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Guest

I decided to spend one of my 2 free support questions and filled out the
online form in the XP Support area. After I'm done describing the problem,
filling the few boxes below and clicking Submit, it responds saying is a
Submission Error; No info on what 's wrong or missing or how to fix it.

So I guess I need MS Support Support.

I just thought you should know.

Good thing MS is a monopoly; can you imagine how fast we'd all ditch their
products if not?
 
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Gerry Cornell

So what was the question?


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Tom

wheat66 said:
I decided to spend one of my 2 free support questions and filled out the
online form in the XP Support area. After I'm done describing the
problem,
filling the few boxes below and clicking Submit, it responds saying is a
Submission Error; No info on what 's wrong or missing or how to fix it.

So I guess I need MS Support Support.

I just thought you should know.

Good thing MS is a monopoly; can you imagine how fast we'd all ditch their
products if not?

If there was a submission error, then how was that counted against your 2
time tally, as you would have been notified by MS? Also, were you told you
now only have one free support left?
 
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Sleepless in Seattle

Microsoft don't have any monopoly. It's just that some people would be
"challenged" to cope with a real operating system. I admit the XP GUI may be
better than Gnome etc. but there is nothing stopping people exploring the
various Linux offerings.
 
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Guest

I don't know if it was counted against my 2 support attempts, I don't think
it was.
All I got was, basically, "Submission Error, click on Back to retry"
something like that. I tried several times, reentered from scratch, etc.

There was "notification by MS" that I could see.

My question was how to cleanup the apparently redundant folders in the
Documents and Settings folder (eg Local Service.NT AUTHORITY.000). I tried
the batch file fix listed in the castalk.com message board and it results in
errors in run in MS-DOS. I also tried the registry fixes listed in the
JSIINC message board link (link below from 2/21/2005) and that didn't work.
(btw, the jsiinc.com link also no longer works).
 
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Guest

How is MS a monopoly? There is competition for everything they make. I've
been running XP for a little over a year now, and I had a choice before
buying it. I considered Mac OS X, and Linux. I decided my best combination of
useability and price lay with XP, but both of the others were viable choices,
and still are.
 
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IanRoy said:
How is MS a monopoly? There is competition for everything they make. I've
been running XP for a little over a year now, and I had a choice before
buying it. I considered Mac OS X, and Linux. I decided my best combination of
useability and price lay with XP, but both of the others were viable choices,
and still are.
There is very little choice. Linux is fine for the computer neard, if
you got the time and also the software is not available fo it. Mac OS X
may be oh so nice, but once again, very few and too expensive.
Sorry, but MS is still a monopoly and also trying to take over everything.
 
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Leythos

There is very little choice. Linux is fine for the computer neard, if
you got the time and also the software is not available fo it. Mac OS X
may be oh so nice, but once again, very few and too expensive.
Sorry, but MS is still a monopoly and also trying to take over everything.

Wrong - I know next to nothing about Linux and have managed to install 3
completely different vendors distro's and get them working with little
effort on my part. Sure, I don't have a clue as to how to maintain them or
fix them when they break, but I happen to think that Fedora Core 3 is
ready for most home and SOHO users. Heck, you can even install MS Office
XP on Linux using the Cross-Over product.

While Open Office does not import complex MS Office documents correctly,
the tools for most home/SOHO users are include, free, with the distro's.
You could easily run a business on FC3 without any additional software
from other vendors/parties.

Instead of looking at linux where it was a few years ago, try it again, I
suggest FC3, it's a 4 CD ISO image set and installed perfectly on 4
different test platforms.
 
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JerryMouse

Sleepless said:
Microsoft don't have any monopoly. It's just that some people would be
"challenged" to cope with a real operating system. I admit the XP GUI
may be better than Gnome etc. but there is nothing stopping people
exploring the various Linux offerings.

Linux was designed by someone who thought DOS commands were not cryptic
enough.

You have to take baby-steps and master Windows before venturing off into
Linux.

You also have to have six fingers on your left hand.
 
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JerryMouse

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There is very little choice. Linux is fine for the computer neard, if
you got the time and also the software is not available fo it. Mac OS
X may be oh so nice, but once again, very few and too expensive.
Sorry, but MS is still a monopoly and also trying to take over
everything.

Monopolies are good for the public, especially in software.

Everybody holds up the arch-villian Rockefeller as the greedy monopolist.
Standard oil, however, brought down the price of kerosene from $3.00/gallon
to less than a nickle in only three years. Of course doing so drove the
whale-oil people out of business, but everybody else got to see in the dark.
Cheaply.

As for software, Micros~1 has a competitor, a powerful competitor.

Itself.

Micros~1 has to constantly improve and introduce new products or its revenue
stream stops. Unlike kerosene, software is forever.
 
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Leythos said:
Wrong - I know next to nothing about Linux and have managed to install 3
completely different vendors distro's and get them working with little
effort on my part. Sure, I don't have a clue as to how to maintain them or
fix them when they break, but I happen to think that Fedora Core 3 is
ready for most home and SOHO users. Heck, you can even install MS Office
XP on Linux using the Cross-Over product.

But it is still not easy for most people, come on some people get
confused with windows XP, so they got no chance with Linux.

While Open Office does not import complex MS Office documents correctly,
the tools for most home/SOHO users are include, free, with the distro's.
You could easily run a business on FC3 without any additional software
from other vendors/parties.
But not everyone runs buinsess with computers. I know you can run a
busines with Linux, because a mate of mine does, but he says it is a
pain sometimes, because some of the software is not there.


Instead of looking at linux where it was a few years ago, try it again, I
suggest FC3, it's a 4 CD ISO image set and installed perfectly on 4
different test platforms.

I was thinking about Linux, but if I did buy it and then found out it
was not for me, it be money wasted,.
 
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jeffrey

Hi,

If I remember correctly, Fedora Core 3 is free to download and use. Red Hat
Linux 9.0 is free as well, but you need to get a license if you want updates
and support it. Check it out. I`m planning to install both Red Hat and
Fedora on my XP Pro System as soon as I choose a VM software.

Jeff
 
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Leythos

But it is still not easy for most people, come on some people get
confused with windows XP, so they got no chance with Linux.

It's no harder or easier for a non-technical person to Install Fedora Core
3 than it is for Windows XP. In fact, FC3 prompts you for what type of
install you want, server, workstation, developer, which is something that
XP Home/Prof doesn't do (and I really wish it did).
But not everyone runs buinsess with computers. I know you can run a
busines with Linux, because a mate of mine does, but he says it is a
pain sometimes, because some of the software is not there.

Sure, there are cases where I go back to XP - Visio has no equal, Visual
Studio 200x .Net has no complement in Linux, even Dream Weaver MX has no
Linux version, but most of the items that anyone would need are already
included in the package. There are zillions of non-ms alternatives for
free download too. Sure, you could base your business on a couple hard to
replace programs, but you could also migration your business model to
some over software in many cases and not have any real impact after the
switch.
I was thinking about Linux, but if I did buy it and then found out it
was not for me, it be money wasted,.

Linux is FREE. You can download SUSE, Mandrake, and Fedora Core 3 for free
right from the vendors/groups web sites. There are also single disk
versions of Linux, but RedHat has made the closest Windows like version
with all the GUI tools that actually work.
 
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Leythos said:
It's no harder or easier for a non-technical person to Install Fedora Core
3 than it is for Windows XP. In fact, FC3 prompts you for what type of
install you want, server, workstation, developer, which is something that
XP Home/Prof doesn't do (and I really wish it did).

But how many people would know what type they wanted?
Also installing software is not that easy, with so many different ways
to install software, it is confusing.
Sure, there are cases where I go back to XP - Visio has no equal, Visual
Studio 200x .Net has no complement in Linux, even Dream Weaver MX has no
Linux version, but most of the items that anyone would need are already
included in the package. There are zillions of non-ms alternatives for
free download too. Sure, you could base your business on a couple hard to
replace programs, but you could also migration your business model to
some over software in many cases and not have any real impact after the
switch.

Ok, I know it is not a business, but one of my hobbies is video and
video editing, I have seen nothing on linux which matches Adobe Premier
or any of the others on the Windows platform. A mate of mine is a
musicion and uses Soundforge, cakewalk 9 and Cooledit pro, once again,
nothing on Linux is that quality.

So I will stand by what I said, there is no choice and Microsoft is
still a monopoly.

Linux is FREE. You can download SUSE, Mandrake, and Fedora Core 3 for free
right from the vendors/groups web sites. There are also single disk
versions of Linux, but RedHat has made the closest Windows like version
with all the GUI tools that actually work.

I have downloaded a few free linux, but never got to grips with it. I
used them on the other computer. I doubt they will support this computer.
 
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jeffrey said:
Hi,

If I remember correctly, Fedora Core 3 is free to download and use. Red
Hat Linux 9.0 is free as well, but you need to get a license if you want
updates and support it. Check it out. I`m planning to install both Red
Hat and Fedora on my XP Pro System as soon as I choose a VM software.

I did try Linux once on my other computer, is was so much hassle, I do
nto think Linux will run on this machine anyway, due to it being a
Nforce board.
 
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Leythos

But how many people would know what type they wanted? Also installing

Give me a break, anyone that gets to the point of being asked a question
is going to either call a friend or just pick one - either way it works
for everything a home user or SOHO user would want. It's actually easier
then Windows XP for most of the installs I've used.
software is not that easy, with so many different ways to install
software, it is confusing.

Um, lets see, "Applications, System Settings, Add and Remove Applications"
- looks very easy to me. As for finding NEW applications, not in the
hundreds of applications included on the CD's, sure, there are a couple
ways to get the, and most are fully automated. Try that with Win based
apps, at least I don't have to leave my home to get a new Word Processor,
a new Accounting Package, a new version of email client that works
directly with all the MS Exchange functions....
Ok, I know it is not a business, but one of my hobbies is video and
video editing, I have seen nothing on linux which matches Adobe Premier
or any of the others on the Windows platform. A mate of mine is a
musicion and uses Soundforge, cakewalk 9 and Cooledit pro, once again,
nothing on Linux is that quality.

I agree - there are many windows apps that have nothing close in the Linux
world, but you can edit video on a Linux box, I read about it all the
time, but I'm not into video/audio editing so I can't speak from
experience.
So I will stand by what I said, there is no choice and Microsoft is
still a monopoly.

Wrong on both parts - the apps are driven by the market, that means that
since Linux is now a viable desktop with companies like Novel and IBM
backing them, that more apps will be available, but it will take time, it
didn't happen over-night for MS. I can remember when PageMaker and
PhotoShop finally came out for Windows, it had been around on the MAC for
a LONG time.

As for Monopoly, wrong again, MS has alternatives, you just make a
personal choice to not use them. Many people choose to not use MS apps for
one reason or another and still get the work done they need to get done.
I have downloaded a few free linux, but never got to grips with it. I
used them on the other computer. I doubt they will support this computer.

There are many devices not fully supported and some not supported at all,
that's just the way it is. I have no trouble with old P2/P3/Dual P3/P4/P4
w/HT, and Dual Xeon systems with Fedora Core 3. I would never suggest a
dual boot system, if you ever try it again, use a different PC or install
another drive (and keep the Win one disconnected).
 
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Gerry Cornell

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Monopoly = exclusive control of the market supply of a product or
service. Microsoft is a dominant player but does not have exclusive
control. The court actions a year or so ago were about stopping
Microsoft being able to gain exclusive control. From a consumer point of
view they need to be monitored to ensure that they do not gain exclusive
control. It is also desirable that other weaker players are able to
continue to provide competing services. The service from a dominant
player should be better., if the weaker players are encouraged to be
innovative thereby offering more competition.

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Regards.

Gerry

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Leythos said:
Give me a break, anyone that gets to the point of being asked a question
is going to either call a friend or just pick one - either way it works
for everything a home user or SOHO user would want. It's actually easier

I do not think so.

then Windows XP for most of the installs I've used.

Maybe so, I not found it so yet. but then most people will buy their
computer with windows XP on, not many computer manufacture will stick
Linux into a computer.
Um, lets see, "Applications, System Settings, Add and Remove Applications"
- looks very easy to me. As for finding NEW applications, not in the

Then it must have changed a lot since I last tried to use Linux and that
was only a few months back

hundreds of applications included on the CD's, sure, there are a couple

But are these applications worth having?
ways to get the, and most are fully automated. Try that with Win based
apps, at least I don't have to leave my home to get a new Word Processor,
a new Accounting Package, a new version of email client that works
directly with all the MS Exchange functions....

Until you come to more advanced software with more specific uses.
I agree - there are many windows apps that have nothing close in the Linux

There you then, Microsoft still got the monopoly and you can not say it
have not.
world, but you can edit video on a Linux box, I read about it all the
time, but I'm not into video/audio editing so I can't speak from
experience.

I seen a couple of the video editing software and they are little better
than the Movie maker which is built into XP.

Wrong on both parts - the apps are driven by the market, that means that
since Linux is now a viable desktop with companies like Novel and IBM
backing them, that more apps will be available, but it will take time, it
didn't happen over-night for MS. I can remember when PageMaker and
PhotoShop finally came out for Windows, it had been around on the MAC for
a LONG time.

No, I am not wrong, there is not much choice at all, do you really think
Microsoft is going to allow Linux to over take or come even anywhere
close? Come on, IBM produced Warp and that failed, novel done well with
it server Os, but then Microsoft knocked that of the market.
Ok, so some corporations may use Linux, our local city authority is
looking at it, but that is only because the way Microsoft likes to keep
in control.
As for Monopoly, wrong again, MS has alternatives, you just make a
personal choice to not use them. Many people choose to not use MS apps for
one reason or another and still get the work done they need to get done.
People are more or less pushed into using Microsoft OS, because you buy
a computer and what is installed on it? as for applications, Microsoft
office is the standard now for an office suite, even Lotus was pushed
out with their spreadsheet.
I sorry to say, people have not got a choice, well they have, but not
much of one. they got more choice with software, but very little with
Os. they could buy a Mac, I suppose, but hardware is so flaming expensive.

There are many devices not fully supported and some not supported at all,
that's just the way it is. I have no trouble with old P2/P3/Dual P3/P4/P4

Oh great, that is going forwards, use it on a old system.
w/HT, and Dual Xeon systems with Fedora Core 3. I would never suggest a
dual boot system, if you ever try it again, use a different PC or install
another drive (and keep the Win one disconnected).
I know Linux is fine for some people and I am sure it will do pretty
well, as it have done, but it have always been and I think always will
have that computer nerd thing about it.

If I mention Linux to other people, they either got no idea what it is,
or still think that it is just a text based OS, which to be honest it
still is.

We will just have to wait and see what happens
 
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Gerry said:
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Monopoly = exclusive control of the market supply of a product or
service. Microsoft is a dominant player but does not have exclusive
control. The court actions a year or so ago were about stopping
Microsoft being able to gain exclusive control. From a consumer point of
view they need to be monitored to ensure that they do not gain exclusive
control. It is also desirable that other weaker players are able to
continue to provide competing services. The service from a dominant
player should be better., if the weaker players are encouraged to be
innovative thereby offering more competition.

Court action in the U.s or in Europe? which ever, it done nothing, in
the u.s, nothing have been done to stop Microsoft, because once Bush got
in, all the things that was going to be done was not.
What happened about splitting Microsoft up?, what happened about taking
Internet Explorer out of Windows? None of that have happened. I wonder
how many back pockets Bush have got.

The same in Europe, nothing was done, oh big deal, Gates must make a
version of windows without his media player, but he can still sell the
old windows, so it means nothing.

Gates speak, everyone jumps, he have got control lots of it.
If he decided tomorrow, to pull the license for Windows out, then the
world would come to a full stop. so he has a monopoly, just like British
Telecoms do here, even if the government says they have not.
It is about time big companies that have that sort of power was split.
 

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