two copies of xp pro on same computer

A

Abhishek

hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi
 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

No, you cannot install and activate the same Windows XP
license installed as a second copy on the same computer.
You'll need to purchase a new license for a second installation
even though its installed on the same computer.

Please take a moment to read the EULA.

Go to Start > Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter.
Click on "End-User License Agreement".

How to Order Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.mspx

How to Order Additional Licenses for Windows XP Professional
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.mspx

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

:

| hi,
| is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
| computer (on different partition).
|
| currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
| i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
| softwares.
|
| is it possible?
|
| thanks,
| Abhi
 
K

kurttrail

Abhishek said:
hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi

Just do it. MS doesn't have a legal leg to stand on with keeping people
from installing the same copy more than one, on the same computer.

Activation should go through smoothly over the internet.

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K

kurttrail

Abhishek said:
hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi

http://www.microscum.com/censored/200408231704/

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Tom

Abhishek said:
hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi

Do it, I do, and the EULA states that one copy per PC, or on a "Computer System". Since it is on one physical running PC, you should have the right to install as many instances of that same disk, on that same PC as you wish. The activation will go through with no problems, since the hardware is the same. Hell, even that should be the allowance.

Another thing, I do beta testing (a good deal for MS also, i.e. SP2) on my other partition, and if MS thinks that I should purchase another copy of Windows to install on the same PC, where I actually use that secondary install as a testing partition (for most part) to their benefit, they can kiss my holiest of holies!!!!
 
H

hermes

Abhishek said:
hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi
If you believe in exercising your fair rights, then yes, you may. What
you should really do is research this and make your own decision. Read
the XP EULA, then research your rights. You can get more info at these
websites:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/
http://www.microscum.com/mmpafaq/

--
hermes
DRM sux! Treacherous Computing kills our virtual civil liberties!
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/index.html
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://anti-dmca.org/
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/unintended_consequences.php

Windows XP crashed.
I am the Blue Screen of Death.
No one hears your screams
 
S

SlowJet

Why would MS even care???????

SJ
-----Original Message-----
No, you cannot install and activate the same Windows XP
license installed as a second copy on the same computer.
You'll need to purchase a new license for a second installation
even though its installed on the same computer.

Please take a moment to read the EULA.

Go to Start > Run and type: WINVER , and hit enter.
Click on "End-User License Agreement".

How to Order Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
spx

How to Order Additional Licenses for Windows XP Professional
px

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default. aspx
--------------------

:

| hi,
| is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
| computer (on different partition).
|
| currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
| i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
| softwares.
|
| is it possible?
|
| thanks,
| Abhi
.
 
K

kurttrail

SlowJet said:
Why would MS even care???????

Because they like making up BS rules that they have no legal way to enforce.

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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

Abhishek said:
hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi

The End User Licenses Agreement is quite clear on this matter.

It states

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

Your second install to the computer breaches this.
You agreed to abide by the EULA as part of the install process for Windows
XP.
If you do not agree to abide by the EULA then you should not continue with
the install.
--

Regards,

Mike
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rights

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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

Abhishek said:
hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi

Do it, I do, and the EULA states that one copy per PC, or on a "Computer
System". Since it is on one physical running PC, you should have the right
to install as many instances of that same disk, on that same PC as you wish.
The activation will go through with no problems, since the hardware is the
same. Hell, even that should be the allowance.

Another thing, I do beta testing (a good deal for MS also, i.e. SP2) on my
other partition, and if MS thinks that I should purchase another copy of
Windows to install on the same PC, where I actually use that secondary
install as a testing partition (for most part) to their benefit, they can
kiss my holiest of holies!!!!

Tom the EULA is more specific.

It states

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

Your second install to the computer breaches this in that you are allowed to
"install" (hence the explicit use of this work in the EULA) the product once
to a computer.

And yes if you are using retail or OEM media for your testing machine you
are required to purchase a second license for your additional install.
--

Regards,

Mike
--
Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups

Abhishek said:
hi,
is it possible to install two copies of windows xp pro on a same
computer (on different partition).

currently on my computer windows xp is installed to partition C:, now
i want to install a new copy of xp pro on partition D: to test new
softwares.

is it possible?

thanks,
Abhi

Do it, I do, and the EULA states that one copy per PC, or on a "Computer
System". Since it is on one physical running PC, you should have the right
to install as many instances of that same disk, on that same PC as you wish.
The activation will go through with no problems, since the hardware is the
same. Hell, even that should be the allowance.

Another thing, I do beta testing (a good deal for MS also, i.e. SP2) on my
other partition, and if MS thinks that I should purchase another copy of
Windows to install on the same PC, where I actually use that secondary
install as a testing partition (for most part) to their benefit, they can
kiss my holiest of holies!!!!
 
M

Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

Bobby said:
Wow! I guess Microsoft really "doesn't have a legal leg to
stand on" if they have to censor your post.

Keep up the good work, Kurt.


The post was removed as the answer to the original posters question was
incorrect.

If you cannot agree to the EULA then do not press the button to accept it.
If you have any questions about the legality or validity of the EULA then
seek professional legal advice or write to our Legal and Corporate Affairs
department at our corporate head office.
--

Regards,

Mike
--
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

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K

kurttrail

Mike said:
Tom the EULA is more specific.

It states

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

Your second install to the computer breaches this in that you are allowed
to "install" (hence the explicit use of this work in the EULA) the product
once to a computer.

And yes if you are using retail or OEM media for your testing machine you
are required to purchase a second license for your additional install.

LOL! More BS requirements that MS doesn't have the exclusive right to
impose on individuals!

"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use."

What don't you guys get about the FACT that MS, or any other Copyright
owner, does not possess the exclusive right to limit my, or any other
individuals "fair use?" I'll believe the Supreme Court's words over MS's BS
requirements any day of the week, and if MS doesn't like it, ya'll will just
have to find the balls to sue me and WIN to legally prove me wrong.

I won't be holding my breath, as I know what chickensh*ts MS is when it
comes to legally enforcing its bogus rules on individuals, especially when
it comes to "fair use."

Just like PA, all FUD, no balls to legally back it up! The Emperor has no
clothes, and MS has no BALLS!

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K

kurttrail

Mike Brannigan said:
The post was removed as the answer to the original posters question was
incorrect.

PROVE IT!
If you cannot agree to the EULA then do not press the button to accept it.

THE COPYRIGHT OWNER DOES NOT POSSESS THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO LIMIT AN
INDIVIDUAL'S "FAIR USE."

"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use." - US
Supreme Court
If you have any questions about the legality or validity of the EULA then
seek professional legal advice or write to our Legal and Corporate Affairs
department at our corporate head office.

"Unfortunately, the only way to get a definitive answer on whether a
particular use is a fair use is to have it resolved in federal court."

And it only gets to a federal court, if the copyright owner has the balls to
sue, and then win, so when MS grows some balls give me a call, until then,
YOU CAN NOT RIGHTFULLY CLAIM THAT MY OPINION IS INCORRECT!

And as of right now, my opinion is as legally valid as yours and
Microsoft's!

Either get the balls to SUE ME, and legally prove I am incorrect, or
continue to look foolish for censoring me over a difference of OPINION!

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microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
K

kurttrail

Mike Brannigan said:
The End User Licenses Agreement is quite clear on this matter.

It states

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

Your second install to the computer breaches this.
You agreed to abide by the EULA as part of the install process for Windows
XP.
If you do not agree to abide by the EULA then you should not continue with
the install.

Since MS has proven that they don't show due diligence in legally enforcing
its EULA usage term on individuals, because it's too chickendsh*t to lose,
why should anyone follow it?

The lack of due diligence in legally enforcing the EULA usage terms is
enough cause for a judge to rule against MS if ya'll ever do get the balls
to try. With the Supreme Court precedent that "Any individual may reproduce
a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the copyright owner does not possess
the exclusive right to such a use" on top of MS's lack of due diligence,
your company really doesn't have a legal leg to stand on.

When it comes to individuals and "fair use," MS is the boy that cried wolf.
All BS and no legal proof!

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M

M

I raised this with the Microsoft product activation line and I was told that
I can install XP on ONE machine as many times as I like including
simultaneous installs. I explained that I was multibooting and I was told
that was OK. Since you can only actually run one copy at a time this seems
fair. The people running the activation line must know the what Microsoft's
position is on multiple installs on the same machine so my advice is go
ahead. If you need a free boot loader try Extended Operating System Loader
(XOSL) from http://www2.arnes.si/~fkomar/xosl.org/home.html
 
T

Tom

Mike Brannigan said:
Do it, I do, and the EULA states that one copy per PC, or on a "Computer
System". Since it is on one physical running PC, you should have the right
to install as many instances of that same disk, on that same PC as you wish.
The activation will go through with no problems, since the hardware is the
same. Hell, even that should be the allowance.

Another thing, I do beta testing (a good deal for MS also, i.e. SP2) on my
other partition, and if MS thinks that I should purchase another copy of
Windows to install on the same PC, where I actually use that secondary
install as a testing partition (for most part) to their benefit, they can
kiss my holiest of holies!!!!

Tom the EULA is more specific.

It states

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

Your second install to the computer breaches this in that you are allowed to
"install" (hence the explicit use of this work in the EULA) the product once
to a computer.

And yes if you are using retail or OEM media for your testing machine you
are required to purchase a second license for your additional install.

Mot happening Mike, and you can take this to court too! I will not pay for another copy to use on the same machine, especially when I specifically use the other instance for testing, nothing else! I also use this primarily for the benefit OF MS, and they are not paying me for helping them, and I certainly will *NOT* pay them to help them. I bet most of the MVPs here do the very same thing, even Alex Nichol states this is not good; it would prevent most who want to help from beta testing for MS if they had to take on that expense which would be beneficial for MS both for technical improvements (which saves them money from having to pay their own for these tests!!!!!) and profits.

Look, it is one thing to state "One PC' "One Disk" and I agree to that. But I will not, and truly feel that myself and other, should not, be forced to have to purchase the same type of OS to use on the very same PC. What purpose would that serve since *I can only use one bootup at one time anyway*, and that right there is enough to say it is unreasonable on your interpretation on the EULA.

Even Alex Nichol, one of the few MVPs here that I trust with his advice and opinions made such a stance, where he even challenged trusting your post's position on this particular point:

http://tinyurl.com/5epcw

Tom:
I have been told by Mike Brannigan (at one time) that installing two
instances the *same* copy of Windows on the *same* PC is a violation of the
EULA. I once had a the SAME OS installed (I have 320gigs of HDD total on two
drives) two times on the primary drive so my mate could do her adminstrative
uses on her install. He stated that I need to purchase another license or
full version to use on the same PC, that two instances are not allowed.

Alex:

""I don't entirely trust his posts as being the final position. There is
a clear distinction between installation on two machines which could be
in simultaneous use and two installations on the same one where that is
physically impossible. The wording of the EULA is capable of more than
one interpretation, and, as I have said to MS at a very high level,
that particular one seems perverse. In particular it would mean that it
became impossible to do Beta testing for them""
 
M

Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

Tom,

Alex is merely expressing an opinion I am telling you what the position of
the licensing team in Microsoft told me when I raised this very question
with them.
The EULA is correct, you may only install once to one PC. This is true of
multi boot scenarios as well as Virtual PC installs. The two scenarios both
require additional licenses.

If you are a heavy test user the you should look to volume licensing or an
MSDN subscription as a way of correcting your licensing shortfall.
Beta testers are required to provide there own hardware for testing as well
as be properly licensed. You are after all invited to Beta test or you
explicitly apply. You would not expect to be provided with free licenses
for a server operating system if you applied to test a server product such
as SQL or Exchange (?) anymore then you are supplied with additional
licenses for the OS if you feel the need to test on multiple machines or
multi instances on the same machines as multi boot or Virtual PCs.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
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Mike Brannigan said:
Do it, I do, and the EULA states that one copy per PC, or on a "Computer
System". Since it is on one physical running PC, you should have the right
to install as many instances of that same disk, on that same PC as you
wish.
The activation will go through with no problems, since the hardware is the
same. Hell, even that should be the allowance.

Another thing, I do beta testing (a good deal for MS also, i.e. SP2) on my
other partition, and if MS thinks that I should purchase another copy of
Windows to install on the same PC, where I actually use that secondary
install as a testing partition (for most part) to their benefit, they can
kiss my holiest of holies!!!!

Tom the EULA is more specific.

It states

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Microsoft grants you the following rights
provided that you comply with all terms and conditions of
this EULA:

* Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the Product on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device
("Workstation Computer").

Your second install to the computer breaches this in that you are allowed
to
"install" (hence the explicit use of this work in the EULA) the product
once
to a computer.

And yes if you are using retail or OEM media for your testing machine you
are required to purchase a second license for your additional install.

Mot happening Mike, and you can take this to court too! I will not pay for
another copy to use on the same machine, especially when I specifically use
the other instance for testing, nothing else! I also use this primarily for
the benefit OF MS, and they are not paying me for helping them, and I
certainly will *NOT* pay them to help them. I bet most of the MVPs here do
the very same thing, even Alex Nichol states this is not good; it would
prevent most who want to help from beta testing for MS if they had to take
on that expense which would be beneficial for MS both for technical
improvements (which saves them money from having to pay their own for these
tests!!!!!) and profits.

Look, it is one thing to state "One PC' "One Disk" and I agree to that. But
I will not, and truly feel that myself and other, should not, be forced to
have to purchase the same type of OS to use on the very same PC. What
purpose would that serve since *I can only use one bootup at one time
anyway*, and that right there is enough to say it is unreasonable on your
interpretation on the EULA.

Even Alex Nichol, one of the few MVPs here that I trust with his advice and
opinions made such a stance, where he even challenged trusting your post's
position on this particular point:

http://tinyurl.com/5epcw

Tom:
I have been told by Mike Brannigan (at one time) that installing two
instances the *same* copy of Windows on the *same* PC is a violation of
the
EULA. I once had a the SAME OS installed (I have 320gigs of HDD total on
two
drives) two times on the primary drive so my mate could do her
adminstrative
uses on her install. He stated that I need to purchase another license or
full version to use on the same PC, that two instances are not allowed.

Alex:

""I don't entirely trust his posts as being the final position. There is
a clear distinction between installation on two machines which could be
in simultaneous use and two installations on the same one where that is
physically impossible. The wording of the EULA is capable of more than
one interpretation, and, as I have said to MS at a very high level,
that particular one seems perverse. In particular it would mean that it
became impossible to do Beta testing for them""
 
K

kurttrail

Mike said:
Tom,

Alex is merely expressing an opinion I am telling you what the
position of the licensing team in Microsoft told me when I raised
this very question with them.

Which would be the licensing team's opinion, not a legal fact. MS's legal
team is not the law of the land.

"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use."

This IS a legal fact.

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http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
M

Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

kurttrail said:
Which would be the licensing team's opinion, not a legal fact. MS's legal
team is not the law of the land.

"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use."

This IS a legal fact.


Kurt the case you are citing is :-

US Supreme Court Case
"...Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios, Inc., 464 U.S. 417 (1984) -
Petitioner Sony Corp. manufactures home video tape recorders (VTRs), and
markets them through retail establishments, some of which are also
petitioners. Respondents own the copyrights on some of the television
programs that are broadcast on the public airwaves. Respondents brought an
action against petitioners in Federal District Court, alleging that VTR
consumers had been recording some of respondents' copy-righted works that
had been exhibited on commercially sponsored television and thereby
infringed respondents' copyrights, and further that petitioners were liable
for such copyright infringement because of their marketing of the VTRs. The
Supreme Court explained that any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work
for a "fair use"; the copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right
to such a use. The Court held that the recording accomplished by VTRs was
only time-shifting in nature and even though 100% of the copyrighted work
was copied, the use nonetheless constituted a fair use ..."

AND has nothing to do with software licensing or end user license agreements
for software products.


--

Regards,

Mike
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