The occasional crash is unavoidable?

[Richard Fangnail]

Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
sooner or later, no matter what you do?

Excel on my work computer crashed twice in a year for no apparent
reason. It happened so unoften, I just didn't worry about it.

My Firefox sometimes crashes even though I installed FlashBlock. I
now installed AdBlock. I'm beginning to think that most popular
webpages also load a lot of junk that cause crashes like Javascript,
Flash ads, etc.

Perhaps if FF crashes every 2-3 days I shouldn't worry although it's
annoying.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
sooner or later, no matter what you do?

No. That's not my experience at all. If it's what's happening on your
computer, you either have a hardware problem, malware infection,
something set up wrong, etc.

 

[Tom Willett]

See inline:

: Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
: sooner or later, no matter what you do?

No, I have never found that on my computer at home or work, or any of our
50+ computers at work.

:
: Excel on my work computer crashed twice in a year for no apparent
: reason. It happened so unoften, I just didn't worry about it.
:

Never crashed on any computer at work or mine at home.


: My Firefox sometimes crashes even though I installed FlashBlock. I
: now installed AdBlock. I'm beginning to think that most popular
: webpages also load a lot of junk that cause crashes like Javascript,
: Flash ads, etc.

My FireFox at home or work has never crashed for any reason. Several users
at work use it, and it has never crashed.

:
: Perhaps if FF crashes every 2-3 days I shouldn't worry although it's
: annoying.

If I were you, I'd certainly worry about all the crashes you claim to have
on your computer. It's not natural.

But, then, you could just be trolling?

 

[Nate Grossman]

Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
sooner or later, no matter what you do?

No.

 

[The Real Bev]

Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
sooner or later, no matter what you do?

Thank FSB for the 3-finger salute.

Excel on my work computer crashed twice in a year for no apparent
reason. It happened so unoften, I just didn't worry about it.

My Firefox sometimes crashes even though I installed FlashBlock. I
now installed AdBlock. I'm beginning to think that most popular
webpages also load a lot of junk that cause crashes like Javascript,
Flash ads, etc.

A couple of times java (on linux) has assumed zombie characteristics and needed
to be kill-9'd. I use several java apps so I have no idea what set it off, but
it could have been firefox. I hope not. I believe whatever suicidal
tendencies java possesses are probably enhanced by Windows.

 

[axflksdgfg]

Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
sooner or later, no matter what you do?

Excel on my work computer crashed twice in a year for no apparent
reason. It happened so unoften, I just didn't worry about it.

My Firefox sometimes crashes even though I installed FlashBlock. I
now installed AdBlock. I'm beginning to think that most popular
webpages also load a lot of junk that cause crashes like Javascript,
Flash ads, etc.

Perhaps if FF crashes every 2-3 days I shouldn't worry although it's
annoying.

It WILL get worse. The US economy will soon crash. You wont care
about your computer after that, the internet will be gone as well as
electricity.

 

[Rod Speed]

Have you found that programs on Windows computers
will all crash sooner or later, no matter what you do?
Nope.

Excel on my work computer crashed twice in a year for no apparent reason.

Its never crashed on mine.

It happened so unoften, I just didn't worry about it.

 

[John]

My Excel 2007 doesn't crash but I'm not an Excel power user. I never use
Excel to create/edit advanced/complicated spreadsheets. Therefore I can't
say much about Excel stability.

Firefox 3.0.x crashes several times a day (both on my notebook and desktop
PC) for no apparent reason even with NoScript enabled. FF3.5 seems to be
more stable. It hasn't crashed since the upgrade about a week ago (IIRC).

 

[Anteaus]

You need Linux. Not the most user-friendly OS ever invented, I grant you, but
its rock-solid stability cannot be matched by any Microsoft OS. Six months
between reboots is nothing unusual.

 

[db]

nothing is perfect
and "everyone"
experiences the
inevitable crash.

however, irregularity
of functionality is
indicative of a
reoccurring problem.

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[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Richard Fangnail:

Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
sooner or later, no matter what you do?

Excel on my work computer crashed twice in a year for no apparent
reason. It happened so unoften, I just didn't worry about it.

My Firefox sometimes crashes even though I installed FlashBlock. I
now installed AdBlock. I'm beginning to think that most popular
webpages also load a lot of junk that cause crashes like Javascript,
Flash ads, etc.

Perhaps if FF crashes every 2-3 days I shouldn't worry although it's
annoying.

I'm not saying that my XP boxes never crash... but what you are
describing is far outside of my experience.

Are we talking Blue Screen Of Death here? Or just the app going
down the tubes and the sys remaining up?

Either way, I have not experienced frequent repetitions. Maybe
a couple times a year, I get a blue screen.

 

[Richard Fangnail]

Are we talking Blue Screen Of Death here?   Or just the app going
down the tubes and the sys remaining up?

PeteCresswell

My Firefox has been crashing randomly but I think it has to do with
Flash or Javascript. I never get the blue screen of death.

 

[Bert Hyman]

In

Have you found that programs on Windows computers will all crash
sooner or later, no matter what you do?

It's not "no matter what you do."

Almost every large piece of software has some as yet undetected bugs in
it.

The bugs that were tripped by the most common uses and interactions with
users and other software have already been fixed.

Something you're doing is finding the other sort.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

In


It's not "no matter what you do."

Almost every large piece of software has some as yet undetected bugs in
it.

Although I basically agree strongly with that statement, let me add
the following:

It's more than "almost," and not only "large" software. Developing any
piece of modern software except for the trivial (not things of the
"Hello, world" variety) is an extremely complex undertaking, and it is
never done perfectly. Moreover, one can demonstrate the presence of a
bug, but never the absence of any. Even if the manufacturer thinks
there are no bugs, because he hasn't found any more, there are still
others left that haven't yet become apparent. That's the main reason
that software continues to get new fixes, service packs, etc.
throughout its lifetime.

The bugs that were tripped by the most common uses and interactions with
users and other software have already been fixed.

Yes.


Something you're doing is finding the other sort.

But maybe. It is also possible, and probably more likely, that the
crashes he is experiencing are not related to bugs in the software,
but rather to one or more of the following: hardware problems, malware
infection, poor-quality utilities he runs, choices he has made in
configuring Windows, etc.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

You surely are negative! There are literally thousands and thousands of bug
free programs that run
under an operating system.

Wrong. You may have never seen a bug in them, and whatever bugs they
have may be very minor, or appear only in unusual circumstances, but
that doesn't mean they are bug-free.

If a failure occurs it may be the OS or some
other program
(virus programs for example) that cause the problem and NOT the bug free
program.

Yes, that's almost exactly what I said. I even said that that's more
likely than a bug in the program, which is what Richard Fangnail said.
Please reread the last paragraph in my message which you quoted below.

 

[Unknown]

Yes you are very negative. It's obvious you never did any programming.

You surely are negative! There are literally thousands and thousands of
bug
free programs that run
under an operating system.

Wrong. You may have never seen a bug in them, and whatever bugs they
have may be very minor, or appear only in unusual circumstances, but
that doesn't mean they are bug-free.

If a failure occurs it may be the OS or some
other program
(virus programs for example) that cause the problem and NOT the bug free
program.

Yes, that's almost exactly what I said. I even said that that's more
likely than a bug in the program, which is what Richard Fangnail said.
Please reread the last paragraph in my message which you quoted below.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Yes you are very negative. It's obvious you never did any programming.

As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. I started my
career as a professional programmer in 1962. I retired in 1993. For
the last 20 years or so of my career, I was no longer programming
myself, but managing the work of a programming staff.

I've also managed the efforts of a software Quality Assurance group,
where we tested all the software developed in our company, and found
bugs in it.

And since retiring, I've done some minor programming from time to
time.

It hardly matters what I say. You just like to argue with me, and
typically make brash incorrect statements like the one above.

 

[John]

Name one.

You surely are negative! There are literally thousands and thousands of
bug free programs that run
under an operating system. If a failure occurs it may be the OS or some
other program
(virus programs for example) that cause the problem and NOT the bug free
program.

 

[Unknown]

Calculator!

Name one.

You surely are negative! There are literally thousands and thousands of
bug free programs that run
under an operating system. If a failure occurs it may be the OS or some
other program
(virus programs for example) that cause the problem and NOT the bug free
program.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Like I said, there are literally thousand upon thousands of bug free
programs.
And your stand is that there are none. If you indeed wrote programs are you
saying
all of them are buggy? What on earth did you program?

As usual, you keep repeating the same thing. You just like to argue,
with me as well as with others.

Sorry, although you are completely wrong, I won't argue with you any
further. In fact, I won't even see your messages any longer. Plonk and
Goodbye.