Thunderbird

[Andrew C. Cooper]

Anyone use Thunderbird Email on a day to day basis? can it replace
Outlook? (not that piece of junk outlook express).

Do you have any problems with it?

I have so many problems with Outlook Express that our ministry is
looking for a good solid Email client with spell scheck. Could
Thunderbird do that?

TIA
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[Joachim Ziebs]

Hi Andrew!

Anyone use Thunderbird Email on a day to day basis? can it replace
Outlook? (not that piece of junk outlook express).

I'm not sure if Thunderbird is a groupware client (as Outlook is). AFAIK
it is only an emailer (as Outlook Express).
If you really need groupware functionality, your stuck to Lotus (which
has the worst user interface ever!) and Outlook. I once had a freeware
version of Lotus, you don't want to try that.

I have so many problems with Outlook Express that our ministry is
looking for a good solid Email client with spell scheck. Could
Thunderbird do that?

Probably. But why not use Mozilla and Mozilla Mail?

Greetings,

Joachim

 

[badgolferman]

Anyone use Thunderbird Email on a day to day basis? can it replace
Outlook? (not that piece of junk outlook express).

Do you have any problems with it?

I have so many problems with Outlook Express that our ministry is
looking for a good solid Email client with spell scheck. Could
Thunderbird do that?

TIA

What are your problems with Outlook Express? There are MS newsgroups
dedicated to OE and some other excellent resources also. I would be
glad to help correct OE problems.

Keep in mind you will probably meet quite a bit of resistance from
people who are used to OE. Believe me, I face that everyday at work.

 

[Semolina Pilchard]

Anyone use Thunderbird Email on a day to day basis? can it replace
Outlook? (not that piece of junk outlook express).

I used it for a few weeks. I've never used Outlook, so I can't talk
to comparability.

Do you have any problems with it?

Only a minor one, really. It used quite a lot of memory for an
email/news client, and was quite slow to redraw itself on the screen
after having been minimized. That began to annoy me after a time.

I have so many problems with Outlook Express that our ministry is
looking for a good solid Email client with spell scheck. Could
Thunderbird do that?

I had no difficulties with it in use. I found it easy to configure
and use and it was stable. At 0.4 it's still in early development and
will doubtless continue to improve.

 

[Joachim Ziebs]

Hi!

What are your problems with Outlook Express? There are MS newsgroups
dedicated to OE and some other excellent resources also. I would be
glad to help correct OE problems.

I doubt that the MS newsgroups will help you with OE's main problem: it
is made to resemble a Swiss cheese.


Greetings,

Joachim

 

[Andrew C. Cooper]

Hi Andrew!




I'm not sure if Thunderbird is a groupware client (as Outlook is). AFAIK
it is only an emailer (as Outlook Express).
If you really need groupware functionality, your stuck to Lotus (which
has the worst user interface ever!) and Outlook. I once had a freeware
version of Lotus, you don't want to try that.




Probably. But why not use Mozilla and Mozilla Mail?

Greetings,

Joachim

I will try Mozilla and Mozilla mail. Thanks for the input.

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Make You A Christian
Any More Than Going To
Mc Donald's Makes You
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[JunkMonkey]

You've got to remember Outlook is SIGNIFICANTLY more than an email program.
It is also a PIM (personal information manager) it has places for
appointments, to-do lists, calendars, notes, etc. It is also extremely
programmable, you can actually create new functionality for it (assuming you
have the time and inclination). As a PIM, it's not bad, though the older
user interface can be a bit disorienting, I think. I've not used the latest
version with a revamped UI. Personally, it's too powerful for me as a PIM I
prefer Palm Desktop (FREE! but a rather large download).
The one thing it doesn't have is a news group reader, instead, it launches
Outlook Express for that function. It also costs about $100 - $120 USD.

Anyone looking for an alternative to OE needs to ask themselves just what
kind of functionality they need. I think if you aren't happy with OE, you
probably won't be happy with Outlook as an email client as they clearly come
from the same developers.

 

[rvanek]

I used it for a few weeks. I've never used Outlook, so I can't talk
to comparability.



Only a minor one, really. It used quite a lot of memory for an
email/news client, and was quite slow to redraw itself on the screen
after having been minimized. That began to annoy me after a time.



I had no difficulties with it in use. I found it easy to configure
and use and it was stable. At 0.4 it's still in early development and
will doubtless continue to improve.

I have been using Thunderbird for quite some time currently using
version 0.4 Have been satisfied with its performance, in fact it does
a number of things better then Express. What do you have to lose in that
they can coexist on your machine, if you dont like it just clear it out

 

[Andrew C. Cooper]

You've got to remember Outlook is SIGNIFICANTLY more than an email program.
It is also a PIM (personal information manager) it has places for
appointments, to-do lists, calendars, notes, etc. It is also extremely
programmable, you can actually create new functionality for it (assuming you
have the time and inclination). As a PIM, it's not bad, though the older
user interface can be a bit disorienting, I think. I've not used the latest
version with a revamped UI. Personally, it's too powerful for me as a PIM I
prefer Palm Desktop (FREE! but a rather large download).
The one thing it doesn't have is a news group reader, instead, it launches
Outlook Express for that function. It also costs about $100 - $120 USD.

Anyone looking for an alternative to OE needs to ask themselves just what
kind of functionality they need. I think if you aren't happy with OE, you
probably won't be happy with Outlook as an email client as they clearly come
from the same developers.

I am the only one here that uses Outlook. Everyone else uses Outlook
Express. I chase more problem with it than I have time for. I have no
problem with Outlook.

--
Andrew C. Cooper
www.wordforlife.com/cmhm
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Going To Church Doesn't
Make You A Christian
Any More Than Going To
Mc Donald's Makes You
A Hamburger-- Keith Green
<>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><

 

[Paul Jackson]

Anyone use Thunderbird Email on a day to day basis? can it replace
Outlook? (not that piece of junk outlook express).

Do you have any problems with it?

I have so many problems with Outlook Express that our ministry is
looking for a good solid Email client with spell scheck. Could
Thunderbird do that?

TIA

I use it all the time. I love it. It is highly customizable with
extensions, plug ins and configuration file editing.

Highly recommended.

Here's the FAQ: http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/faq.html
and the main page: http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/

 

[Jari Lehtonen]

Anyone use Thunderbird Email on a day to day basis? can it replace
Outlook? (not that piece of junk outlook express).

Do you have any problems with it?

I have so many problems with Outlook Express that our ministry is
looking for a good solid Email client with spell scheck. Could
Thunderbird do that?

TIA

I changed from Outlook to Thunderbird because it was giving me
problems (persisting services etc). I hav now used TB little over a
month and I absolutely love it. It does just everything I want for a
email client, it even has it,s own bayesian junk filter! Try it you
would not regret it!

The nevest build for version 0.5 can be found here
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/nightly/2004-02-04-0.5/

And TB has a nice discussion forum too, just look
http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php

Jari

 

[Chris Lee]

You've got to remember Outlook is SIGNIFICANTLY more than an email
program.

Yeah. It's an virus-lanching application.

 

[Christopher Jahn]

Anyone use Thunderbird Email on a day to day basis? can it
replace Outlook? (not that piece of junk outlook express).

Do you have any problems with it?

I have so many problems with Outlook Express that our
ministry is looking for a good solid Email client with
spell scheck. Could Thunderbird do that?

TIA

I've been using Tbird for three months, and Mozilla for two
years.

Very reliable, no problems at all.

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[Christopher Jahn]

What are your problems with Outlook Express? There are MS
newsgroups dedicated to OE and some other excellent
resources also. I would be glad to help correct OE
problems.

The first problem is that it is Outlook Express, the back-door
into your computer.
Several security experts have advised that simply removing
Outlook Express from people's computers would stop 97% of all
viruses dead in their tracks.



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Christopher Jahn
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Change your thoughts and you change your world.

 

[badgolferman]

What are your problems with Outlook Express? There are MS

The first problem is that it is Outlook Express, the back-door
into your computer.
Several security experts have advised that simply removing
Outlook Express from people's computers would stop 97% of all
viruses dead in their tracks.

That's all fine to just say, but there are very simple ways to prevent
viruses with a few changes in the options, regular Windows Updates, and
some common sense.

 

[Chuck Mattsen]

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:13:20 -0500

badgolferman> > Several security experts have advised that simply
removing
badgolferman> > Outlook Express from people's computers would stop 97% of all
badgolferman> > viruses dead in their tracks.
badgolferman>
badgolferman> That's all fine to just say, but there are very simple
badgolferman> ways to prevent viruses with a few changes in the
badgolferman> options, regular Windows Updates, and some common sense.

... and, no doubt, if OE were taken out of the equation it _would_
stop a significant percentage of the virus propagation, but only
temporarily. A new target would be chosen, and any holes there
exploited. It'd make it a bit more difficult, perhaps, but folks love a challenge.

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[Russ]

That's all fine to just say, but there are very simple ways to
prevent viruses with a few changes in the options, regular Windows
Updates, and some common sense.

I'm sorry but, as I assume you know, Windows Updates have in the
relatively recent past caused some serious problems. Enough so that
many companies are recommending a wait-and-see attitude as to how an
update works in the wild. The savvy users now let Other People act
as canaries.

Which, of course, means trading off the possibility of being an
early victim of a virus or worm (which you could be even if you
download a patch the instant it comes out) against the possibility
of being an early victim of a bad patch. This is a charmer of a
choice.

Because MSIE and OE are favorite high-profile targets, simply not
using them gives you a leg up. How many patches do you need if you
use neither? Think small... Combined with a bit of Net savvy, and
an awareness that no approach is 100% safe, that will take you a lot
further.

Yes, if you really like MSIE and OE, you can invest a lot of ongoing
effort into trying to make them safe from attack. If you're into
that, that's fine. I really wouldn't recommend it except for the
diehard fans.

 

[Rhexis]

The first problem is that it is Outlook Express, the back-door
into your computer.

OE isn't the only problem. MyDoom proved that.

Several security experts have advised that simply removing
Outlook Express from people's computers would stop 97% of all
viruses dead in their tracks.

Did that study also remove the massively braindead users from the equation?

 

[Rhexis]

Yes, if you really like MSIE and OE, you can invest a lot of ongoing
effort into trying to make them safe from attack. If you're into
that, that's fine.

It's actually not /that/ hard not to open britney.nude.jpg.exe.vbs.pif
or other such unwanted mail.

 

[Offbreed]

That's all fine to just say, but there are very simple ways to prevent
viruses with a few changes in the options, regular Windows Updates, and
some common sense.

<G> In this case "common sense" seems to indicate removing Outlook
Express as the simplist option.

Microsoft has put out defective updates, and used updates to reset
options. The invisible temp file and internet cache directories
suggest malicious intent. That's all I can remember, off the cuff,
there are other problems that suggest Microsoft should not be trusted
or relied on.