trying to build PC...Intel MB

[Mike]

I am trying to build my second PC and I have problems. I am using the
Intel MB model D865GBF.This Mb has the video and sound cards built in
and I am using a 2.6 GB Celeron processor.

I assembled the computer and it was dead except for the cooling fans
and the light on the Floppy was lit. Otherwise dead. I called Intel
and they had me disconnect everything except the power cable plug (20
Pins) to the MB and a 12 volt supply plug (4 pins) Of course, they had
me connect the processor fan to the MB. They said I should get (3)
beeps when power was applied. I didn't get the 3 beeps when power was
supplied but the processor fan was spinning. They told me either the
power supply was bad, the processor was bad or the MB was bad.

So I called Tiger Direct (I bought everything from them) and they said
they would guess it was the MB so they sent me a new one. It arrived
today and I hooked it up and it was completely dead...not even the fan
worked....I hooked the original board back up and the fan was still
working.

So Tiger Direct is sending me the third MB and a new processor as
well.

I would like to get this computer built before it is totally obsolete.
Does anyone have any experience with Intel MB's or can make any
suggestions about what else I might try that perhaps was missed by
Intel.

Thanks,

Mike

 

[JAD]

never had that much of a problem ever with Intel MB's. I would think its the CPU. They should have sent you a complete rig as you
ordered again and you send that sack of crap back.

 

[w_tom]

Now do what any computer builder first does to solve
problems. Collect facts. Two tools necessary for any
computer work - a screwdriver and a 3.5 digit multimeter.
Multimeter is that important. With only power supply,
motherboard, and power switch; plug in power supply and
measure for voltage on violet wire from power supply to
motherboard. This must be +5 volts. Then measure green
wire. Before power switch is pressed, voltage must be greater
than 2.4 volts. After power switch is pressed, green wire
voltage drops to near zero. Then measure other voltages,
especially orange, yellow, and red wire - as defined in chart
at:
http://www.hardwaresite.net/faqpowersupply.html

Actions are performed only in response to valid data. This
is how valid data is first collected. This established what
is good. Should everything above measure correctly, then you
know that power switch, power supply controller on
motherboard, and power supply is functional. Then you are
ready to move on to the next analysis.

Don't do something foolish like first blame something - then
replace it. That is called shotgunning - what the untrained
do.

 

[Strontium]

I had a similar experience, with this motherboard (minus the exchanges). I
found that after hooking everything up, no power...nada, zip, zilch. The
thing powered up, fine, when I hooked everything up outside of the
case...yet, I was sure that the motherboard was not grounding out on the
case. In the end, I pulled all power connectors (as you were instructed)
from everything except CPU, mainboard, etc. Got power. Then, added each
power connector one-by-one (powering up to verify each time), until all was
connected.

Try removing the PSU from the case and setting it on something insulated
(book, wood, etc...). I found a very quirky thing, with this motherboard.
If I pulled the PSU outside of the case...VOILA! power...POST...etc.....

I can't give a very scientific answer to how I solved mine. To be honest,
it baffled the Hell out of me. Best course of action: Unplug everything.
Make sure motherboard is not grounding out, on case. Remove CMOS battery,
for at least 30min. Also, turn PSU switch off at the back of the unit,
unplug it, plug it back in (after attaching to mainboard, 12v connector, and
one hard drive)...

I think the switch, on the back of the PSU, is significant due to unrelated
issues I was having with my Radeon 9700np. I find that if I remove the
plug, without switching the PSU switch off (pulling cards, changing memory,
etc...) and then plug back in....I get no video signal. Yet, if I turn the
switch off...pull plug...do my work...put plug back in...turn switch
'on'...it works fine. A buddy of mine offered an opinion that the Intel
boards have some sort of memory regarding what is connected etc...not sure I
buy it.

Good luck. Next board for me, will not be Intel. Not enough CMOS options,
for me.

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Mike stood up at show-n-tell, in (e-mail address removed),
and said:

 

[JAD]

ever had that board, that if you didn't have the open memory slot clamps closed, the thing wouldn't boot?, can't recall which board
that was anymore, but that was a doosey, as yours was.

 

[Chaz]

I would like to get this computer built before it is totally obsolete.
Does anyone have any experience with Intel MB's or can make any
suggestions about what else I might try that perhaps was missed by
Intel.

Don't listen to the rant about the power supply. Whoever wrote it is
an obvious idiot. (It would take a logic analyzer and a shitload of
patience to correctly identify any generic computer fault - of which
the power supply is one possible occurance).

Now that said, it may be the power supply. <g> The practical way to figure
these things out as a consumer is to have a parts bin and swap items
out until you indentify the fault by a process of elimination.

Novice builders don't have that luxury. Well, not unless you're building
two computers at the same time. Hang in there and keep waiting for RMAs.

I've heard mixed reviews of Tiger Direct. Did everything come in
sealed boxes? Intel retail ships tamper proof boxes. Where the taped
tabs already lifted? If so, return all the stuff, call your credit card
company, and charge back the order on the basis of fraud. Buy it all
through newegg instead.

 

[Strontium]

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Chaz stood up at show-n-tell, in [email protected], and said:

Don't listen to the rant about the power supply. Whoever wrote it is
an obvious idiot.

What 'rant' about 'what' power supply? I didn't see one.

Idiots read things, that aren't there....

 

[Nick Le Lievre]

I am trying to build my second PC and I have problems. I am using the
Intel MB model D865GBF.This Mb has the video and sound cards built in
and I am using a 2.6 GB Celeron processor.

I assembled the computer and it was dead except for the cooling fans
and the light on the Floppy was lit. Otherwise dead. I called Intel
and they had me disconnect everything except the power cable plug (20
Pins) to the MB and a 12 volt supply plug (4 pins) Of course, they had
me connect the processor fan to the MB. They said I should get (3)
beeps when power was applied. I didn't get the 3 beeps when power was
supplied but the processor fan was spinning. They told me either the
power supply was bad, the processor was bad or the MB was bad.

Collect facts;

Floppy was Lit
PSU is supplying power to the motherboard
Power switch is correctly connected to motherboard
Floppy cable is connected wrong way round (this is not preventing the system
from starting but needs to be corrected anyway)

Check;

CPU is firmly seated in the socket worth taking out and making sure it is
(sometimes you can even close the zif socket with the cpu mounted at a
slight angle)
Memory is correctly seated in the memory slots (check and if you have 2 or
more sticks try each one on its own)
The CPU Fan is connected to the correct FAN header on the motherboard

 

[Gary W. Swearingen]

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Chaz stood up at show-n-tell, in [email protected], and said:

What 'rant' about 'what' power supply? I didn't see one.

The one from w_tom, no doubt. Chaz is not the first to misjudge
w_tom. And here I was, thinking that w_tom's reply was great and had
good advice for a novice -- one of the best I've seen of his.

Idiots read things, that aren't there....

And they're great entertainment. Some really do need to get a logic
analyzer to check out a power supply, if you know what I mean. Let's
just hope that newbies are not foolish enough to believe everything
they read.

 

[Chaz]

And they're great entertainment. Some really do need to get a logic
analyzer to check out a power supply, if you know what I mean. Let's
just hope that newbies are not foolish enough to believe everything
they read.

Hey Gary -

While you're playing with the voltmeter, normal intelligent folk
will have solved the problem by trying another part. How often do
you think the power rails are a problem exactly? What about the
other core parts, like memory, bent traces, cpu seated?

Efficiency versus psuedo-intellectualism.

Hope this helps you in life.

Chaz

 

[w_tom]

Mike. A type of person that also runs up your automobile
repair bill. He keeps replacing things until something works
- then charges you for all the new parts. He fears to learn.
And then he must attack the messenger.

Before he could even get mounting screws out of the power
supply, the multimeter has reported whether a supply is or is
not a problem. Because he fears to learn, he must disparage
others. Notice the personal attack - and not one technical
fact. Use the multimeter. Become mentally proficient and
solve problems quicker.

Learn. Gary W Swearingen did not. He foolishly thinks a
$4000 logic analyzer is going to identify a power supply
problem. He also posts only to mock. Not to provide useful
information. But then some computer expects don't even know
how electricity works let alone know how to operate a $25
multimeter. Get the multimeter. People like Chaz would have
you waste time and money wildly replacing things by the scam
repair method of shotgunning. No wonder they don't even know
why things can fail, therefore would promote urban myths, and
must attack other posters.

 

[Strontium]

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Gary W. Swearingen stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:

The one from w_tom, no doubt. Chaz is not the first to misjudge
w_tom. And here I was, thinking that w_tom's reply was great and had
good advice for a novice -- one of the best I've seen of his.

Ahhh, no wonder. I've had his trash filtered, for so long, I'd forgotten he
existed.

 

[Chaz]

Mike. A type of person that also runs up your automobile
repair bill. He keeps replacing things until something works
- then charges you for all the new parts. He fears to learn.
And then he must attack the messenger.

Oh the ever popular computer-car analogy, you have shed light on
stupidity once again slayer of English and abuser of cliches.

Okay, let's take this analogy one step further so I can school you.

How many diagnostic tools does the average can owner have? Let
me think. A battery charger perhaps? Certainly not a tire balancer,
rotor lathe, chip analyzer, battery tester, electronics diagnostic
center, etc etc etc. The average car owner has none of these.

If the car owner is working on his own car, then the best thing to
do is to start eliminating problems by trial and error. The next
best thing is to contact the manufacturer. (Apparently usenet is
a wash)

The original poster has wisely contacted the manufactuer. Pray tell
illiterate fool named Tom, what was Intel's answer??

The community colleges really aren't working well. Denizens of the
masses, such as yourself, are just as stupid entering as you are
popping out.

Before he could even get mounting screws out of the power
supply, the multimeter has reported whether a supply is or is
not a problem. Because he fears to learn, he must disparage
others. Notice the personal attack - and not one technical
fact. Use the multimeter. Become mentally proficient and
solve problems quicker.

Nothing to learn here except usenet has bigger idiots than I first
imagined.

Learn. Gary W Swearingen did not. He foolishly thinks a
$4000 logic analyzer is going to identify a power supply
problem. He also posts only to mock. Not to provide useful
information. But then some computer expects don't even know
how electricity works let alone know how to operate a $25
multimeter. Get the multimeter. People like Chaz would have
you waste time and money wildly replacing things by the scam
repair method of shotgunning. No wonder they don't even know
why things can fail, therefore would promote urban myths, and
must attack other posters.

You got the wrong poster ya idiot. Gary is your predecessor and
was the most stupid troll on usenet until you came along.

Hope this helps you through life.

Chaz

 

[JAD]

yes strony the only person you don't 'killfile' is yourself.....lord its hard to be humble when your perfect in everyway eh?

 

[JAD]

Chaz,

Your use of the usenet has shown that there are seriously disturbed folks everywhere. The intense post about the PSU was and usually
is toooo long and full of rhetoric. Toms lack of diplomacy doesn't take away from the fact that, in order to do things right, one
must have some tools to do so. Replacing part after part seems to be your way, and I would like to give you this old P1 and with
your way, please fix it, AND leave all the parts that WEREN't broke in the machine please.

 

[Strontium]

Oh stfu, dumbass...learn to trim too, ****face.

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JAD stood up at show-n-tell, in
[email protected], and said:

yes strony the only person you don't 'killfile' is
yourself.....lord its hard to be humble when your perfect in everyway
eh?

<snip>

 

[Nick Le Lievre]

Chaz,

Your use of the usenet has shown that there are seriously disturbed folks

everywhere. The intense post about the PSU was and usually

is toooo long and full of rhetoric. Toms lack of diplomacy doesn't take

away from the fact that, in order to do things right, one

must have some tools to do so. Replacing part after part seems to be your

way, and I would like to give you this old P1 and with

your way, please fix it, AND leave all the parts that WEREN't broke in the machine please.

So what your saying is everytime something in a PC is faulty it`ll show up
on a multimeter - ah right. Now I understand the importance... I hand you
two memory sticks post of them POST in the board but one is faulty - I
challenge you to discover which one with a multimeter.

 

[Nick Le Lievre]

Chaz,

Your use of the usenet has shown that there are seriously disturbed folks

everywhere. The intense post about the PSU was and usually

is toooo long and full of rhetoric. Toms lack of diplomacy doesn't take

away from the fact that, in order to do things right, one

must have some tools to do so. Replacing part after part seems to be your

way, and I would like to give you this old P1 and with

your way, please fix it, AND leave all the parts that WEREN't broke in the machine please.

So what your saying is everytime something in a PC is faulty it`ll show up
on a multimeter - ah right. Now I understand the importance... I hand you
two memory sticks both of them POST in the board but one is faulty - I
challenge you to discover which one with a multimeter.

 

[Dave Hull]

Your use of the usenet has shown that there are seriously disturbed
folks

everywhere. The intense post about the PSU was and usually
away from the fact that, in order to do things right, one your
way, and I would like to give you this old P1 and with the
machine please.

So what your saying is everytime something in a PC is faulty it`ll show up
on a multimeter - ah right. Now I understand the importance... I hand you
two memory sticks post of them POST in the board but one is faulty - I
challenge you to discover which one with a multimeter.

Nice mischaracterization.

Dave

 

[JAD]

I luv the words that you all invent to put in peoples mouths.... never said anything about a multimeter (TOOLSSSSSS)....you must be
great in a debate.