Ubuntu Tells MS to Put Up or Shut Up

[Alias]

For more see:

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2192329/ubuntu-repels-microsoft-patent

Alias

 

[Mike Brannigan]

For more see:

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2192329/ubuntu-repels-microsoft-patent

Alias

Big deal so you have a Linux distro that does not want to help the market by
enabling it to interoperate with the platform on over 90% of the worlds PCs
and a huge proportion of the worlds servers; unlike Novell, Xandros and
Linspire who all signed patent agreements
So they can sit there not wanting to open discussions with Microsoft and can
just wait for the inevitable patent infringement suite.
Frankly a pretty poor and petty display from a Linux distro (and more
accurately its parent sponsor) who appear to be unwilling to actually help
the consumer by working together to make the IT world a better and more
interoperable place for all.

 

[Frank]

For more see:

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2192329/ubuntu-repels-microsoft-patent

Alias

Only a fool like you would think that's good news.
How spiteful yet sad.
Frank

 

[Alias]

Big deal so you have a Linux distro that does not want to help the
market by enabling it to interoperate with the platform on over 90% of
the worlds PCs

Something that Ubuntu is changing big time.

and a huge proportion of the worlds servers;

Most servers are Linux. Oops.

unlike

Novell, Xandros and Linspire who all signed patent agreements

So they could get millions of dollars of MS money. Cop out and selling
out come to mind.

So they can sit there not wanting to open discussions with Microsoft and
can just wait for the inevitable patent infringement suite.

Does the "suite" come with a jacuzzi? Or did MS patent that too?

Frankly a pretty poor and petty display from a Linux distro (and more
accurately its parent sponsor) who appear to be unwilling to actually
help the consumer by working together to make the IT world a better and
more interoperable place for all.

Do you really believe this FUD? MS says Linux is violating 235 patents
but won't reveal what patents they're talking about. They should put up
or shut up and so should you.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Only a fool like you would think that's good news.

It's great news unless you want everything on your computer to be MS.

How spiteful yet sad.
Frank

No spite involved at all nor am I sad.

The sad person is you who can only insult people.

Alias

 

[Bill Yanaire]

News to Alias: This is a Vista group, not a Ubuntu group. If people wanted
to hear about Ubuntu, they would look for it.

 

[Alias]

News to Alias: This is a Vista group, not a Ubuntu group. If people wanted
to hear about Ubuntu, they would look for it.

My Dear Net Nanny,

It says vista.general on the door. Viable alternatives to Vista is ON TOPIC.

Live with it.

Alias

 

[Bill Yanaire]

I guess you have nothing better to do

My Dear Net Nanny,

It says vista.general on the door. Viable alternatives to Vista is ON
TOPIC.

Live with it.

Alias

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Something that Ubuntu is changing big time.

Even if you win market share it is not good enough anymore to try and stand
alone - you must interop.
Something even Microsoft has learned. As are other Linux distros. It is
just a pity and plainly petty for 2 players (Redhat and Ubuntu) to take such
parochial stance on this and not wanting to play ball for the betterment of
he game as a whole.

Most servers are Linux. Oops.

I never said "most" but the number are not inconsiderable. If not then why
all he bitching about making the internal protcols for the server platform
more open so that others can interop too?

unlike

So they could get millions of dollars of MS money. Cop out and selling out
come to mind.

Or wise business move that helps them and the wider IT community with better
interop.
You have such a narrow view of things. You need to take a bigger picture
view of the IT landscape and then your realize how important interop and
coop are.

Does the "suite" come with a jacuzzi? Or did MS patent that too?

[Typo] suit

Do you really believe this FUD? MS says Linux is violating 235 patents but
won't reveal what patents they're talking about. They should put up or
shut up and so should you.

Or you can talk to them about the deal they are offering, or play the
waiting game and let your product and its interop stagnate while others move
ahead in the industry.

 

[Frank]

My Dear Net Nanny,

It says vista.general on the door. Viable alternatives to Vista is ON
TOPIC.

Live with it.

Alias

Viable alternatives? You're trying to pass off a toy os as a real
alternative to Vista? Don't make me laugh!
You're joking of course?
Also "Viable alternatives to Vista is ON TOPIC' is something you made up
to suit your own sicko agenda.
And because this ng is not moderated, scumbags linux loser trolls like
you get by with doing basically whatever you want to do.
Try doing that over at your open sores church-trash dot.
You're pathetic!
Frank

 

[Bill Yanaire]

You tell 'em Frank. Good Job !

Viable alternatives? You're trying to pass off a toy os as a real
alternative to Vista? Don't make me laugh!
You're joking of course?
Also "Viable alternatives to Vista is ON TOPIC' is something you made up
to suit your own sicko agenda.
And because this ng is not moderated, scumbags linux loser trolls like you
get by with doing basically whatever you want to do.
Try doing that over at your open sores church-trash dot.
You're pathetic!
Frank

 

[DanS]

Only a fool like you would think that's good news.
How spiteful yet sad.
Frank

That is good news in the sense that one company is refusing to be bullied
into paying MS for so-called patent infringements.

MS has of yet to disclose the individual patents. Therefore, Canonical has
no obligation to make any agreement with them about any of these 'vapor'
(as of right now) patents. You would think a large corporation would be
happy to provide the details of each and every patent and an explanation of
why they believe each has been infringed on.

That is what would be required to go through any legal proceedings is it
not ?

 

[Frank]

You tell 'em Frank. Good Job !

Yeah!!! :-D
Frank

 

[Gary]

You just have no idea of the big picture do you?
How on earth in your twisted brain can this be good for anyone?

 

[Frank]

That is good news in the sense that one company is refusing to be bullied
into paying MS for so-called patent infringements.

Bullied into paying for infringing on patents?...that's real convoluted
thinking. That implies the alleged infringer(s) have the right to infringe.
I don't think so.

MS has of yet to disclose the individual patents.

So a couple of the opens sores distros actually think MS is bluffing to
make them pay patent royalty monies!
That kind of logic (if you can even call that logic) coming from a
company is rather scary.
Who's the wacko in charge of that deal?

Therefore, Canonical has no obligation to make any agreement with them
about any of these 'vapor'
(as of right now) patents. You would think a large corporation would be

happy to provide the details of each and every patent and an explanation of
why they believe each has been infringed on.

Oh I'm quite sure these distro companies are well aware of what and how
they're infringing on MS patents. We (the general public) don't really
know what's been going on behind closed doors and you can bet your last
dollar MS is not bluffing on these matters. MS pays billions of $'s
every year in patents use royalties so they know which way the winds
blowing.

That is what would be required to go through any legal proceedings is it
not ?

Yep!
That's the deal.
Frank

 

[Mac]

Rumor has it that the list of patents was stored on a Vista machine in
Redmond. Trouble is it crashed and no-one has been able to recover the
data...

 

[Frank]

Rumor has it that the list of patents was stored on a Vista machine in
Redmond. Trouble is it crashed and no-one has been able to recover the
data...

hahaha...actually it's on our volume license copies and we're holding it
hostage until MS proves it's theirs...and pays us the big bucks of
course to get it back.

Frank

 

[DanS]

Bullied into paying for infringing on patents?...that's real
convoluted thinking. That implies the alleged infringer(s) have the
right to infringe. I don't think so.

No, it's not convoluted thinking.

This is *ALLEGED* patent infringement. You said it yourself above....
*ALLEDGED*.

So a couple of the opens sores distros actually think MS is bluffing
to make them pay patent royalty monies!
That kind of logic (if you can even call that logic) coming from a
company is rather scary.

It's the right logic to me. I never said they were bluffing. I said they
never disclosed which patents are under scrutiny. For a company or an
individual to just go along with something like this 'because', would be
stupid. Yes, I used the word *stupid*....sue me.

Who's the wacko in charge of that deal?

Apparently not a spineless twit. RedHat refuses to play along too.

Therefore, Canonical has no obligation to make any agreement with them
about any of these 'vapor'
(as of right now) patents. You would think a large corporation would
be

Oh I'm quite sure these distro companies are well aware of what and
how they're infringing on MS patents. We (the general public) don't
really know what's been going on behind closed doors and you can bet
your last dollar MS is not bluffing on these matters. MS pays billions
of $'s every year in patents use royalties so they know which way the
winds blowing.

Yet the claim is that MS has not listed any of the individual patents and
how they are infringed upon.

Yep!
That's the deal.

If MS wants this, *THEY* need to prove their case. You can't do that w/o
listing the patents.

So therefore, all of that would be REQUIRED to be disclosed before *ANY*
agreements of *ANY* type. Whatever agreement would be a contract between
them with exact details of what is covered under what and where.

Unless of course the MS patent team is the same team that write the
Windows EULA's.

 

[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

Even if you win market share it is not good enough anymore to try and
stand alone - you must interop.

Fedora core and windows have been doing so in my house for years.

Something even Microsoft has learned. As are other Linux distros. It
is just a pity and plainly petty for 2 players (Redhat and Ubuntu) to
take such parochial stance on this and not wanting to play ball for the
betterment of he game as a whole.

I for one am impressed that they refuse to spread their cheeks for MS on
command. They have my full support.

I never said "most" but the number are not inconsiderable. If not then

Correct. This is why we have MS to blame for malware hell:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/networking/?p=268&tag=nl.e129

why all he bitching about making the internal protcols for the server
platform more open so that others can interop too?

unlike

So they could get millions of dollars of MS money. Cop out and selling
out come to mind.

Or wise business move that helps them and the wider IT community with
better interop.
You have such a narrow view of things. You need to take a bigger
picture view of the IT landscape and then your realize how important
interop and coop are.

Does the "suite" come with a jacuzzi? Or did MS patent that too?

[Typo] suit

Do you really believe this FUD? MS says Linux is violating 235 patents
but won't reveal what patents they're talking about. They should put
up or shut up and so should you.

Or you can talk to them about the deal they are offering, or play the
waiting game and let your product and its interop stagnate while others
move ahead in the industry.

Alias

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[The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy]

Viable alternatives? You're trying to pass off a toy os as a real
alternative to Vista? Don't make me laugh!
You're joking of course?
Also "Viable alternatives to Vista is ON TOPIC' is something you made up
to suit your own sicko agenda.
And because this ng is not moderated, scumbags linux loser trolls like
you get by with doing basically whatever you want to do.
Try doing that over at your open sores church-trash dot.
You're pathetic!
Frank

Hi Frank. I noticed you have taken to using a few turns of phrase from
Doris. Do you miss her too?

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