The stupidity continues. Now a very popular printer doesn't work right under Vista

[BSchnur]

If you want the operating system to agree with all your hardware, there is

an easy solution to have it "all work TOGETHER" .
Buy a new computer system from one of the major OEMs.
Then the OEM guarantees compatibility with everything you bought, similar to
buying a new car.

OK -- I'm so glad Microsoft isn't offering upgrade versions then....

By the way, the 'all work together' approach -- that's something of a
Mac solution isn't it?

 

[Richard Urban]

No. That's something of a dell, HP, Gateway, Sony, Toshiba etc. solution.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Chad Harris]

This group has been designated Setup for months. Please use it that way.
The last three weeks itts gotten flooded with questions that have nothing to
do with setup issues. It makes it more difficult to help on setup issues
wading through all the messages that are important to you but don't have a
damn thing to do with setup. If you can buy Vista, I assume you can read at
some level. Put your general questions on the general group and leave this
one for the setup issues.

There is a printer group for Vista. This is not a setup issue. Printers are
not required to setup Vista.

If it's Adobe--it don't go here.
If it's driver--it don't go here.
If it's Winmail--it don't go here.
If it's Office related--it sure as hell don't go here and I've answered a
ton of Office questions/Outlook questions and BCM questions on the general
group even though they have their own groups and all their helpers have used
and most have Beta tested Vista for over a year.

CH

 

[BSchnur]

No. That's something of a dell, HP, Gateway, Sony, Toshiba etc. solution.

Indeed -- when it comes to notebook computers, that is the way I go.
When it comes to some really high maintenance clients, I go with big
name sources --- so I can have the end user engage in the dialog for
support with the manufacturer.

But for optimal configurations for my 'normal' clients, I'll build up
and test the system myself, that way I know it works, and I also know
the end user won't have to deal with the vast amount of
'proprietary'r'us' additional software crud that you get with the 'all
in one' solutions.

But I'm not saying those all in one solutions are bad ones for a lot of
folks. Though they are expensive as it means whenever a new OS comes
out, they end up replacing everything (all in one means all in one),
including printers, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Barry;
Obviously Microsoft has upgrades as usual, but they are not for everyone in
every situation.
that is why there is a lot of information about upgrading.

"that's something of a Mac solution isn't it?"
It is the way the major OEMs such as Gateway, Dell, HP etc sell computers.
Regardless the problem, the customer always calls the OEM as long as the
original configuration is involved.
Mac can be another solution but that requires you start over with new
hardware and software.
But everyone should use the solution that works best for them and the best
for me is not a Mac.

 

[Bill]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:19:37 -0500, Richard Urban wrote:

Strangely enough, my linux distro PCLINUXOS accurately read all of my
hardware, and installed the appropriate drivers. Using synaptic, which
lists all of the readily available software packages for my distro, I
installed the nvidia video driver and printer drivers for my HP printer.
When I had any questions, I merely checked the wiki and forums for
answers. Xchat was available for free live support with the author of the
distro, whenever he was online and with other knowledgeable people. My
computer runs smoothly without fear of viruses and spyware (although I do
run avclam and chkrootkit once in awhile out of a sense of nostalgia). I
dual boot with a fully licensed copy of Windows XP, which I use
occasionally when I need to check something for my customers.

I fix
computers.

I have been following the threads on Vista Install and General to see what
my customers might be experiencing. I am overwhelmed by the problems that
people are having installing and using Vista and I am sincerely wondering
why anyone would say that Linux was difficult to install and use.

 

[Fedwayguy]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:19:37 -0500, Richard Urban wrote:

Strangely enough, my linux distro PCLINUXOS accurately read all of my
hardware, and installed the appropriate drivers. Using synaptic, which
lists all of the readily available software packages for my distro, I
installed the nvidia video driver and printer drivers for my HP printer.
When I had any questions, I merely checked the wiki and forums for
answers. Xchat was available for free live support with the author of the
distro, whenever he was online and with other knowledgeable people. My
computer runs smoothly without fear of viruses and spyware (although I do
run avclam and chkrootkit once in awhile out of a sense of nostalgia). I
dual boot with a fully licensed copy of Windows XP, which I use
occasionally when I need to check something for my customers.

I fix
computers.

I have been following the threads on Vista Install and General to see what
my customers might be experiencing. I am overwhelmed by the problems that
people are having installing and using Vista and I am sincerely wondering
why anyone would say that Linux was difficult to install and use.

Bill, point me in the direction of a cheap beginners version of Linux. Used
to be that open source Linux was easy to find and install. I want to start
using it but don't want to spend a whole lot of cash until I feel
comfortable with it.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Here is one:
http://www.ubuntu.com/
On the right side, click "Shipit".
Follow the prompts to request exactly what you want:
Shipping is free apparently anywhere in about 3 weeks even though they state
longer..
You can also download a newer version for free.

 

[joseph2k]

Another Microsoft butt kisser heard from.

Let me help in your further education in the real world which seems to
be lacking. Hardware vendors need to conform to faily rigid specs and
follow specific guidlines that Microsoft places on the OS or NONE of
their drivers would work right. I guess you didn't know that.

What we're seeing is what we always see everytime there is a new
Microsoft OS. Endless finger pointing where the clods at Microsoft
point their fingers at hardware vendors and the hardware vendors point
their fingers at Microsoft. The bottom line is there is pleny of blame
to go around.

This is one area where the Mac guys are absolutely correct. Most Mac
hardware DOES WORK out of the box because they control the process.
Microsoft keeps moving the goal posts ie changing what needs to be
done which I'm sure drives hardware vendors crazy.

For your information I also let my feeling be known to Epson and other
vendors that have caused me endless headaches this past week.

Then the DRM crap they want hardware vendors to implement may not happen
either.

 

[joseph2k]

Hey fella.

I have a 4 year old HP Deskjet 970cxi. I have basic functionality (which
is more than I expected). I am glad I have that as I was prepared to
purchase a new printer to use with Vista.

It is Hp, H/P, Hewlett Packard who is at fault here. It is not Microsoft.
HP had 5 friggen years to do drivers that are good for Vista. It is up to
HP to supply drivers to Microsoft for inclusion with a new operating
system. It is up to HP to make their customer happy. I am NOT happy. But
it is ***NOT*** Microsoft's problem. It is between me and HP.

I bought a new printer when Win98 came out. I bought a new printer when
Windows 2000 came out. After Windows XP came out it was 6-8 months before
HP got off their collective asses and released drivers for that operating
system.


Now, place your vender above wherever you see HP.

And, place the blame where it belongs.

No one forced you to buy Vista. You wanted Vista, the same as I did.

Each to their own. I purchase new printers simply because i want to. Most
of my older printers were given away as part of completely operational
computer systems. All software original licenses and packages included.

My only vista is the free download of RC1. It has problems, like inadequate
or missing SCSI drivers (for Adaptec no less). So far it has impressed me
negatively. For what i have seen so far, it is not worth buying. I think
i will buy a few more (reserve) copies of XP instead.