UAC

[Julsie]

I have a program called DragonDictate which will not start in "elevated
mode". So, after my computer has started I have to untick the UAC in the
users account, restart my computer and start DragonDictate.
My problem is that after a few hours DragonDictate ceases to function and
when I check in the users account I see that the uac as once more "corrected
itself" and it is ticked again which means I have to start procedure again if
I want to use my dictation program.
Is there no way at all whereby I can permanently cancel the uac. I am
prepared to take the risks that may involve. To have to reboot my computer
every few hours to get programmes to work is a real nuisance.

I would really appreciate some help for this

 

[Man-wai Chang ToDie]

I have a program called DragonDictate which will not start in "elevated
mode". So, after my computer has started I have to untick the UAC in the
users account, restart my computer and start DragonDictate.
My problem is that after a few hours DragonDictate ceases to function and
when I check in the users account I see that the uac as once more "corrected

Did you install DragonDictate as Administrator?

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[Mark]

Uninstall DragonDictate.
Delete any remnants you find... folders, files.
Turn off UAC.
Re-install DragonDictate.
Leave UAC off. (If you turn it back on, DragonDictate will cease to
function.)
Some programs don't like it when UAC changes state after installation.

Now standby for all the UAC advocates, who somehow managed to survive the
last 30 years without it, telling you how bad it is to turn this off and how
much fun it is to answer that stupid prompt 10 times a day or more.

 

[Malke]

I have a program called DragonDictate which will not start in "elevated
mode". So, after my computer has started I have to untick the UAC in the
users account, restart my computer and start DragonDictate.
My problem is that after a few hours DragonDictate ceases to function and
when I check in the users account I see that the uac as once more
"corrected itself" and it is ticked again which means I have to start
procedure again if I want to use my dictation program.
Is there no way at all whereby I can permanently cancel the uac. I am
prepared to take the risks that may involve. To have to reboot my
computer every few hours to get programmes to work is a real nuisance.

I would really appreciate some help for this

What do DragonDictate's tech support people say?

Malke

 

[Julsie]

Thank you all for replying.
My problem simply is that If i turn off UAC it finds a way of reinstating!!!1
I want to remove it permanently- UAC

 

[Susan Bradley]

Never see the prompt.

If you install programs the proper way, you never see it.

 

[Mark]

Congratulations!
The proper way?
You mean you don't take a disk out of the box and use the standard method of
installation... you know: autorun.inf, setup.exe, install.exe, etc.?
(I noticed you didn't post this miracle cure so it could be tested by those
that install, test and remove ten or more programs a day.)

 

[Phil Wilson]

The miracle cure is to write apps and installation programs that don't
require administrator privileges. Unfortunately hardly anybody can be
bothered to do it because they've got used to NOT doing it (over the past 30
yrs). Should games really require administrator privilege to install and
run?

 

[Kayman]

Thank you all for replying.
My problem simply is that If i turn off UAC it finds a way of reinstating!!!1

Your real problem is that you refuse to listen to good advice.
Start educate yourself!
Re-read the responses from Malke, Susan and M-wai and act accordingly.

I want to remove it permanently- UAC

Very bad idea!

Do not work in elevated level; Day-to-day work should be performed while
the User Account Control (UAC) is enabled. Turning off UAC reduces the
security of your computer and may expose you to increased risk from
malicious software.
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...8514-4c9e-ac08-4c21f5c6c2d91033.mspx?mfr=true

Familiarize yourself with "Services Hardening in Windows Vista".
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/01/SecurityWatch/

UAC is important to have running in the first place, and it's doubly true
with the average consumer PC, which commonly has a non-technical user
responsible for maintaining it.
http://itsvista.com/2008/02/12-of-consumers-disable-vistas-uac-down-from-16/

Peez of Pith

 

[Bob]

I disagree. If you are running AV, AS (2 or more) and a firewall AND you
have a working brain you don't need UAC.

 

[Susan Bradley]

No I blog about it.

Stick the cdrom in,
Browse to the cdrom,
right mouse click on the setup file
Run as administrator

Install

If the program is an older crappy one you use Luabuglight tool or
Process Explorer to determine the needed registry keys/permissions to be
tweaked.

http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2006/08/07/LuaBuglight.aspx
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

You can change the 'run as XP sp2' or 'run as administrator' in the
compatability tab, but I prefer the Luabuglight method as it's the same
thing I need to identify to get these same programs to run without
administrator rights on XP.

It's no miracle cure, it's a tested process.

Is it too much for the consumer crowd? Absolutely which is why in her
case if she can't get an update from the Vendor, which is what Malke was
saying she would be better off adjusting the UAC to silently elevate.
But turning it off turns off protected mode for IE.

In my preference it would be

Adjusting it to silently elevate --
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2008/02/08/keep-your-bikini-on.aspx
Hacking the permissions --
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2008/02/20/installing-quickbook-2006-on-vista.aspx
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bradley/archive/2008/01/26/dusting-off-command-line-for-vista.aspx

Ain't rocket science, but I'd argue it's better than "turn it off and
wait for the UAC advocates to post".

 

[Susan Bradley]

Why does one need 2 or more AS?

UAC helps me and my working brain.

It also forced vendors to start coding more appropriately.

I don't need to be an administrator when I'm merely running software.

 

[Mark]

Thanks for the clarification, but if I had to do that for every program I
load, test and uninstall I'd have given up on Vista a long time ago.
Turning off the prompts with the registry entry simply elevates most
programs (turns UAC off), but it is not supposed to elevate some, such as
true admin commands (like policy changes, cmd, etc.)
Additionally, it is not silent. It nags you every time it wakes up to tell
you that UAC is turned off with a red shield and a tool tip balloon.
Lastly, can't really test these programs for compatibility, installation and
uninstall if I turn it off.

The only benefit I see is that it leaves IE Protected mode on while turning
UAC off.

I don't have a real problem with UAC. I just hate to have to interface with
a program that's dumber than me.
Two viruses in 30 years is a good record for common sense and "running
naked" without a loss in computer performance to all the protection schemes.
Although I do use a firewall now... the default Windows version. Why Windows
version? It's silent.
(Make backups with an external hard drive and you can restore in 20 minutes.
Much less troublesome than UAC.)

 

[Susan Bradley]

The silently elevate in the security policy does not. UAC is still on,
it just silently elevates.

Again, it's not turning it off, it's auto elevating it.

 

[Paul Smith]

I disagree. If you are running AV, AS (2 or more) and a firewall AND you
have a working brain you don't need UAC.

That is utter nonsense. Why should applications have full access to the
box?

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[Mark]

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...422c-b70e-b18ff918c2811033.mspx#BKMK_AdminUAC

For the sake of having the facts straight, I just attempted both methods of
setting UAC to No Prompts:
Registry:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System]
Change the value of ConsentPromptBehaviorAdmin from "2" to "0".
This immediately results in the red shield and a balloon stating UAC has
been turned off.
Check security center: UAC is turned off.
Attempt to install a cheap non-vista game: Program installs without a
prompt.
Allow computer to sleep: Nag upon return to life.
Reboot: Nag upon return to life.
Disabling nag prevents any security center issue from notifying you it
is in trouble.

Using secpol.msc to set UAC to No Prompts gave exact same results and
amazingly set the same registry value to "0."

Neither method produced a prompt when attempting to reset security
settings if set for No Prompt.
IE remained in Protected Mode for both cases.

(I did not pursue all installed programs to seek those that were now
confused and not functioning correctly as a result of switching UAC modes,
but if UAC is still running, there should be no problems. It is actually
disabling UAC that causes problems with these.)

 

[Kayman]

I disagree. If you are running AV, AS (2 or more) and a firewall AND you
have a working brain you don't need UAC.

Your 'working brain' appears to be confused; UAC is much more then
running/relying on anti-whatever things...do some reading and try to
comprehend, Google is your friend ;-)

 

[benedito78]

ALL applications, especially malware should have full access to the box, if
they don't, how will we get people to switch to Apple or Linux???? How will
spammers get the message out? How will criminals get your bank logins?
Curse you UAC!!!!

-Lou

 

[Bob]

That is utter nonsense. Why should applications have full access to the
box?

Because it's MY box and I want to decide what has access to it. I don't want
or need "big brother's" help.
XP didn't need UAC and neither does Vista.

 

[Bob]

Thank you, but I've done my reading.

Your 'working brain' appears to be confused; UAC is much more then
running/relying on anti-whatever things...do some reading and try to
comprehend, Google is your friend ;-)