Take your WGA complaints to a member of the WGA team at Microsoft

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Leythos said:
I believe it has benefit, and you don't. I guess we're never going to
get past this, so I agree to disagree.

It has no benefit at all for consumers, and it doesn't even benefit
stockholders.

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Leythos said:
I believe it has benefit, and you don't. I guess we're never going to
get past this, so I agree to disagree.

No, you're wrong, full stop. Please, explain to everyone how WGA/N
improves a computer user's experience or provides more security. What
benefit? At best, it wastes time. At worst, it puts the end user through
WGA/N hell.

Alias
 
You don't believe that courts around the world have ruled that MS is a
predatory monopoly?!

I believe that MS has some very rough vendor restrictions, and have seen
worse in many companies, but, I agree that they are very rough. I do not
believe that MS is a monopoly at all, there are viable alternatives.
You don't believe that courts have ruled that MS is a patent infringer?!

Yes, I believe it, as well as with many other companies that do the
same. I suppose you think the Red-Cross and United Way are good
organizations without fault?
But you still believe Iraq had massive piles of WMDs in pre-war 2003,
despite Bush own WMD inspectors coming to the conclusion that there
weren't!

Yes, as there has been published proof that they did have them.
Do you still believe the Earth is flat?!

Nope, unlike you I can open my eyes and see for myself.
PMSL! Every opinion is biased in one way or another. You are just
lying to yourself by saying you don't have a bias.

Nope, I based my opinions on the facts I have available to me and the
validity of the data used to create the facts.
LOL! You are a fool.

Thanks, from you that makes me feel good, as I generally thing
everything you say is the actual opposite of how it really is.
 
No, you're wrong, full stop. Please, explain to everyone how WGA/N
improves a computer user's experience or provides more security. What
benefit? At best, it wastes time. At worst, it puts the end user through
WGA/N hell.

Already did, in another reply, you just don't agree.

I do agree that WGAN is useless after the first time it runs, and I've
even sent a complaint to MS asking that it, after it validates a good
install, should uninstall itself and never run again.
 
Leythos said:
I believe that MS has some very rough vendor restrictions, and have
seen worse in many companies, but, I agree that they are very rough.
I do not believe that MS is a monopoly at all, there are viable
alternatives.

Not for most average computer users. Its hard for normal consumers to
even find a find with another venders OS installed on a PC.
Yes, I believe it, as well as with many other companies that do the
same. I suppose you think the Red-Cross and United Way are good
organizations without fault?

Have the Red Cross and United Way infringed on others rights, like MS?
Yes, as there has been published proof that they did have them.

Published in totally delusional press, like the Moonie Times,
WorldNutDaily, NewsMucks, and by Rupert Murdock owned Media!

Hell, the National Enquirer has better journalistic standards than those
sources!
Nope, unlike you I can open my eyes and see for myself.

LOL! But you just choose to keep your eyes shut.
Nope, I based my opinions on the facts I have available to me and the
validity of the data used to create the facts.

What facts? You don't present any real verifiable facts. You are lying
to yourself again.
Thanks, from you that makes me feel good, as I generally thing
everything you say is the actual opposite of how it really is.

To quote one of your Heros, "Ditto."

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Not for most average computer users. Its hard for normal consumers to
even find a find with another venders OS installed on a PC.


Have the Red Cross and United Way infringed on others rights, like MS?


Published in totally delusional press, like the Moonie Times,
WorldNutDaily, NewsMucks, and by Rupert Murdock owned Media!

Hell, the National Enquirer has better journalistic standards than those
sources!


LOL! But you just choose to keep your eyes shut.


What facts? You don't present any real verifiable facts. You are lying
to yourself again.


To quote one of your Heros, "Ditto."

I'm not a Rush fan, but he's one of the people I listen too from time to
time, as well as many left leaning types, so that I can see what each
side has to say. Unlike you I look at all sides and don't close my
eyes/ears when I see/hear something that disagrees with what I already
think I know.
 
Leythos said:
I'm not a Rush fan, but he's one of the people I listen too from time
to time, as well as many left leaning types, so that I can see what
each side has to say.

I'm not a fan, I'm a listener! ROFL!
Unlike you I look at all sides and don't close
my eyes/ears when I see/hear something that disagrees with what I
already think I know.

That's exactly what you do. You only except your own limited world
view, and just disregard the rest.

WGA/N has no benefit to the end user. You can't name one real benefit.

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Leythos said:
Already did in this group with Alias, you just ignored it.

LOL! Telling people that they are a sucker, and then getting them to
pay for the crimes of others! That's a benefit to the End User?!

What about the hundreds of millions of users that have totally legit
installs, WGA/N has no benefit all!


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I didn't, and it sounded like your splitting the only hair you have. The
pubic one you urinate from.

"WGA/N is has purpose....!" - Thus Spoke Leythos.

- Winux P
 
LOL! Telling people that they are a sucker, and then getting them to
pay for the crimes of others! That's a benefit to the End User?!

That's your opinion, not how others may see it working.
What about the hundreds of millions of users that have totally legit
installs, WGA/N has no benefit all!

I'm glad to know that the licenses we have are legit, not glad that WGAN
wanted to keep checking, so I uninstalled it, but I'm glad to know, as
are our customers, that everyone of their licenses/installs is valid.
That's a benefit, even if you don't consider it so.
 
Leythos said:
That's your opinion, not how others may see it working.




I'm glad to know that the licenses we have are legit, not glad that WGAN
wanted to keep checking, so I uninstalled it, but I'm glad to know, as
are our customers, that everyone of their licenses/installs is valid.
That's a benefit, even if you don't consider it so.

That is cold solace since an honest person or organization
would have nothing else than legitimate licenses. And it is
relief to you, knowing that your clients have confirmed your
honesty. But what if one of these legitimate sales turned up
a false negative? Willing to pay this price?
 
That is cold solace since an honest person or organization
would have nothing else than legitimate licenses. And it is
relief to you, knowing that your clients have confirmed your
honesty. But what if one of these legitimate sales turned up
a false negative? Willing to pay this price?

Yes, I am. If one of them was pirated, as in my own company, I would go
after the vendor that sold the pirated copy to me.

Unlike many people that make uninformed/unintelligent purchases, I
research who/where I purchase from before making the purchase, and not
just with software. I've never made a fly-by-night purchase in my life,
never felt that saving $5 was worth the risk.

I just got done bring a new client into full license compliance. Their
previous I.T. company had sold them Action Pack software, removed the
COA's off ever Dell, sold the Dell COA's on ebay, and had a really bad
network design. We found the AP software while trying to rebuild the
server and informed the client that they were in violation of the
licensing agreement. They went after the I.T. Company and also bought
new software for all machines/servers, we installed the new
software/licenses and all is good. They are going after the I.T.
Company, have it at the attorney/local authorities stage currently.

Honest people can make mistakes, but that doesn't make it Microsoft's
fault and it doesn't mean that MS has to provide them with free software
that MS was not paid for...

People are responsible for their OWN actions, if they buy pirated
software they are responsible for it once they learn about it, it's
their job to make it right.
 
Leythos said:
Already did, in another reply, you just don't agree.
Dodge.


I do agree that WGAN is useless after the first time it runs, and I've
even sent a complaint to MS asking that it, after it validates a good
install, should uninstall itself and never run again.

It's useless, full stop.

Alias
 
Leythos said:
That's your opinion, not how others may see it working.


I'm glad to know that the licenses we have are legit, not glad that
WGAN wanted to keep checking, so I uninstalled it, but I'm glad to
know, as are our customers, that everyone of their licenses/installs
is valid. That's a benefit, even if you don't consider it so.

I knew the legitacy of my copy of software long before WGA/N!

You needed some piece of useless technology to tell you. PMSL!

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Leythos said:
Yes, I am. If one of them was pirated, as in my own company, I would go
after the vendor that sold the pirated copy to me.

Unlike many people that make uninformed/unintelligent purchases, I
research who/where I purchase from before making the purchase, and not
just with software. I've never made a fly-by-night purchase in my life,
never felt that saving $5 was worth the risk.

<<snipped>>

You didn't read the commentary. You, the vendor, has just
been called a counterfeiter and pirate by one of your paying
customers just because WGA told him that the copy of Windows
you sold him is not genuine. How much is it going to cost you
to recover your good name and hiring an attorney to counter-sue
someone who is totally pissed off at you and has a bona fide
WGA report in hand. It really doesn't matter, does it now,
how much research you did or bought for resale from impeccable
wholesalers. And, the more WGA checks, even the same sample,
there will always be the statistical probability of turning
up an erroneous report. Come down off your cross and think
about the feelings of the equally honest and sincere people
on the other side.
 
I knew the legitacy of my copy of software long before WGA/N!

You needed some piece of useless technology to tell you. PMSL!

But many people only assume their copy is legit, so your argument fails.
It's already been proven by posters that they've found what they thought
was legit to be pirated, so it's working well.
 
<<snipped>>

You didn't read the commentary. You, the vendor, has just
been called a counterfeiter and pirate by one of your paying
customers just because WGA told him that the copy of Windows
you sold him is not genuine.

And you've missed the fact that it has not happened and appears that it
will not happen. We've got a lot of seats installed and not one has
shown as a false positive. We don't purchase licenses from questionable
sources.
How much is it going to cost you
to recover your good name and hiring an attorney to counter-sue
someone who is totally pissed off at you and has a bona fide
WGA report in hand.

It won't cost me anything, and it won't take more than 1 hour to resolve
if that long. The clients all have copies of the orders, direct orders
from vendors, as we don't sell any products, only brain power. Since the
customers order directly from resellers, since we only use quality
resellers, since we check the resellers frequently, we have no concern
that the installed software will show false hits.
It really doesn't matter, does it now,
how much research you did or bought for resale from impeccable
wholesalers. And, the more WGA checks, even the same sample,
there will always be the statistical probability of turning
up an erroneous report. Come down off your cross and think
about the feelings of the equally honest and sincere people
on the other side.

Actually, I did think about it the way that you suggest, I was actually
concerned for my customers that qualified for the Action Pack or that
have Volume Licenses, but, after testing before installing, nothing was
hit as a false positive. In fact, with all of the IT groups we work
with, all of the residential users we know, family, friends, we've not
seen a single false positive - and yes, we've seen installs flagged as
Pirated and after research the were indeed pirated installs.

If you're honest the customers already know that and will accept your
explanation of why WGAn indicated a false positive, if they don't trust
you then you need to get out before you get screwed by some other issue.
 
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