UAC and other permission schemes delay progress

[Retired]

Is Vista a step backwards? I don't need all of these UAC controls. For many
years now I have gotten along just fine with few hindrances to efficiency.
Now Vista comes along and I can't get hardly anything done because of this
over-controlling UAC concept and other ridiculous permission junk.

If I want to uninstall or delete something, I don't want the system telling
me no! I am capable of fixing any mistakes I might make.

When I installed XP for the first time, it was a learning experience, and I
had to seek out some new device drivers, but right out of the box I was able
to do good solid computer tasks. Not so with Vista. UAC and other Vista
schemes really, really get in the way. Microsoft should leave it up to the
computer user to set up his/her own protection, There are plenty of great
anti-virus and anti-spyware programs out there, and some of the good ones
are free. So why is UAC needed? It's a wonder that Microsoft didn't build
Norton into Vista!

 

[Tom Lake]

Is Vista a step backwards? I don't need all of these UAC controls. For

many years now I have gotten along just fine with few hindrances to
efficiency. Now Vista comes along and I can't get hardly anything done
because of this over-controlling UAC concept and other ridiculous
permission junk.

So turn it off if you don't like it.

Tom Lake

 

[Richard Urban]

How many millions of computers are, at this very moment, spewing out
virus's, trojans and worms - not to mention spam email, because Microsoft
had "left it up to the computer user" to secure their system.

I want to thank you very much for ***YOUR*** contribution to the crap that
tries to make it to my inbox, therefore slowing down the entire internet for
everyone who uses it.

Bravo for you!

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Retired]

So turn it off if you don't like it.

Tom Lake

If you mean turn off UAC, I did. However I still get all kinds of intrusive
Vista messages telling me something about this or that. This is the "other
ridiculous permission junk" items I was referring to in my original post.

 

[norm]

How many millions of computers are, at this very moment, spewing out
virus's, trojans and worms - not to mention spam email, because
Microsoft had "left it up to the computer user" to secure their system.

I want to thank you very much for ***YOUR*** contribution to the crap
that tries to make it to my inbox, therefore slowing down the entire
internet for everyone who uses it.

Bravo for you!

Not everything can be blamed on the user. This isn't a condition that
just happened. It has been rampant for years, and much of it was no
fault of the user. It wasn't so long ago that the user was the hapless
victim of the design of the os and didn't have any active role in the
infection of his computer. And instead of leaving it up to the user to
secure the system, perhaps a better choice would have been to secure the
os in the first place. ymmv.

 

[Frankster]

Nobody ever "beat up" MS because their OS could not be made secure. They
beat up MS because their OS was not secure as it came, by default,
out-of-the-box. Well... you can thank those folks for the UAC being on by
default.

-Frank

 

[Retired]

You are quite welcome. If you had used something other than your real email
address in newsgroup posts, and maintained your previous XP system properly
(Windows updated regularly, your anti-virus program updated regularly and
run often, and your anti-virus program updated regularly and run often) you
should not have experienced problems from "millions of computers are, at
this very moment, spewing out virus's, trojans and worms - not to mention
spam email".

That sort of precautionary practice is much better and far less intrusive
than having to contend with, as you so quaintly put it, "crap" like Vista's
UAC. With the UAC feature, Vista is crippled.

My XP system has been free from virus attacks for years, and I get very
little in the way of spam. Guess I'll drop Vista altogether - at least as
long as it includes UAC - which I definitely do not need.

By the way, if I had wanted to put my post (or a virus) into your Inbox, it
would have been a piece of cake because you broadcast your e-mail address.
Not a safe thing to do, and UAC won't offer much protection.

 

[Richard Urban]

You could never get into my system, even having my, very limited and seldom
used, email address. Vista goes a long way to preventing that. And, I never
open attachments or click on links in an email. And BTW, have you ever heard
of throw away addresses?

You say you are clean? I have not worked on one, not one, computer in the
last year that I have not pulled virus's, trojans, worms, rootkits, key
loggers etc. out of. Just because a person "thinks" they don't have any
doesn't mean they are clean. It just means they do not have the tools,
knowledge or experience to detect them.

90% to 95% of computer users do not have much of a clue when it comes to
protecting a system. Anything that Vista does is a step in the right
direction - for the average user.

Your advice stinks.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[dev]

UAC can be vanquished, or masked, as you may know. Control Panel|USERS
ACCOUNT,
last link on the page. However, this can lead to problems with legacy apps.

http://www.dcr.net/~w-clayton/Vista/Vista_Information.htm
http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

/Retired/ said:

 

[Guest]

You want to check mine out Richard; it IS clean. I am in business building
and repairing computers, and setting up security on them, and I do not need
microsoft's overboard attitude. Having said that, I know how to set Vista to
the way I want it set; but for customers, NO; they get all the defaults!

Mick Murphy in Australia(QLD)

 

[john]

How many millions of computers are, at this very moment, spewing out
virus's, trojans and worms - not to mention spam email, because Microsoft
had "left it up to the computer user" to secure their system.

I want to thank you very much for ***YOUR*** contribution to the crap that
tries to make it to my inbox, therefore slowing down the entire internet
for everyone who uses it.

Bravo for you!

and once again we are told that Microsoft knows what's good for us, and we
don't.
bravo to you as well.

--
=======================================
"Since when has the world of computer software design been about what
people want?"
- Bill Gates
=======================================

 

[Richard Urban]

For once you are basically correct. Microsoft does know what it wants to do
to protect those 90% of the people who want to use their computer as they
would their microwave or T.V. set.

Good for you. You are finally getting the picture.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[john]

How many millions of computers are, at this very moment, spewing out
virus's, trojans and worms - not to mention spam email, because Microsoft
had "left it up to the computer user" to secure their system.

I want to thank you very much for ***YOUR*** contribution to the crap that
tries to make it to my inbox, therefore slowing down the entire internet
for everyone who uses it.

Bravo for you!

Actually, you might actually have a point.
After all Bill Gates himself said (and I quote):

- "Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider
Monkey."

Just remember that folks, the next time you're tempted to lay down your hard
earned $$ for another Microsoft product.
What you get will be a direct result of this kind of thinking.

 

[john]

For once you are basically correct. Microsoft does know what it wants to
do to protect those 90% of the people who want to use their computer as
they would their microwave or T.V. set.

Good for you. You are finally getting the picture.

So you would buy a car if it exhibited this behavior?
You'd climb in, tell it you wanted to go to your favorite watering hole, and
instead it would drive you to your shrink...
It knows what's best, it doesn't matter what you think.

God, Microsoft love people like you.

ROFL

=======================================
Q: What is the difference between Jurassic Park and Microsoft?
A: One is an over-rated high tech theme park based on prehistoric
information and populated mostly by dinosaurs, the other is a Steven
Spielberg movie.
=======================================

 

[Richard Urban]

Many cars will not allow you to even start them unless the drivers seat belt
is buckled - a safety feature. So, the auto manufacturers force an action
upon the consumer. Some cars turn on the headlights whenever the engine is
running, without any input from the operator. A safety feature for sure.

Heating pads have an over temperature device that shuts down the current in
case the pad gets too hot. You want more heat/ Tough buddy!

Bathroom electrical outlets have ground fault detectors built in, by code.
You don't want them? Tough, you don't get a C.O.

Even the better computer power supplies have over current protection. You
want to add another hardware device? Tough luck buddy. You are past the
maximum allowed. John says, "But I want to add another hard drive"! Too bad
John.

Need I go on.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Richard Urban]

Where is your reference for the quote you supplied? Without supplying one
you are not credible.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[john]

Many cars will not allow you to even start them unless the drivers seat
belt is buckled - a safety feature. So, the auto manufacturers force an
action upon the consumer. Some cars turn on the headlights whenever the
engine is running, without any input from the operator. A safety feature
for sure.

Heating pads have an over temperature device that shuts down the current
in case the pad gets too hot. You want more heat/ Tough buddy!

Bathroom electrical outlets have ground fault detectors built in, by code.
You don't want them? Tough, you don't get a C.O.

Even the better computer power supplies have over current protection. You
want to add another hardware device? Tough luck buddy. You are past the
maximum allowed. John says, "But I want to add another hard drive"! Too
bad John.

Need I go on.

you're missing the point... It's all about choices, and Microsoft is
removing them.
he//, I'll even go so far as to agree with you that UAC might actually be a
good idea for the masses...
-IF- it worked, which clearly it doesn't.

How about this? Why not just suggest to Microsoft that they incorporate some
Patriot Act bits into their next Service Pack? Every keystroke would be
forwarded through Dept. of Homeland Security for microscopic scrutiny.
Only we wouldn't call it "spyware" we'll call it "added security" instead.
That oughta fool 'em

After all, us poor dumb consumers need all the protection from ourselves as
Microsoft can shove down our throats.

[ Microsoft is becoming what Geo. Orwell warned us about ]

=======================================
"Since when has the world of computer software design been about what
people want?" - Bill Gates
=======================================

 

[Richard Urban]

I liked the way, on old cars, you could just push a button on the dash to
start the engine. I don't need no friggen key.

Choices get removed all the time for various reasons, in countless products.
Learn to deal with it and stop whining!

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

Many cars will not allow you to even start them unless the drivers seat
belt is buckled - a safety feature. So, the auto manufacturers force an
action upon the consumer. Some cars turn on the headlights whenever the
engine is running, without any input from the operator. A safety feature
for sure.

Heating pads have an over temperature device that shuts down the current
in case the pad gets too hot. You want more heat/ Tough buddy!

Bathroom electrical outlets have ground fault detectors built in, by
code. You don't want them? Tough, you don't get a C.O.

Even the better computer power supplies have over current protection. You
want to add another hardware device? Tough luck buddy. You are past the
maximum allowed. John says, "But I want to add another hard drive"! Too
bad John.

Need I go on.

you're missing the point... It's all about choices, and Microsoft is
removing them.
he//, I'll even go so far as to agree with you that UAC might actually be
a good idea for the masses...
-IF- it worked, which clearly it doesn't.

How about this? Why not just suggest to Microsoft that they incorporate
some Patriot Act bits into their next Service Pack? Every keystroke would
be forwarded through Dept. of Homeland Security for microscopic scrutiny.
Only we wouldn't call it "spyware" we'll call it "added security" instead.
That oughta fool 'em

After all, us poor dumb consumers need all the protection from ourselves
as Microsoft can shove down our throats.

[ Microsoft is becoming what Geo. Orwell warned us about ]

=======================================
"Since when has the world of computer software design been about what
people want?" - Bill Gates
=======================================

 

[Bob Eyster]

To add to your comments...

UAC is also a big strain on you resources and processor time. it slows IE7
down to a craw.

 

[Adam Albright]

I liked the way, on old cars, you could just push a button on the dash to
start the engine. I don't need no friggen key.

Choices get removed all the time for various reasons, in countless products.
Learn to deal with it and stop whining!

Interesting to note that most whining in this newsgroup comes form
MVPs.