Truly Pathetic

[Leythos]

One caveat I experienced had to so with setting up a dual boot with Win2K on
this box with FC3. The HDD selections are confusing (worse than previous
releases of RH Linux, IMO). My un-elegant solution was to temporarily
disconnect the Win2K HDD, set the other Linux-to-be drive as Pri/Master,
install FC3 to that drive (just to make sure it worked ok), reconnect the
Win2K drive as Pri/Master and the Linux drive as Sec/Master, then
re-install FC3 and select "replace all Linux partitions". There's gotta be
a better way to setup a dual boot with Win/FC3 (I've had a lot less
problems setting up dual-boot with other Linux distros and Windows 2K/XP,
so it's not like I've never done it and have no clue) but this works, so
I'm happy. For a single OS installation though, FC3 worked just fine, took
a couple of hours max to install everything, I always select the Everything
button you never know what you might wanna play with. Based on my
limited experience with FC3 I'm with you and I would definitely recommend
it as a possible alternative OS to Windows.

Steve - sorry I didn't see this before. I am not a fan of multi-boot
installs, never have found a need for it. I'm lucky in that I've always
had enough computers or spare drives on hand to do single OS installs for
everything I test/run.

I have a Single P3/833/256/generic video Dell Dimension running FC3, but I
also tried a number of machines from P2's to Dual Xeons on a PC-DL Deluxe
motherboard and found no problems as long as I didn't need the IDE/SATA
RAID on those systems. RAID is still something that is best done on the
controller without needing OS support, but those were test systems anyway.

I didn't select everything, but since I'm trying to also find a small
server for 10~50 users, I installed the mail server and Apache server
services. Now if I could only learn enough to setup the mail, Exchange
2000 and 2003 are a piece of case compared to the Linux variants I've
never used before (key part being 'never used before').

My biggest problem has been getting the FC3 workstations to fully access
to Windows 2003 server shares to where the FC3 user can open/close files -
I'm just getting errors when I double click on them. It shows the share,
the files, but always generates and error when I double click the files.
I'll get it this week, but it's been a pain

Have a great evening.

 

[Gordon]

Roger Wilco wrote:
<snip>
|| Don't 'cha jus luv bottom posts?

Especially when you repost such a long thread just to write that inanity.
Wanker.

 

[Gordon]

Ad wrote:
|| Gordon wrote:
||
|||
|||| We will see, but I do not think we will be seeing a computer with
|||| Linux installed on sale at our local P.C world ( a chain store
|||| selling computers in the U.K)
|||
|||
||| They don't sell computers - they sell extended warranties with a
||| free computer thrown in!
|||
||
|| Very true, but at least now, people can see what they are getting.
||
|| I woould never buy a computer from a computer store anyway, I prefer
|| to build my own. Ah, one flaw there, if I got a Mac, then I woul
|| dnot be able to build it.

I have to say I HAVE bought stuff from PC world. It's OK if you go in and
TELL the staff what you want. If Joe Public go in without knowing what they
are looking for, that's when the "salesmen" get going!

 

[Ad]

I have to say I HAVE bought stuff from PC world. It's OK if you go in and
TELL the staff what you want. If Joe Public go in without knowing what they
are looking for, that's when the "salesmen" get going!

I have never got a computer from them, I went with my neighbour because
they wanted one, but I do not think the slaes man liked me a lot and
would have prefered it if I was not there.
In the end we choose a P.c worlds own make machine, it offered more than
any of the other machines, that was about 3 years back now and to be
honest the computer is still working well, but could do with some more
memory.

I do buy things now and again if it works out cheaper than mail order,
but they are normaly so over priced in P.C world.

 

[Gordon]

Ad wrote:
|| Gordon wrote:
||
||| I have to say I HAVE bought stuff from PC world. It's OK if you go
||| in and TELL the staff what you want. If Joe Public go in without
||| knowing what they are looking for, that's when the "salesmen" get
||| going!
|||
||
|| I have never got a computer from them, I went with my neighbour
|| because they wanted one, but I do not think the slaes man liked me a
|| lot and would have prefered it if I was not there.
|| In the end we choose a P.c worlds own make machine, it offered more
|| than any of the other machines, that was about 3 years back now and
|| to be honest the computer is still working well, but could do with
|| some more memory.
||
|| I do buy things now and again if it works out cheaper than mail
|| order, but they are normaly so over priced in P.C world.

My daughter and her boyfriend are using an Advent machine that we bought
from PC World back in 1998 I think. Still going strong, the only thing ever
to go wrong has been the CDRW drive. And yes I agree with you about the
pricing - I use Ebuyer now and find them excellent.

 

[Steve N.]

Roger Wilco wrote:
<snip>
|| Don't 'cha jus luv bottom posts?

Especially when you repost such a long thread just to write that inanity.
Wanker.

I've been posting to usenet for more years than I can remember and it
USED to be the accepted norm to bottom post AND to quote what you
replied to in etirety. It's only newsreader-wannabe programs like OE
that default to top posting, every actual newsreader I've ever used the
default is to bottom post. Besides that you don't have to read any of it
in the first place. What about anything I wrote was innane? What have
you got to contribute? Obviously nothing.

Do yourself and us all a favor and don't post anything until you have
something worthwhile to say.

Steve

 

[Gordon]

Steve N. wrote:
|| Gordon wrote:
||| Roger Wilco wrote:
||| <snip>
||||| Don't 'cha jus luv bottom posts?
|||
||| Especially when you repost such a long thread just to write that
||| inanity. Wanker.
|||
|||
||
|| I've been posting to usenet for more years than I can remember and it
|| USED to be the accepted norm to bottom post AND to quote what you
|| replied to in etirety. It's only newsreader-wannabe programs like OE
|| that default to top posting, every actual newsreader I've ever used
|| the default is to bottom post. Besides that you don't have to read
|| any of it in the first place. What about anything I wrote was
|| innane? What have you got to contribute? Obviously nothing.
||
|| Do yourself and us all a favor and don't post anything until you have
|| something worthwhile to say.
||
|| Steve

Are you "Roger Wilco"? If not then f**k off.

 

[Gordon]

Steve N. wrote:
||
|| Do yourself and us all a favor and don't post anything until you have
|| something worthwhile to say.

So telling someone that they are a wanker for reposting MANY lines with a
one-line addendum which is TOTALLY irrelevant is not worthwhile? how LONG
have you been on Usenet? Perhaps you need a good break, like about ten
years......

 

[Steve N.]

Steve - sorry I didn't see this before. I am not a fan of multi-boot
installs, never have found a need for it. I'm lucky in that I've always
had enough computers or spare drives on hand to do single OS installs for
everything I test/run.

I have a Single P3/833/256/generic video Dell Dimension running FC3, but I
also tried a number of machines from P2's to Dual Xeons on a PC-DL Deluxe
motherboard and found no problems as long as I didn't need the IDE/SATA
RAID on those systems. RAID is still something that is best done on the
controller without needing OS support, but those were test systems anyway.

I didn't select everything, but since I'm trying to also find a small
server for 10~50 users, I installed the mail server and Apache server
services. Now if I could only learn enough to setup the mail, Exchange
2000 and 2003 are a piece of case compared to the Linux variants I've
never used before (key part being 'never used before').

My biggest problem has been getting the FC3 workstations to fully access
to Windows 2003 server shares to where the FC3 user can open/close files -
I'm just getting errors when I double click on them. It shows the share,
the files, but always generates and error when I double click the files.
I'll get it this week, but it's been a pain

Have a great evening.

I haven't tried setting up SMB shares yet with FC3 but will eventually.

I did find a couple other problems with FC3 that I discovered after
posting. The CDROM icon on the KDE desktop doesn't work (haven't tried
it Gnome, I don't care for Gnome), they've changed mount point locations
for removable media to /media instead of /mnt, for one thing, and the
KDE environment apparently didn't catch up. Had to fiddle with that a
bit. Also installing additional packages not included from RPMs is not
easy like it was in RH, requires running yum from terminal and I haven't
gotten that to work yet. In RH they had a nice GUI package manager for
this. Why they left that out is beyond me.

Anyway, the main point of my reply was to agree with you that FC3 is
near ready for public use. Not as ready as I initially hoped and
thought, but close. But with these issues I've discovered I have to say
most folks will still be better off using Windows for the time being.

Steve

 

[Leythos]

I haven't tried setting up SMB shares yet with FC3 but will eventually.

I did find a couple other problems with FC3 that I discovered after
posting. The CDROM icon on the KDE desktop doesn't work (haven't tried
it Gnome, I don't care for Gnome), they've changed mount point locations
for removable media to /media instead of /mnt, for one thing, and the
KDE environment apparently didn't catch up. Had to fiddle with that a
bit. Also installing additional packages not included from RPMs is not
easy like it was in RH, requires running yum from terminal and I haven't
gotten that to work yet. In RH they had a nice GUI package manager for
this. Why they left that out is beyond me.

I tried KDE on SUSE and MDK10, but I decided to go with GNOME on FC3, it's
been very close to all that I would want. Sure, it's pretty, but it also
works with all the interfaces.

I've not tried to modify anything, I wanted to see how all the defaults
worked over a month, but I'm a complete noob when it comes to Linux.

Anyway, the main point of my reply was to agree with you that FC3 is
near ready for public use. Not as ready as I initially hoped and
thought, but close. But with these issues I've discovered I have to say
most folks will still be better off using Windows for the time being.

I agree, many will need to stick with Windows until the Linux developers
can make it as simple and supported as Windows is. I'm doing the leg work
right now to determine ROI for workstations and then for servers.

 

[Leythos]

I've been posting to usenet for more years than I can remember and it
USED to be the accepted norm to bottom post AND to quote what you
replied to in etirety. It's only newsreader-wannabe programs like OE
that default to top posting, every actual newsreader I've ever used the
default is to bottom post.

Steve - I've been using Usenet since the early 80's and agree. It wasn't
until MS provided OE with the ability to access Usenet that we started
seeing the mass onslaught of top-posters and people with no respect for
the standards. Sure, there were top-posters, but most MS users don't
understand that Usenet is not email, since they use and email client to
access it.

What would be nice is to see the MS people come out and correct people
that top-post, since it spreads from the MS groups to other public Usenet
groups.

 

[Steve N.]

Steve N. wrote:
|| Gordon wrote:
||| Roger Wilco wrote:
||| <snip>
||||| Don't 'cha jus luv bottom posts?
|||
||| Especially when you repost such a long thread just to write that
||| inanity. Wanker.
|||
|||
||
|| I've been posting to usenet for more years than I can remember and it
|| USED to be the accepted norm to bottom post AND to quote what you
|| replied to in etirety. It's only newsreader-wannabe programs like OE
|| that default to top posting, every actual newsreader I've ever used
|| the default is to bottom post. Besides that you don't have to read
|| any of it in the first place. What about anything I wrote was
|| innane? What have you got to contribute? Obviously nothing.
||
|| Do yourself and us all a favor and don't post anything until you have
|| something worthwhile to say.
||
|| Steve

Are you "Roger Wilco"? If not then f**k off.

My mistake Gordon, sorry. New rule for self; no usenet before coffee.

Steve

 

[Steve N.]

Steve N. wrote:
||
|| Do yourself and us all a favor and don't post anything until you have
|| something worthwhile to say.

So telling someone that they are a wanker for reposting MANY lines with a
one-line addendum which is TOTALLY irrelevant is not worthwhile? how LONG
have you been on Usenet? Perhaps you need a good break, like about ten
years......

Yeah, I need a break, you got that right, but retirement won't come soon
enough for me. Like I said, my mistake, but you replied again before my
apology showed up.

Steve

 

[Leythos]

If by "MS people" you mean MVPs, most of them seem to top post, too. Top
posting itself doesn't really bug me, it's when they use a sig with the
standard separator all the stuff below the separator that they replied
to (if they even bothered to quote it) gets lost in subsequent replies
unless you manually copy/paste it back in.

Yea, that (improper sig placement) and not trimming a reply

 

[Steve N.]

Steve - I've been using Usenet since the early 80's and agree. It wasn't
until MS provided OE with the ability to access Usenet that we started
seeing the mass onslaught of top-posters and people with no respect for
the standards. Sure, there were top-posters, but most MS users don't
understand that Usenet is not email, since they use and email client to
access it.

What would be nice is to see the MS people come out and correct people
that top-post, since it spreads from the MS groups to other public Usenet
groups.

If by "MS people" you mean MVPs, most of them seem to top post, too. Top
posting itself doesn't really bug me, it's when they use a sig with the
standard seperator all the stuff below the seperator that they replied
to (if they even bothered to quote it) gets lost in subsequent replies
unless you manually copy/paste it back in.

Steve

 

[Sam]

Apparently, _Steve N._, on 02/03/05 09:08,typed:

If by "MS people" you mean MVPs, most of them seem to top post, too. Top
posting itself doesn't really bug me, it's when they use a sig with the
standard seperator all the stuff below the seperator that they replied
to (if they even bothered to quote it) gets lost in subsequent replies
unless you manually copy/paste it back in.

Steve

How true!! I have been noticing that trend as well. Wonder if it is a
part of MVP training to scew the usenet conventions just to make a new
MS "Standard" )

Why is it so hard for MVPs to understand the difference between the
signature and the message?

Sam.

 

[Sam]

Apparently, _Steve N._, on 02/03/05 08:43,typed:

I haven't tried setting up SMB shares yet with FC3 but will eventually.

I did find a couple other problems with FC3 that I discovered after
posting. The CDROM icon on the KDE desktop doesn't work (haven't tried
it Gnome, I don't care for Gnome), they've changed mount point locations
for removable media to /media instead of /mnt, for one thing, and the
KDE environment apparently didn't catch up. Had to fiddle with that a
bit. Also installing additional packages not included from RPMs is not
easy like it was in RH, requires running yum from terminal and I haven't
gotten that to work yet. In RH they had a nice GUI package manager for
this. Why they left that out is beyond me.

A friend of mine runs his webserver from home on FC2 on an old machine
(monitorless). He uses yum all the time, even with the Redhat RPM GUI
(called the RHN GUI?), through SSH. With yum, he can use either command
line or the GUI without any different. Perhaps you are missing something
obvious? Have you tried a linux/fc newsgroup?

He installed FC3 on this desktop (and uses yum of course) and reports
that it is better than FC2. One difference I recall was he said it boots
relatively faster.

Sam.

 

[Leythos]

A friend of mine runs his webserver from home on FC2 on an old machine
(monitorless). He uses yum all the time, even with the Redhat RPM GUI
(called the RHN GUI?), through SSH. With yum, he can use either command
line or the GUI without any different. Perhaps you are missing something
obvious? Have you tried a linux/fc newsgroup?

He installed FC3 on this desktop (and uses yum of course) and reports
that it is better than FC2. One difference I recall was he said it boots
relatively faster.

I've not had much time to find the solution, we picked up a couple new
businesses for support and I've been going over networking solutions for
them most of this and last week. I'll look at it next week for sure.

 

[Steve N.]

Apparently, _Steve N._, on 02/03/05 08:43,typed:



A friend of mine runs his webserver from home on FC2 on an old machine
(monitorless). He uses yum all the time, even with the Redhat RPM GUI
(called the RHN GUI?), through SSH. With yum, he can use either command
line or the GUI without any different. Perhaps you are missing something
obvious? Have you tried a linux/fc newsgroup?

He installed FC3 on this desktop (and uses yum of course) and reports
that it is better than FC2. One difference I recall was he said it boots
relatively faster.

Sam.

They apparently left out the RH RPM GUI in FC3 as far as I can tell. If
they didn't it certainly doesn't show up anywhere that I can find. I
can't find any GUI for yum either.

I tried to get FC3 to install the Chromium game RPM from a RH 9.0 SRPM
CD. Yum said something about I was trying to use a GPG signature (not
sure about actual terms ATM) and that one did not exist for this package
and to download the GPG from the originator of the package, tried to
find such a thing online with no luck.

I've posted a few times to more appropriate group about other issues
recently, I never get any responses.

I don't see a lot of difference in startup times between RH 9 and FC3 on
my systems.

Steve

 

[Ad]

My daughter and her boyfriend are using an Advent machine that we bought

that is the name, I could not think what it was.

from PC World back in 1998 I think. Still going strong, the only thing ever
to go wrong has been the CDRW drive. And yes I agree with you about the
pricing - I use Ebuyer now and find them excellent.

I use Ebuyer as well for most things, but I am cutting down now.