Trying to get 3-way SLI to work

J

jbrandonbbx

I am a hobbyist and I'm trying to get 3-Way SLI to work. The short
summary is -- I had it post to BIOS once and boot into Windows Vista
for one second, and then blank screen. I then got into BIOS one more
time and changed boot priority to CD, because I want to re-install
Windows. Then, BIOS seemed to freeze after I pressed F10 to save and I
have not been able to get VGA again -- no post. I have tried a lot of
troubleshooting-- disconnecting various cables, etc. I have now tried
a different ATI VGA card and it does get to post either.

Here's what I have for equipment:

Enermax Revolution 85+ PSU
Asus P5N-T Deluxe Motherboard
2GB RAM DDR2 1066
Intel 6800 CPU
STA disk
SATA CD
Asus 285 boards (three)
The PSU has six PCI-E cables
Everything is firmly seated
Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Thermaltake Spedo case

Any idea son what to try next?

- JB
 
V

VanguardLH

I am a hobbyist and I'm trying to get 3-Way SLI to work. The short
summary is -- I had it post to BIOS once and boot into Windows Vista
for one second, and then blank screen. I then got into BIOS one more
time and changed boot priority to CD, because I want to re-install
Windows. Then, BIOS seemed to freeze after I pressed F10 to save and I
have not been able to get VGA again -- no post. I have tried a lot of
troubleshooting-- disconnecting various cables, etc. I have now tried
a different ATI VGA card and it does get to post either.

Here's what I have for equipment:

Enermax Revolution 85+ PSU
Asus P5N-T Deluxe Motherboard
2GB RAM DDR2 1066
Intel 6800 CPU
STA disk
SATA CD
Asus 285 boards (three)
The PSU has six PCI-E cables
Everything is firmly seated
Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Thermaltake Spedo case

Never bothered even to use dual SLI (i.e., with just 2 video cards). I
usually just spend the money on a better video card. Guess I don't play
those extreme games but then I'm not really interested in paying high
bucks for a gaming-only platform.

http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_learn.html

There's a link there for 3-way SLI. There might be some helpful info
there. Otherwise, ask in their SLI Community.

When using just one video card and still not being able to POST, I'd
suspect your build is faulty. Have you checked the CPU fan is spinning,
that the heatsink is firmly seated atop the CPU, remember to use thermal
paste, checked voltages on the output taps from the PSU, made sure there
was a load on the PSU other than the mobo, like attach a hard disk?
 
P

Paul

I am a hobbyist and I'm trying to get 3-Way SLI to work. The short
summary is -- I had it post to BIOS once and boot into Windows Vista
for one second, and then blank screen. I then got into BIOS one more
time and changed boot priority to CD, because I want to re-install
Windows. Then, BIOS seemed to freeze after I pressed F10 to save and I
have not been able to get VGA again -- no post. I have tried a lot of
troubleshooting-- disconnecting various cables, etc. I have now tried
a different ATI VGA card and it does get to post either.

Here's what I have for equipment:

Enermax Revolution 85+ PSU
Asus P5N-T Deluxe Motherboard
2GB RAM DDR2 1066
Intel 6800 CPU
STA disk
SATA CD
Asus 285 boards (three)
The PSU has six PCI-E cables
Everything is firmly seated
Thermaltake Big Typhoon
Thermaltake Spedo case

Any idea son what to try next?

- JB

There is an Nvidia newsgroup.

alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia

Nvidia has the slizone.com web site, and one thing they list,
is certified power supplies for various hardware configurations.
Three 285 boards lists two possible power supplies. A
Channelwell CWT1200VC, and a Thermaltake Toughpower W0133
(which could be about 1200 watts as well, not sure).

http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_build_psu.html

Now, if I use an Xbitlabs power number, the card weighs in
at 160.8W (depends on clock rate). Three of them would be
480W, or 12V @ 40A. The non-3D mode power would be much
lower, so it shouldn't be a power issue at startup.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/evga-geforce-gtx285ssc_5.html#sect0

There are at least three Enermax products with your product
name. I would have expected the 12V @ 70A total for the
"small one", would be enough.

Have you tried one card, then two cards, then three ?
What happens then ? Have you tried two-way SLI with
the two cards ? Then rotate out one of the cards, and
test with the third card, to see whether that works ?

The P5N-T doesn't have anything other than the 24 pin
"EATXPower" connector as a source of 12V slot power
for the three video cards. But fortunately, if you look
at the Xbitlabs detailed GIF for power, the slot only
draws 16.8W/12V = 1.4A. And 3 x 1.4A is only 4.2A, which
the two 12V wires on the main 24 pin power connector can
handle with ease. The majority of power flows via
the connectors on the end of the card. So the motherboard
distribution of power for your 285's, is minimal. In
fact, it is lower than running a couple 6600 cards.

Have you tried looking for any articles on tri-SLI ?
This is the first one I found. There might be some
more out there.

(Picture of hardware)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6605/3waysliug9.png

(Article)
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33910748

Paul
 
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Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k)

I am a hobbyist and I'm trying to get 3-Way SLI to work. The short
summary is -- I had it post to BIOS once and boot into Windows Vista
for one second, and then blank screen. I then got into BIOS one more
time and changed boot priority to CD, because I want to re-install
Windows. Then, BIOS seemed to freeze after I pressed F10 to save and I
have not been able to get VGA again -- no post. I have tried a lot of
troubleshooting-- disconnecting various cables, etc. I have now tried
a different ATI VGA card and it does get to post either.

I think only Vi$ta allows 3-way SLI ... (I read it from the manual of a
Asus motherboard).

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J

jbrandonbbx

Now, if I use an Xbitlabs power number, the card weighs in
at 160.8W (depends on clock rate). Three of them would be
480W, or 12V @ 40A. The non-3D mode power would be much
lower, so it shouldn't be a power issue at startup.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/evga-geforce-gtx285ssc...

There are at least three Enermax products with your product
name. I would have expected the 12V @ 70A total for the
"small one", would be enough.

It is the Revolution 85
Have you tried one card, then two cards, then three ?
What happens then ? Have you tried two-way SLI with
the two cards ? Then rotate out one of the cards, and
test with the third card, to see whether that works ?

I can't even get to post with one card now, and I tried with a
different one than the 285 (an ATI card).
 
J

jbrandonbbx

When using just one video card and still not being able to POST, I'd
suspect your build is faulty.  Have you checked the CPU fan is spinning,
that the heatsink is firmly seated atop the CPU, remember to use thermal
paste, checked voltages on the output taps from the PSU, made sure there
was a load on the PSU other than the mobo, like attach a hard disk?

CPU spins, heatsink is seated, what do you mean when you say check
taps?

I have tried every possible different connection -- with HDD, without
-- changed SATA ports, etc. It is now a personal challenge, if you get
my meaning. The machine is winning right now!
 
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Paul

It is the Revolution 85

I can't even get to post with one card now, and I tried with a
different one than the 285 (an ATI card).

If you cannot get to POST, your next steps would be

1) Beep tests. With no video present, the computer case
speaker should beep. A beep indicates BIOS code is
being executed. If the board won't beep, then
perhaps it isn't getting very far into the BIOS.
You can do the same beep style tests, by removing the RAM.

2) There should be a different beep pattern for missing
RAM, than for video. You can use that difference, to see
if a single stick of RAM is working or not. (I.e. Plug in
a single stick, then see if the "bad RAM" beep pattern changes
to "missing video". That tells you the RAM passed a
simple test in the BIOS.)

3) If there is still no joy, you can clear the CMOS, with
the power cord unplugged. Consult the manual for the
exact procedure. It should involve a jumper with a name
like CLRTC. If it works, and you were to get into the BIOS,
then the Real Time Clock would also get cleared to an
earlier default time of day.

4) Could the BIOS be corrupted ? It could, but it would be
hard to understand why. There have been boards with Nvidia
chipsets that were notorious for bricking. But in a quick
scan of the vip.asus.com forum, I don't see any sign of that.
This particular motherboard discussion group is mostly noise.
I couldn't see any pattern to what is going on.

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?elitepost=0&SLanguage=en-us&board_id=1&model=P5N-T Deluxe

The motherboard has a three year warranty. You could return it
under warranty. Then, go out and buy another motherboard, while
you're waiting. Where you go next, in terms of purchases, is the
big question. Does Nvidia have a trustworthy chipset ?

Some Nvidia chipsets have been known to blow PCI Express
slot interfaces. But I would have expected to still be able
to POST, assuming you can find an interface that works. I
use an old FX5200 PCI video card, when all else seems to be
failing. It's pretty hard to kill those.

When the repaired motherboard comes back, you can sell it,
or keep it as a spare (doorstop).

One of the problems with the new stuff, is finding enough
review articles to even get a grasp on what you're getting.
For example, this is a socket change to LGA1366, and
motherboard makers can get a license to run SLI on an
Intel X58 chipset. This particular board uses an Nforce 200.
I cannot find a block diagram, showing how it is connected.
The X58 can split into four x8 PCI Express 2.0 interfaces,
so I don't see where the big win is with the Nforce 200.
A block diagram would have made things clearer. PCI Express
lanes don't "multiply". The X58 only has 36 lanes total,
basically 16+16+4. If an Nforce 200 takes a 16 group, and
makes 16+16 from it, the bandwidth available is still limited
by the input, as 16 lanes. So while adding the Nforce 200
allows more slots to be wired up, it doesn't change the
grand total of 36 lanes on the Northbridge (and a few x1's
for motherboard peripherals on the Southbridge).

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=179&l3=815&l4=0&model=2697&modelmenu=1

"Multi-GPU Support

Supports NVIDIA 2-Way and 3-Way SLI techonology
Supports ATI CrossFireX technology, up to Quad CrossFireX

HTH,
Paul
 
V

VanguardLH

CPU spins, heatsink is seated, what do you mean when you say check
taps?

Get a digital multimeter and measure the voltages at the taps (the
connectors on the wire harness ends from the PSU).
I have tried every possible different connection -- with HDD, without
-- changed SATA ports, etc. It is now a personal challenge, if you get
my meaning. The machine is winning right now!

Did you check you weren't off by a pin for the 20-pin connector from the
PSU to the mobo?

Change the CMOS battery yet? Some mobos won't boot with a dead or
missing battery.

Have you shorted the 2-pin mobo header to clear CMOS, waiting 10
seconds, removed it, and rebooted?
 
J

jbrandonbbx

Thanks again for helping.
Did you check you weren't off by a pin for the 20-pin connector from the
PSU to the mobo?

It is connected right...
Change the CMOS battery yet?  Some mobos won't boot with a dead or
missing battery.

Tried that just now, no luck.
Have you shorted the 2-pin mobo header to clear CMOS, waiting 10
seconds, removed it, and rebooted?

Tried that as well. There is no post at all to video. I tried a
different monitor as well...
 
J

jbrandonbbx

1) Beep tests. With no video present, the computer case
    speaker should beep. A beep indicates BIOS code is>
2) There should be a different beep pattern for missing
    RAM, than for video. You can use that difference, to see

Annoyingly, this Thermaltake Spedo case does not have a case speaker
audio connector, just regular audio. Any workarounds so I can hear
beeps? But I have tried a few different DDR2 RAM configs (800, etc.).
3) If there is still no joy, you can clear the CMOS, with
    the power cord unplugged. Consult the manual for the

Tried that just now, no luck.
4) Could the BIOS be corrupted ? It could, but it would be

Is there a way to fix corrupted BIOS other than CMOS fox?
Some Nvidia chipsets have been known to blow PCI Express
slot interfaces. But I would have expected to still be able

That's what I have figured -- no post ultimately leads to a bad
motherboard right? But why would it start up like it was going to work
fine twice (and then crash)? It never got beyond the start-up screen
in Win setup.
One of the problems with the new stuff, is finding enough
review articles to even get a grasp on what you're getting.

I agree, I am not seeing much guidance for 3-way...
 
J

jbrandonbbx

Get a digital multimeter and measure the voltages at the taps (the
connectors on the wire harness ends from the PSU).
I tried a different PSU and no luck...
 
J

jbrandonbbx

If you cannot get to POST

Would the PC act this way if there was something wrong with the CPU? I
re-seated it and it looks fine. I have never had a bad CPU in 8 years
of doing this. I can try a different CPU if you think it would be
worth it. I have a 6800 in there now -- it should work right? I have a
9650 I can try. The 6800 was from an older PC and may have even sat
outside in my garage in the cold. I can't imagine that would make a
difference though.

I just realized something really dumb. The very first time I booted, I
may not have had the 3-way crossbeam connector -- the one that sits on
top of the three cards -- inserted. Could that have fried the
motherboard though? And the only times I have fried motherboards is
when they went completely dead, no CPU fans or anything. (Or, they
were DOA.) I have not had a dead motherboard that seemed to work but
would not go to post.

I'm grasping at straws here a bit because it is getting really
annoying...
 
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Paul

Would the PC act this way if there was something wrong with the CPU? I
re-seated it and it looks fine. I have never had a bad CPU in 8 years
of doing this. I can try a different CPU if you think it would be
worth it. I have a 6800 in there now -- it should work right? I have a
9650 I can try. The 6800 was from an older PC and may have even sat
outside in my garage in the cold. I can't imagine that would make a
difference though.

I just realized something really dumb. The very first time I booted, I
may not have had the 3-way crossbeam connector -- the one that sits on
top of the three cards -- inserted. Could that have fried the
motherboard though? And the only times I have fried motherboards is
when they went completely dead, no CPU fans or anything. (Or, they
were DOA.) I have not had a dead motherboard that seemed to work but
would not go to post.

I'm grasping at straws here a bit because it is getting really
annoying...

I would not suspect the CPU. I probably wouldn't even have
removed it from the socket myself, except at the step where
I was changing motherboards. The thing is, sockets seem to be
very reliable, and I cannot remember too many instances of
where a clean socket, caused problems.

The SLI bridge thing, is not an essential component. For
example, if you were building a computer to drive six
monitors, using three video cards, you wouldn't have
needed the bridge. So I don't think that is what did it.
That cabling carries data, and the data would only be
essential at the point you switched to SLI mode. And if
it was missing, the software would likely return to non-SLI
mode or whatever. The bridge shouldn't be critical, in the
sense of damaging something.

Power is an obvious weak spot in computers, and many
problems have been traced back to a power supply issue.

There are also certainly enough premature motherboard
failures (within the warranty period), for that to be
a possibility.

To get a speaker, you could always remove a speaker
from another computer case. It would have a two wire
cable, and a 1x4 connector on the end. Or if you're
really desperate, go to a computer recycler in your
area, and buy a complete case, and strip the speaker
out of that. There should be a 1x4 connector on the
end. Depending on the pin spacing needed, sometimes you
have to move one of the pins, into another of the
available holes, to get the span right. (Not all motherboards
use the same spacing for PANEL header functions.)

Another debugging device, is a PCI Port 80 debug card.
These give you a two digit hexadecimal display. If the
display stays at 0x00 or 0xFF, then that might indicate
that the CPU is not able to execute BIOS code for some
reason. But if any other codes are displayed, one of
the problems is looking up the codes. The codes shown
using this method are "progress codes" and not "error codes".
They basically indicate what part of the POST code is
currently running. To work, the debug card goes in the
PCI slot nearest the processor. The BIOS code writes
to I/O Port 80 at regular intervals, during the various
stages of POST.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158065

Some of the Nvidia contract manufactured motherboards,
actually have the two digit hex display built into the
motherboard. Asus doesn't go for stuff like that.
EVGA is an example of a company that sells Nvidia contract
motherboards, so you can find examples of boards there
that have the Port 80 display available to the user.

Have you been connecting the PCI Express Aux power connectors,
to the ends of each card ? Did you have to think about
which power cable to use on which card, due to the
30A limit on each 12V rail of your supply ? In any case,
if you're only using one video card at the moment,
that shouldn't be a problem. You could run one video
card off the same 12V rail cables, without a problem,
and it should start.

I haven't seen anything in what you've described so far,
that looks like user error.

Is the processor power cable plugged in at the moment ?
You have an EATX12V power connector, a 2x4. You can connect
a 2x2 connector from the power supply to that. With two
yellow and two black wires. The motherboard may have
come with a label, to cover the other two holes.
Be careful, if you decide to connect a 2x4 connector,
since there are several variations on the 2x4 connector.
I think someone even tried to plug a PCI Express
connector into that hole once. So verify what you've done
there, and switch to a 2x2 with two yellow and two black
wires as a test.

If you run out of ideas, perhaps a local shop can test
the motherboard for you. (They'll stick in their own
CPU and video card say, as a test.)

Paul
 
J

jbrandonbbx

I would not suspect the CPU. I probably wouldn't even have
removed it from the socket myself, except at the step where
I was changing motherboards. The thing is, sockets seem to be
very reliable, and I cannot remember too many instances of
where a clean socket, caused problems.

The SLI bridge thing, is not an essential component. For
example, if you were building a computer to drive six
monitors, using three video cards, you wouldn't have
needed the bridge. So I don't think that is what did it.
That cabling carries data, and the data would only be
essential at the point you switched to SLI mode. And if
it was missing, the software would likely return to non-SLI
mode or whatever. The bridge shouldn't be critical, in the
sense of damaging something.
Okay

Power is an obvious weak spot in computers, and many
problems have been traced back to a power supply issue.

I tried a second PSU, no luck.
There are also certainly enough premature motherboard
failures (within the warranty period), for that to be
a possibility.

To get a speaker, you could always remove a speaker
from another computer case. It would have a two wire
cable, and a 1x4 connector on the end. Or if you're
really desperate, go to a computer recycler in your
area, and buy a complete case, and strip the speaker
out of that. There should be a 1x4 connector on the
end. Depending on the pin spacing needed, sometimes you
have to move one of the pins, into another of the
available holes, to get the span right. (Not all motherboards
use the same spacing for PANEL header functions.)

I sort of avoided that route because I am not getting anything at all,
no video. I am also not getting any lights on the keyboard at all. I
tried refreshing CMOS, nothing there. Asus told me to reset CMOS, try
one card, etc.
Another debugging device, is a PCI Port 80 debug card.
These give you a two digit hexadecimal display. If the
display stays at 0x00 or 0xFF, then that might indicate
that the CPU is not able to execute BIOS code for some
reason. But if any other codes are displayed, one of
the problems is looking up the codes. The codes shown
using this method are "progress codes" and not "error codes".
They basically indicate what part of the POST code is
currently running. To work, the debug card goes in the
PCI slot nearest the processor. The BIOS code writes
to I/O Port 80 at regular intervals, during the various
stages of POST.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158065

Some of the Nvidia contract manufactured motherboards,
actually have the two digit hex display built into the
motherboard. Asus doesn't go for stuff like that.
EVGA is an example of a company that sells Nvidia contract
motherboards, so you can find examples of boards there
that have the Port 80 display available to the user.

Have you been connecting the PCI Express Aux power connectors,
to the ends of each card ?

Yes

Did you have to think about
which power cable to use on which card, due to the
30A limit on each 12V rail of your supply ? In any case,
if you're only using one video card at the moment,
that shouldn't be a problem. You could run one video
card off the same 12V rail cables, without a problem,
and it should start.

This Enermax PSU has six PCI-E connectors.
Is the processor power cable plugged in at the moment ?
Yes

You have an EATX12V power connector, a 2x4. You can connect
a 2x2 connector from the power supply to that. With two
yellow and two black wires. The motherboard may have
come with a label, to cover the other two holes.
Be careful, if you decide to connect a 2x4 connector,
since there are several variations on the 2x4 connector.
I think someone even tried to plug a PCI Express
connector into that hole once. So verify what you've done
there, and switch to a 2x2 with two yellow and two black
wires as a test.

I have tried the four plug and two two plugs and no difference.
If you run out of ideas, perhaps a local shop can test
the motherboard for you. (They'll stick in their own
CPU and video card say, as a test.)

I have swapped out with another CPU, nothing.

Asus says the RAM is finicky but I tried an 800 chip in 1A and no
luck.

It's just not acting like a DOA motherboard though. CPU fan spins, the
hard disk spins.

Stumped.
 
J

jbrandonbbx

By the way, the CPU is fine. I tested a different motherboard (eh, one
that does not do 3-way SLI) and it works with *all of the same
equipment, PSU, RAM, etc.
 
P

Paul

By the way, the CPU is fine. I tested a different motherboard (eh, one
that does not do 3-way SLI) and it works with *all of the same
equipment, PSU, RAM, etc.

The "beep" code and the speaker, are an additional test you can try.
Not getting video is not the end of the story. The motherboard
could be sending a beep pattern, and you wouldn't know it.
Dig up a speaker from somewhere. With no RAM, you get the RAM
error beep code. With the RAM installed, you should get the
video beep pattern. Finally, if a working video solution is installed,
the motherboard no longer has to beep, because it can then write
an error on the screen. If none of the tests give a beep, then
the CPU is not able to execute the BIOS.

This is a portable piezoelectric speaker. It might be
something a tech uses for motherboard testing.

http://www.clearpc.ca/catalog/images/speaker.JPG

The specs on the speaker in my current computer are

8 ohm 0.25 watt

You can even use an ordinary speaker from discarded
audio equipment, in a pinch. I have some old 6 x 9
speakers in the junk pile, that I could use. (Be careful
when wiring it up - remember that some motherboards
use raw +5V on one of the two SPKR pins on the PANEL
header, which is a safety hazard if it shorts to an
adjacent ground. Especially with your monster power
supply.)

If you had a PCI video card, like my old FX5200 PCI, you could
also be using that, as a means of avoiding PCI Express slots
entirely. I bought one similar to this, when I needed to flash
the video BIOS on an AGP card, and needed a display to use
while doing so.

$35.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130188

Paul
 
J

jbrandonbbx

The "beep" code and the speaker, are an additional test you can try.
Not getting video is not the end of the story. The motherboard
could be sending a beep pattern, and you wouldn't know it.
Dig up a speaker from somewhere. With no RAM, you get the RAM
error beep code. With the RAM installed, you should get the
video beep pattern. Finally, if a working video solution is installed,
the motherboard no longer has to beep, because it can then write
an error on the screen. If none of the tests give a beep, then
the CPU is not able to execute the BIOS.

This is a portable piezoelectric speaker. It might be
something a tech uses for motherboard testing.

http://www.clearpc.ca/catalog/images/speaker.JPG

The specs on the speaker in my current computer are

    8 ohm 0.25 watt

You can even use an ordinary speaker from discarded
audio equipment, in a pinch. I have some old 6 x 9
speakers in the junk pile, that I could use. (Be careful
when wiring it up - remember that some motherboards
use raw +5V on one of the two SPKR pins on the PANEL
header, which is a safety hazard if it shorts to an
adjacent ground. Especially with your monster power
supply.)

If you had a PCI video card, like my old FX5200 PCI, you could
also be using that, as a means of avoiding PCI Express slots
entirely. I bought one similar to this, when I needed to flash
the video BIOS on an AGP card, and needed a display to use
while doing so.

$35.00http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130188

    Paul

If anyone wants to know how this turned out, it was some thermal
grease that had seeped into the socket.
 

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