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]I haven't heard that the company where I work, would "sign an exclusive
]contract with MS that won't allow them to provide either drivers or
]documentation for other systems" for getting "all of the information needed
]to write those drivers".

Since we have no idea of what company you work for, we have no idea
whether or not they do supply the documentation needed for other to
write drivers for their hardware (or even if they have anything anyone
would want to write drivers for. For all we know, you work for a screw
manufacturing company).
So, since you work there-- do they supply the detailed documentation
enabeling someone to write a driver?


]The DDK documentation used to be a bit terse in some important design
]guides, but Windows XP DDK and Windows 2003 DDK docs have become very good.
]One also may want to read Walter Oney's excellent book on writing WDM
]drivers.

?? Again, this is completely irrelevant. The question is not whether
Microsoft supplied documetnation about how to a device driver for
Windows, but whether the manufacturer supplied docmentation as to how
to interface a device driver with their specific hardware.

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]> ]On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:42:04 -0700, "Alexander Grigoriev"
]>
]> ]>]> ]>>
]> ]>> The question has always been how much of this is because Micro$oft
]> ]>> won't release all of the information needed to write those drivers if
]> ]>> the hardware vendor doesn't sign an exclusive contract that won't
]> ]>> allow them to provide either drivers or documentation for other
]> ]>> systems. Of do they get other benefits for colluding with this
]> ]>> convicted criminal organization?
]> ]>>
]> ]>> Bob McConnell
]> ]>> N2SPP
]> ]>>
]> ]>
]> ]>One can have Windows DDK for about $15. It contains everything for
]writing
]> ]>kernel drivers (except for filesystem drivers). There is no strings
]> ]>attached, like NDA.
]>
]> That may be, but that helps very little. It is the detailed commands
]> which have to be sent to the hardware that is needed. Thus, if the
]> manufacturer refuses to release that info, writing adriver is
]> impossible.
]>
]>
 
Bill said:
]I haven't heard that the company where I work, would "sign an exclusive
]contract with MS that won't allow them to provide either drivers or
]documentation for other systems" for getting "all of the information needed
]to write those drivers".

Since we have no idea of what company you work for, we have no idea
whether or not they do supply the documentation needed for other to
write drivers for their hardware (or even if they have anything anyone
would want to write drivers for. For all we know, you work for a screw
manufacturing company).
So, since you work there-- do they supply the detailed documentation
enabeling someone to write a driver?


]The DDK documentation used to be a bit terse in some important design
]guides, but Windows XP DDK and Windows 2003 DDK docs have become very good.
]One also may want to read Walter Oney's excellent book on writing WDM
]drivers.

?? Again, this is completely irrelevant. The question is not whether
Microsoft supplied documetnation about how to a device driver for
Windows, but whether the manufacturer supplied docmentation as to how
to interface a device driver with their specific hardware.

]]>
]> ]On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:42:04 -0700, "Alexander Grigoriev"
]>
]> ]>]> ]>>
]> ]>> The question has always been how much of this is because Micro$oft
]> ]>> won't release all of the information needed to write those drivers if
]> ]>> the hardware vendor doesn't sign an exclusive contract that won't
]> ]>> allow them to provide either drivers or documentation for other
]> ]>> systems. Of do they get other benefits for colluding with this
]> ]>> convicted criminal organization?
]> ]>>
]> ]>> Bob McConnell
]> ]>> N2SPP
]> ]>>
]> ]>
]> ]>One can have Windows DDK for about $15. It contains everything for
]writing
]> ]>kernel drivers (except for filesystem drivers). There is no strings
]> ]>attached, like NDA.
]>
]> That may be, but that helps very little. It is the detailed commands
]> which have to be sent to the hardware that is needed. Thus, if the
]> manufacturer refuses to release that info, writing adriver is
]> impossible.
]>
]>
soorry just a test on my thunderbird setting :)
 
Some Bob McConnel in the quoted message alleges that "Micro$oft won't
release all of the information needed to write those drivers if the hardware
vendor doesn't sign an exclusive contract that won't allow them to provide
either drivers or documentation for other systems".

Responding on that statement, I said that the company I'm working for (which
produces chipsets for communication CPE), didn't have to sign any of such
prohibitive agreements to be able to develop Windows drivers for our
designs. Getting DDK is easy. Understanding all the design rules is not
easy, but there are companies that provide training.
 
True enough, but do you actually get an retail XPee CD with that or one of
those worthless 'system restore' CD's? Plus, you still have a worthless
winmodem inside this system (and more than likely a no-name brand too, so that
finding drivers for it if you lost the CD would be a real bitch). The other
hardware too, except for the cpu...is that all no-name stuff? Do you know what
brand/type MOBO it has?

Joh N.

Just a quick note. You shouldn't get just a system restore CD. By law,
you should get a retail CD for all the software that comes with it. A
system restore is just a recovery of what was installed, it's NOT the
software that you purchased with the system. So, if you buy a system
with installed software, INSIST on the CDs for all the 'shelf
software' that is installed.

Some unscrupulous vendors will play games with the licensing. They buy
them in batches usually, and try to save money by keeping the CDs and
reusing them. You should be able to install the system from scratch.
But you need the orginal CD for each product.
 
Dark Over Lord said:
Just a quick note. You shouldn't get just a system restore CD. By law,
you should get a retail CD for all the software that comes with it. A
system restore is just a recovery of what was installed, it's NOT the
software that you purchased with the system. So, if you buy a system
with installed software, INSIST on the CDs for all the 'shelf
software' that is installed.

I wish! We all know that it doesn't work this way. Most all the major
manufacturer include only a restore disk with the system, nothing
else. IMHO, this is a crock and you are NOT getting what you paid for.
But there's no way around it if you buy from Compaq or Dell or ...
 
Dark Over Lord said:
Just a quick note. You shouldn't get just a system restore CD. By law,
you should get a retail CD for all the software that comes with it. A
system restore is just a recovery of what was installed, it's NOT the
software that you purchased with the system. So, if you buy a system
with installed software, INSIST on the CDs for all the 'shelf
software' that is installed.

Some unscrupulous vendors will play games with the licensing. They buy
them in batches usually, and try to save money by keeping the CDs and
reusing them. You should be able to install the system from scratch.
But you need the orginal CD for each product.
There is no such law. OEMs don't have to provide cd's for all the installed
software. The license agreement says the user must be able to put the
computer back to factory condition. That's it. That is all an oem or vendor
is required to do. However they see fit to allow you to do this is up to the
oem. Most give a restore cd and on the restore cd is the installs for the
other free programs they gave you. This is one of the reasons why oem
computers cost less, cause they don't have to provide cds for all software.
Also your not allowed to transfer most oem software(including windows) so
this is another reason why they don't give you individual cd's. It's all on
the restore cd which might also be bios locked.
 
Greetings --

What law is that? In what country? (I wish you were right, but
you're not.)

Bruce Chambers

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