mass of patents they have, they can only barely
scrounge up 235 that they refuse to even name?

I mean come on...If someone doesn't smell bullshit here they need to have
their nose examined.

Out of curiosity, I did some googling and found one random patent of
Microsoft's that just made me gag.

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/34234.html

"The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office granted Patent No. 6,727,830 to
Microsoft in late April. It spells out a "method and system" for enabling
a user to call up different versions of an application depending on how
buttons on a "limited resource computing device" are manipulated.

For instance, a single click might call up the default version of an
application, pushing and holding the button could cause an alternative
version to be activated, and still different functions could be activated
by a "double-click.""

Any developer who's ever done any User interface work is in a state of
disbelief right now after reading that. This essentially means that
virtually every single program I've written violates that patent!

Patenting that a single click could do something different than a double
click? I mean COME ON!!!

What else do they have patents on? Rectangles? Circles? Variable names?
Rectangular VS a Round button? A^2 + B^2 = C^2? Planetary alignment? Maybe
they will patent the solar eclipse next and charge everyone that watches
it. I am sure the patent office would grant it!

I think I should try to take a shit in my toilet, take a picture of it,
and submit that to the patent office as a special way of taking a dump. If
shit falls in that particular way, it flushes more efficiently.

The entire software patent issue is in a state of bullshit. The patent
office has been handing it out like water because they don't understand
*what* they are handing out a patent on. As long as it's worded
technically enough to where the patent monkey can't understand it, it gets
approved.

If it smells, tastes, looks and feels like bullshit...it probably is.

Wouldn't be the first time that MS got into a bullshit lawsuit and got
their ass handed to them in court now wouldn't it?

And I really would like to know how they will enforce their so called
patents outside of the US against software that is developed world-wide
in areas where their patents have no validity.

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Stephan
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[Frank]

The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

 

[Frank]

If MS wants this, *THEY* need to prove their case. You can't do that w/o
listing the patents.

So therefore, all of that would be REQUIRED to be disclosed before *ANY*
agreements of *ANY* type. Whatever agreement would be a contract between
them with exact details of what is covered under what and where.

Unless of course the MS patent team is the same team that write the
Windows EULA's.

I'd bet all the tea in china the distro companies know full well which
patents their infringing on and have known for years.
They're proly trying to figure out how to get of the mess the cheapest
way possible.
Which is what I’d do?
Course I'm still waiting for the linux fanboys to finally admit that RS
is satan incarnate and that LT is just a common thief.
But I guess those truths hurt too much.
Frank

 

[ArameFarpado]

Em Terça, 19 de Junho de 2007 19:52, Stephan Rose escreveu:

What else do they have patents on? Rectangles? Circles? Variable names?
Rectangular VS a Round button? A^2 + B^2 = C^2? Planetary alignment? Maybe
they will patent the solar eclipse next and charge everyone that watches
it. I am sure the patent office would grant it!

Don't botter... it is a known fact that the amount of inteligent people is
less than 2% in the hole world... you are trying to teach snails to use
phones...

All patents are ilegal, since Ms never ever have "invented" nothing new...
let those gready bastarts try to sue us, they wiil be bying a war that they
never win.

This positions that Ms take, let me wonder if hitler really died or did he
have crossed the atlantic...

 

[David]

Em Terça, 19 de Junho de 2007 19:52, Stephan Rose escreveu:


Don't botter... it is a known fact that the amount of inteligent people is
less than 2% in the hole world... you are trying to teach snails to use
phones...

All patents are ilegal, since Ms never ever have "invented" nothing new...
let those gready bastarts try to sue us, they wiil be bying a war that
they
never win.

This positions that Ms take, let me wonder if hitler really died or did he
have crossed the atlantic...

After reading this post with all the grammatical and spelling errors, I am
convinced that you are not one of the 2%.

David

 

[ArameFarpado]

Em Terça, 19 de Junho de 2007 23:11, David escreveu:

After reading this post with all the grammatical and spelling errors, I am
convinced that you are not one of the 2%.

David

Wo cares about what you're convinced ?

 

[Stephan Rose]

After reading this post with all the grammatical and spelling errors, I am
convinced that you are not one of the 2%.

Or maybe, just maybe, his native language is something other than English?

You might want to remember that this is an international newsgroup, and
while English is taught as a foreign language in most places of the world,
very little of it is actually English speaking.


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[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

<blush!>

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Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Spoken like a true NixTurd (oops, NixTard)."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
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[Alias]

Even if you win market share it is not good enough anymore to try and
stand alone - you must interop.

I have no problem using Ubuntu to "interop" with Windows.

Something even Microsoft has learned. As are other Linux distros. It
is just a pity and plainly petty for 2 players (Redhat and Ubuntu) to
take such parochial stance on this and not wanting to play ball for the
betterment of he game as a whole.

The "game" of course, being refereed by MS.

I never said "most" but the number are not inconsiderable. If not then
why all he bitching about making the internal protcols for the server
platform more open so that others can interop too?

As Nina pointed out, we have malwareHell due to the Windows servers out
there.

Or wise business move that helps them and the wider IT community with
better interop.
FUD.

You have such a narrow view of things. You need to take a bigger
picture view of the IT landscape and then your realize how important
interop and coop are.

When will MS learn that and stop threatening to sue based on yet to be
announced patents? Not very cooperative if you ask me.

Does the "suite" come with a jacuzzi? Or did MS patent that too?

[Typo] suit

That was a joke, son.

Or you can talk to them about the deal they are offering, or play the
waiting game and let your product and its interop stagnate while others
move ahead in the industry.

More FUD. MS is losing it's "the only game in town" status and is acting
accordingly to maintain market share.

Alias

 

[Alias]

I guess you have nothing better to do

You have no idea what I do.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Yeah!!! :-D
Frank

Pathetic is thinking that you've won an argument by insulting the other
party. You haven't. You've only demonstrated your true colors because
you just can't help yourselves. You even think you're being clever and cute.

Alias

 

[Frank]

Pathetic is thinking that you've won an argument by insulting the other
party. You haven't. You've only demonstrated your true colors because
you just can't help yourselves. You even think you're being clever and
cute.

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Pathetic is you thinking you actually know what you're talking about.
That really pathetic!
Frank

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Don't need to know what you do other than annoy people. Probably you are on
food stamps, living with your mother in a double-wide trailer in Alabama or
some other backwards area of the country. Hound dog sitting next to you in
your 72 Chevy truck with the regulation gun rack in the back windows,
chewing tobacco, missing some front teeth, going to pick up your cousin for
the County dance.

 

[Alias]

Don't need to know what you do other than annoy people. Probably you are on
food stamps, living with your mother in a double-wide trailer in Alabama or
some other backwards area of the country. Hound dog sitting next to you in
your 72 Chevy truck with the regulation gun rack in the back windows,
chewing tobacco, missing some front teeth, going to pick up your cousin for
the County dance.

You didn't even get the right country, much less anything else I do.
Being as my mother is deceased, it's unlikely I am living with her. I
left home probably before you were born. I don't own a car or a truck. I
find that walking is much better exercise and I live in a country where
a care is not really necessary. I have no pets. I hate guns and would
never chew tobacco.

Oops.

Alias

 

[Telstar]

Something that Ubuntu is changing big time.

Prove that! How many copies of Vista have been sold?

Most servers are Linux. Oops.

unlike

So they could get millions of dollars of MS money. Cop out and selling out
come to mind.


Does the "suite" come with a jacuzzi? Or did MS patent that too?


Do you really believe this FUD? MS says Linux is violating 235 patents but
won't reveal what patents they're talking about. They should put up or
shut up and so should you.

Alias

Laughable ... did you ever take a course in rationality or logic in school,
or just drama class?