Two programs that UAC don't allow to load

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Alberto

Hello everybody,

I use Vista 32 Ultimate and I have this problem during the startup of Windows:

The UAC control stops 2 programs and I'm not able to let these programs load
with
UAC control active. Tried everything also in Windows defender but no success.
I must always confirm and let run these programs clicking on the UAC block
tray icon that appear during the load of these 2 programs.

Someone tell me that these programs blocked by UAC must be updated from the
developers to pass the UAC.

It's true?

Please let me know

Thanks
 
D

David Morgan \(MAMS\)

Alberto said:
Hello everybody,

I use Vista 32 Ultimate and I have this problem during the startup of Windows:

The UAC control stops 2 programs and I'm not able to let these programs load
with
UAC control active. Tried everything also in Windows defender but no success.
I must always confirm and let run these programs clicking on the UAC block
tray icon that appear during the load of these 2 programs.

Someone tell me that these programs blocked by UAC must be updated from the
developers to pass the UAC.

It's true?

Please let me know

Thanks
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I don't know the answer to your question, but the first thing I do during
the installation of VISTA for and 'single user' PC is to turn off UAC.

If you share the computer, I don't recommend this.... but if you are the
only user, turn it completely off.
 
A

Alberto

Hi,

Of course but that damned UAC control if not enabled don't let run some of
my programs, when I launch these programs make errors and don't start.If UAC
control is enabled the programs work well.

Someone tell me also try to give administrator rights to these two programs
"elevated"
but I don't know the right procedure to do this.

If someone knows please let me know.

Thank you
 
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Rick Rogers

Single user or not, UAC should not be disabled. UAC doesn't protect one user
from another, it protects the system from the actions of any user. Programs
that are not written for the Vista runtime environment should be installed
(and sometimes run) using elevated privileges it they are hard-coded to
write to system folders.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
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Alberto

Hi,

Good news for this!
I must uninstall the 2 programs, and then install them with "run as
administrator"?

Thank you
 
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David Morgan \(MAMS\)

Rick Rogers said:
Single user or not, UAC should not be disabled.
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It'll be a while before I buy that, Rick. Experience tells me otherwise.
UAC doesn't protect one user from another,
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It protects unauthorized alteration of files by unauthorized users does it not?
it protects the system from the actions of any user.
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From what actions? Protects "the system" from what? The owner !?!?
Programs
that are not written for the Vista runtime environment should be installed
(and sometimes run) using elevated privileges it they are hard-coded to
write to system folders.
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You have me worried now, Rick... but I'm not certain that I understand why.

I may be showing my ignorance here, but the first thing I turn off after installing
a VISTA OS is the UAC. Since I don't keep it running full time personally, I have
no first hand experience except for client feedback. I have yet to have a single
issue arise from having done so, and many of them are installing software such
as Office 2000 and other very old and even uncommon things... like Broderbund
Greeting Card, Bicycle Card gamepack, and other games and software, some
that barely proceed DOS. If it's on the compatibility lists, I've probably seen it....
and I've seen plenty of software that isn't on most lists, run fine with no UAC
on VISTA... often with no compatability mode preferences.

About 6 months ago I went into a Church office environment of multiple VISTA
PCs networked together that had all of the bogus trial software (some having
been activated, some not, and varying from machine to machine) and the host
of other BS that comes with most OEM "package" systems. The PCs had been
running for several months in a variety of offices, with a variety of users and a
variety of different software on each machine. I turned off UAC on all of them,
individually, and not one person has uttered a single word about noticing
*anything* different except for being thankful that those dumb-ass warning
windows are gone. (This would be the reason your statement concerns me).
I'm there, in the offices, 2 days a week.... not one utterance of any issues,
but I certainly don't want there to be.

Can you be more specific about what to keep a look out for?


--
David Morgan (MAMS)
Morgan Audio Media Service
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_____________________________
http://www.januarysound.com
 
R

Riffrafter

Rick Rogers said:
Single user or not, UAC should not be disabled. UAC doesn't protect one
user from another, it protects the system from the actions of any user.
Programs that are not written for the Vista runtime environment should be
installed (and sometimes run) using elevated privileges it they are
hard-coded to write to system folders.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
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Well, I really like Vista but not until I turned UAC off. It is the most
annoying, obtrusive and plain old dumb "feature" I've ever seen. The goal
and concept of UAC is a good one, but the way that MS tried to accomplish it
was terrible. It needs to get a whole lot "smarter" and work a whole more
efficiently behind the scenes before I would ever consider using it again.

-Riff
 
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Rick Rogers

Hi David,

It's all about malware. The number one source of user infections is malware
installing itself sight unseen. This occurs because users tend to run
themselves as administrators rather than as regular users (must be something
about the human pysche that they just can't stand not having full control,
even though it's not needed). Previous to Vista, malware could make use of
this privilege level and install itself without the user's knowledge, then
replicate and redistribute, and directly affect system and program folders
by writing to and altering system files. Much of it is sophisticated enough
to fool AV applications and block detection, rendering that type of real
time protection useless for curing or blocking the problem.

What UAC does is prevent these software bits from usurping this privilege
level, forcing it to be acknowledged by the user before it can alter
anything. In addition, with applications now being forced to run in the user
environment (%username%\appdata) rather than the shared system environment
(\%systemroot% or \Programs Files\program), any damage done by one user is
restricted to only their logon. When UAC is disabled and applications are
allowed to run with elevated privilege, it defeats this whole protection
scheme. It isn't perfect, as users are still in the habit of just ok'ing
everything that pops up when they install something, but it does force them
to be more aware.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
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XS11E

Alberto said:
Hello everybody,

I use Vista 32 Ultimate and I have this problem during the startup
of Windows:

The UAC control stops 2 programs and I'm not able to let these
programs load with
UAC control active. Tried everything also in Windows defender but
no success. I must always confirm and let run these programs
clicking on the UAC block tray icon that appear during the load of
these 2 programs.

Someone tell me that these programs blocked by UAC must be updated
from the developers to pass the UAC.

It's true?
Click to expand...

Some programs will never be able to be started at boot, see if you can
start them with Task Scheduler.

http://blog.gerke-preussner.de/inde...cking-Elevated-Startup-Programs-in-Vista.html

It's worked for me on a couple of programs....
 
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David Morgan \(MAMS\)

Riffrafter said:
Well, I really like Vista but not until I turned UAC off. It is the most
annoying, obtrusive and plain old dumb "feature" I've ever seen. The goal
and concept of UAC is a good one, but the way that MS tried to accomplish it
was terrible. It needs to get a whole lot "smarter" and work a whole more
efficiently behind the scenes before I would ever consider using it again.
Click to expand...

It took me 30 days of personal use and research before it made the bozo-bin.
Unfortunately, I still don't like VISTA yet... it's too busy doing stuff by itself to
suit my tastes.
 
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David Morgan \(MAMS\)

Rick Rogers said:
It's all about malware.
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Thank you very much for the lengthy response and good info..

Customer education is number one on my list. Spyware and
malware familiarization, cleanup and maintenance training is
part and parcel of every account I have... most of which run
as administrator full time.

My concern was that I may be affecting the manner in which
software runs for customers, and I haven't seen that happen.
The OP's issues seem rather odd to me, but I also allow *no*
software to start up with a machine.

DM
 
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Patrick Dickey

Alberto said:
Hi,

Of course but that damned UAC control if not enabled don't let run some of
my programs, when I launch these programs make errors and don't start.If
UAC
control is enabled the programs work well.

Someone tell me also try to give administrator rights to these two
programs
"elevated"
but I don't know the right procedure to do this.

If someone knows please let me know.

Thank you
Click to expand...

Hi Alberto,

The reason that your programs require UAC is that they are already
trying to start with Administrative rights. So, every time you reboot (with
UAC enabled) you'll have to start them manually. That's the purpose of UAC
(to ensure that only programs that YOU want to have Administrative rights,
get them).

It would be nice, if we could just set a "Don't ask me again" option
for the program, but then that would potentially give malware writers a
workaround. So, we're stuck with having to start the programs from the
"Disabled programs" list or turn UAC off.

Hope this helps, and if someone else already posted this with steps to
rectify the issue, then please follow their advice.
Patrick.
 

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