TweakUI & Vista's restore points (Feedback, please)

M

MICHAEL

As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
BitLocker will protect Vista.

I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI
to hide Vista's partition. An MVP has this posted
on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?

I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.

Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.

Thanks guys.


-Michael
 
M

Michal Kawecki

TweakUI only add a new keys "Nodrives" or "NoViewOnDrive" under HKLM(or
HKCU)\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer in
system registry. It only prevent displaying/accessing selected letters
in Windows Explorer. Nothing more.
 
M

MICHAEL

Thanks, guys.


-Michael

Michal Kawecki said:
TweakUI only add a new keys "Nodrives" or "NoViewOnDrive" under HKLM(or
HKCU)\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer in system registry. It only
prevent displaying/accessing selected letters in Windows Explorer. Nothing more.
--
M. [Windows - Shell/User MVP]
/before private reply change px with pl in my e-mail address/

MICHAEL said:
As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
BitLocker will protect Vista.

I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition. An MVP has this
posted
on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?

I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.

Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.

Thanks guys.


-Michael
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K

kirk jim

some stupid MVP had that on his site...lol most mvps are smart as
vista... and you know how dumb vista is
 
P

Peter

I queried this with Microsoft a while back and they stated that it is just
possible that this problem will be dealt with in XP SP3. No promises
however.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

MICHAEL said:
Thanks, guys.


-Michael

Michal Kawecki said:
TweakUI only add a new keys "Nodrives" or "NoViewOnDrive" under HKLM(or
HKCU)\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer in
system registry. It only prevent displaying/accessing selected letters in
Windows Explorer. Nothing more.
--
M. [Windows - Shell/User MVP]
/before private reply change px with pl in my e-mail address/

MICHAEL said:
As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
BitLocker will protect Vista.

I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition.
An MVP has this posted
on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?

I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.

Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.

Thanks guys.


-Michael
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M

MICHAEL

John Barnett is one of the most helpful MVPs
that I know. It seems he has made a mistake,
we all do. More than likely, he saw this "fix" reported
on other sites and assumed that it actually worked
without testing it himself. Hopefully, he will correct his
site, soon.

Most MVPs are very helpful, *some* are extremely
arrogant and not very helpful at all. John is part of the
"most" category, he seems kind and dispenses help without
the disdain some MVPs show.

By the way, I happen to like Vista. There are some things
that I don't and some areas of progression that I don't agree
with, and at times, I can be very critical/outspoken.
But, for the most, I find Vista stable and in terms of performance
and security- a step in the right direction.


Take care,

Michael
 
M

MICHAEL

I have heard the same, and been told that by two
different Microsoft employees. Hopefully, it does
get fixed.


-Michael

Peter said:
I queried this with Microsoft a while back and they stated that it is just possible that this
problem will be dealt with in XP SP3. No promises however.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

MICHAEL said:
Thanks, guys.


-Michael

Michal Kawecki said:
TweakUI only add a new keys "Nodrives" or "NoViewOnDrive" under HKLM(or
HKCU)\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer in system registry. It
only prevent displaying/accessing selected letters in Windows Explorer. Nothing more.
--
M. [Windows - Shell/User MVP]
/before private reply change px with pl in my e-mail address/

As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
BitLocker will protect Vista.

I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition. An MVP has this
posted
on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?

I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.

Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.

Thanks guys.


-Michael
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K

kirk jim

Hey... I suspected that would not work right away...

as an mvp he shouldnt have fallen for that hide drive thing...

We all make mistakes.... if we did not we would not learn ...
 
P

Peter

Well it does kind of make a mockery of Vista's so-called "added security"
features when another, older system can wipe bits of it out.
Talking about bits, I tried the Bitlocker approach in my Vista...doesn't
work. Keeps insisting that there isn't enough drive space and there is
loads, believe me.
Probably the dual boot situation is just too much for it!!
Can't wait for Vista SP1 too.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

MICHAEL said:
I have heard the same, and been told that by two
different Microsoft employees. Hopefully, it does
get fixed.


-Michael

Peter said:
I queried this with Microsoft a while back and they stated that it is just
possible that this problem will be dealt with in XP SP3. No promises
however.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
XP Pro SP2 x 2 + Vista Ultimate
P4 HT @ 3.00ghz, 4.0gb RAM, 700gb HDD

MICHAEL said:
Thanks, guys.


-Michael

TweakUI only add a new keys "Nodrives" or "NoViewOnDrive" under HKLM(or
HKCU)\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer in
system registry. It only prevent displaying/accessing selected letters
in Windows Explorer. Nothing more.
--
M. [Windows - Shell/User MVP]
/before private reply change px with pl in my e-mail address/

As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
BitLocker will protect Vista.

I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's
partition. An MVP has this posted
on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?

I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.

Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.

Thanks guys.


-Michael
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J

jonah

As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
BitLocker will protect Vista.

I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI
to hide Vista's partition. An MVP has this posted
on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?

I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.

Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.

Thanks guys.


-Michael
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FWIW I have given up with Vista Restore Points and the New Backup
System,. I just use Acronis v10 which works just fine with Vista and
bypass the whole issue..

Jonah
 
R

Rock

MICHAEL said:
As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
BitLocker will protect Vista.

I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition.
An MVP has this posted
on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?

I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.

Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.
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I tried it, and didn't help. XP still deleted the Vista restore points.
All it does is remove the drive letter from Explorer, but the partition is
still accessible and other apps can see it. I think John should remove that
workaround from his otherwise excellent help site.

As to whether this will be changed in XP, during the TechBeta MS folks said
it was a costly change to make requiring extensive rewriting, so it wasn't
likely this would happen. That some folks are hearing otherwise lately is
good news, though I wouldn't count on it.
 
B

Bert Kinney

M

MICHAEL

Good info, Bert. Thank you.


-Michael

Bert Kinney said:
Hi Michael,

Bootit NG has the ability to hide more than one OS from each other.

BootIt Next Generation - Videos and Tutorials
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/examples.html

BootIt Next Generation - Help and Support
http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/support.html

TeraByte Unlimited - Outlook Express Setup - Product Support Newsgroup Forums
http://www.bootitng.com/oehelp.html

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org
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S

S Wayne

I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.

This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.

I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
be acceptable?

"The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
 
R

Rock

S Wayne said:
I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.

This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.

I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
be acceptable?

"The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
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There are ways around it. Criminally negligent? lol...right.
 
G

Gary VanderMolen

While beta testing Vista, we were repeatedly told by MS reps
that dual-booting was not a common scenario, and by implication
they wouldn't spend any time on it. That was also their reason
for turning down numerous requests for a GUI version of
BCDedit.

Gary VanderMolen
 
F

Frank

I have a dual boot with XP and Vista Ultimate 64 bit and I could not figure
out why I kept losing restore points until I read this thread. I tried
TweekUI in XP but that did not work for me. I also tried Bitlocker but it
said I don't have a TPM. I have no idea what that is. Is there a work
around?
 

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