Take your WGA complaints to a member of the WGA team at Microsoft

[kurttrail]

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=23291&messageID=443920

His email address is on the web page at the link above.

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[Leythos]

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=23291&messageID=443920

His email address is on the web page at the link above.

I read 40, randomly selected, and not one of them posted was a false
positive on a clean/properly working machine. If the false positives I
read about, all of them were on machines that were compromised or could
not properly run Active-X.

 

[-Alias-]

I read 40, randomly selected, and not one of them posted was a false
positive on a clean/properly working machine. If the false positives I
read about, all of them were on machines that were compromised or could
not properly run Active-X.

So the compromised machines can just go get f*cked? If you deal with as
many machines as you say, you must know that John Q. Public's machine is
probably "compromised". MS knows this and hopes each and everyone of
them will rush out and buy XP again, preferably retail as Carey always
recommends.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

So the compromised machines can just go get f*cked?

That may be your solution by it's not anything I suggested.

If you deal with as
many machines as you say, you must know that John Q. Public's machine is
probably "compromised".

And because their machine may be compromised is no reason to blame
WGA/WGAN for it. I seem to recall that SP2 caused no end of problems for
compromised machines. Installing anything on a machine is the
responsibility of the owner of that machine, and that includes making
sure it's clean at all times. If you don't ensure your machine is clean
and any updates are install, not just MS update, there is always a
chance that problems can happen.

MS knows this and hopes each and everyone of
them will rush out and buy XP again, preferably retail as Carey always
recommends.

That is your "Opinion" and not based on fact.

 

[kurttrail]

I read 40, randomly selected, and not one of them posted was a false
positive on a clean/properly working machine. If the false positives I
read about, all of them were on machines that were compromised or
could not properly run Active-X.

As a Microsoft Partner, you are biased towards believing that people are
pirates.

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[kurttrail]

That may be your solution by it's not anything I suggested.


And because their machine may be compromised is no reason to blame
WGA/WGAN for it. I seem to recall that SP2 caused no end of problems
for compromised machines. Installing anything on a machine is the
responsibility of the owner of that machine, and that includes making
sure it's clean at all times. If you don't ensure your machine is
clean and any updates are install, not just MS update, there is
always a chance that problems can happen.


That is your "Opinion" and not based on fact.

LOL! It is your opinion that none of the "40" is a true false positve.

And we all know how biased you are when it comes to real people.
They're wrong, and MS is a friggin' saint.

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[-Alias-]

That may be your solution by it's not anything I suggested.

You implied it. Same thing.

And because their machine may be compromised is no reason to blame
WGA/WGAN for it. I seem to recall that SP2 caused no end of problems for
compromised machines.

Um, SP2 is essential to security. WGA/N is NOT. SP2 is useful to paying
customers. WGA/N is not.

Installing anything on a machine is the
responsibility of the owner of that machine, and that includes making
sure it's clean at all times. If you don't ensure your machine is clean
and any updates are install, not just MS update, there is always a
chance that problems can happen.

Most people don't know that and offering yet another download, a useless
one at that, isn't exactly helpful.

That is your "Opinion" and not based on fact.

No, Carey constantly recommends buying retail.

Cody

 

[Leythos]

As a Microsoft Partner, you are biased towards believing that people are
pirates.

No, that's what you want people to believe so that you can rant and try
and feel better. If I towed the MS line I would not be running Linux,
explaining how you can make the switch to Linux in many cases (for a
residential solution) without a lot of hassle, and I would be more like
Carey.

As a MS-Basher/Hater you are biased against the truth when it sides with
MS in any position.

 

[Leythos]

You implied it. Same thing.

No, I stated exactly what I wanted to say and the words exactly as they
should have been read. You are/were looking for more than I said to help
support your position, which gives a clear indication of your position.

Um, SP2 is essential to security. WGA/N is NOT. SP2 is useful to paying
customers. WGA/N is not.

Actually, you can run a Windows XP pre-SP1 machine and be secure if you
know what to do, I've seen pre-SP1 machines running for years without
compromise.

Most people don't know that and offering yet another download, a useless
one at that, isn't exactly helpful.

Except that sheep get what they deserve, there has been enough hype on
TV/News/paper that people should know by now.

No, Carey constantly recommends buying retail.

Carey is not MS and it is a viable solution, although not one I would
suggest unless the install was pirated.

 

[-Alias-]

No, I stated exactly what I wanted to say and the words exactly as they
should have been read. You are/were looking for more than I said to help
support your position, which gives a clear indication of your position.

You implied that compromised computers are the same as pirated ones. You
prove it here when you say:

"Except that sheep get what they deserve, there has been enough hype on
TV/News/paper that people should know by now."

It hasn't been on the TV/News/paper in Spain and I know people in the
USA who do not know what WGA/N is, much less what to do about it. The
tech savvy crowd is MUCH smaller than the non tech savvy crowd and you
know it.

Actually, you can run a Windows XP pre-SP1 machine and be secure if you
know what to do, I've seen pre-SP1 machines running for years without
compromise.

Besides the point.

Except that sheep get what they deserve, there has been enough hype on
TV/News/paper that people should know by now.

See above.

Carey is not MS and it is a viable solution, although not one I would
suggest unless the install was pirated.

You wouldn't suggest a generic OEM?

Alias

 

[Leythos]

You implied that compromised computers are the same as pirated ones.

No I said that WGA/WGAN could have problems if a computer is
compromised, I did not say that a compromised machine was the same as a
Pirated OS machine. You read into that statement what you wanted to
hear.

You prove it here when you say:

"Except that sheep get what they deserve, there has been enough hype on
TV/News/paper that people should know by now."

No, again, you read more into my exact statement than I said.

It hasn't been on the TV/News/paper in Spain and I know people in the
USA who do not know what WGA/N is, much less what to do about it. The
tech savvy crowd is MUCH smaller than the non tech savvy crowd and you
know it.

Yet, each of those people, unless completely stupid, knows that there
are nasty malware (viruses) in the world, attacking computers with
Windows on them, that they need to protect their computers from viruses,
and that they need to do maintenance on their computers, again, unless
the are completely stupid (even ignorance is smart enough to know they
have to maintain their machines).

Besides the point.

You said it was essential, just like MS did for WGAN, you can't have it
both ways with your statement.

See above.


You wouldn't suggest a generic OEM?

Depending on the solution needs I might suggest Retail, OEM, Volume
Licensing, Linux, etc... I can't make blanket statements based on the
question you asked.

 

[kurttrail]

No, that's what you want people to believe so that you can rant and
try and feel better. If I towed the MS line I would not be running
Linux, explaining how you can make the switch to Linux in many cases
(for a residential solution) without a lot of hassle, and I would be
more like Carey.

As a MS-Basher/Hater you are biased against the truth when it sides
with MS in any position.

And for good reason. MS is NOT a trustworthy corporation. It is a
proven IP infringer and a proven predatory monopolist.

I'll trust the word of people that haven't been proven to be liars,
cheaters, and stealers, over a soulless corporate criminal that has been
proven to be a liar, a cheater, and a stealer!

You may want to associate yourself with proven scumbags, but I don't.
But then again, aren't you a Republican too! ROFL!

See the difference between you and me is that I have real good reasons
for my bias, and am willing to explain it. You try to explain away your
bias.

You are buttboy for your criminal corporate masters. I am an advocate
for my fellow human beings, who have been screwed over by your corporate
masters.

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[George]

Yet, each of those people, unless completely stupid, knows that there
are nasty malware (viruses) in the world, attacking computers with
Windows on them, that they need to protect their computers from viruses,
and that they need to do maintenance on their computers, again, unless
the are completely stupid (even ignorance is smart enough to know they
have to maintain their machines).

So Leyhtos your grandma, grandpa, aunts, and uncles all know this right?
Because you being the smartest human being alive has shared that wealth of
knowledge you have right? I doubt it, as you truly sound like a true
dumba$$ in these threads!!!!

You see, I take exception to the fact that you call innocent people
dumba$$'$. You do realize that at one time in history this means you were a
dumba$$$ too, don't you. Oh wait, of course you do. Then why, since you
are as you put it so intelligent do you call newby's dumba$$'$ Poeple are
starting to learn computers every day and that makes them dumba$$'S
according to you?????

To be totally honest with you, you come across as a dumba$$ when you argue
for MS!!!!!!!!

George

P.S. If you ever get off of that stool you are on and listen to the bull
that spews out of your head you will see how ignorant you sound!!!! Good
luck with yourself

 

[-Alias-]

No I said that WGA/WGAN could have problems if a computer is
compromised, I did not say that a compromised machine was the same as a
Pirated OS machine. You read into that statement what you wanted to
hear.

No, you didn't. You said they deserve the same treatment. IOW, people
with compromised machines can get f*cked in your ego inflated opinion.

No, again, you read more into my exact statement than I said.

You said sheep get what they deserve. How can one interpret that as
something positive?

Yet, each of those people, unless completely stupid, knows that there
are nasty malware (viruses) in the world, attacking computers with
Windows on them, that they need to protect their computers from viruses,
and that they need to do maintenance on their computers, again, unless
the are completely stupid (even ignorance is smart enough to know they
have to maintain their machines).

You're wrong. I just cleaned up a computer with over 300 beasties on it
and the owner didn't have a clue. He didn't even know how to make a new
folder in Windows Explorer. He didn't know what an anti virus was or
what a firewall was. He did, however, need his computer for his job as a
stock broker. When computers are sold, you pay your money and they hand
you a computer. When I bought my first Pentium, I asked if they had
anything to explain Windows 95. Their answer was to tell me the name and
address of a book store.

You said it was essential, just like MS did for WGAN, you can't have it
both ways with your statement.

SP2 is beneficial for your computer. WGA/N is not.

Depending on the solution needs I might suggest Retail, OEM, Volume
Licensing, Linux, etc... I can't make blanket statements based on the
question you asked.

We were talking about XP, not Linux or Apple or anything else but you do
have the bad habit of changing the subject whenever you get cornered.
The pathetic thing about it is that everybody realizes it but you.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

See the difference between you and me is that I have real good reasons
for my bias, and am willing to explain it. You try to explain away your
bias.

I don't share your reasons, and I also don't believe in your reasons. I
do believe you are entitled to your opinion, even if I believe it's
wrong.

I don't have to explain "away" my bias as I don't have a bias, it makes
no difference to me if you or anyone uses MS products, I can design
solutions on any platform with any vendors products.

 

[Leythos]

To be totally honest with you, you come across as a dumba$$ when you argue
for MS!!!!!!!!

You post to a MS group, so you must have some vested interest in MS
products.

I don't have any problems with MS Products, they work as designed, as
stated, and they are very reliable. If people are too stupid to
understand what's going on with their devices, well, they should do like
zillions of people with things they don't understand, learn!

 

[-Alias-]

I can design
solutions on any platform with any vendors products.

Don't strain your arm patting yourself on the back.

Alias

 

[-Alias-]

You post to a MS group, so you must have some vested interest in MS
products.

I don't have any problems with MS Products, they work as designed, as
stated, and they are very reliable. If people are too stupid to
understand what's going on with their devices, well, they should do like
zillions of people with things they don't understand, learn!

Computers are confusing enough already without throwing a useless and
flawed piece of software like WGA/N into the picture that has NO benefit
for the end user whatsoever.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Computers are confusing enough already without throwing a useless and
flawed piece of software like WGA/N into the picture that has NO benefit
for the end user whatsoever.

I believe it has benefit, and you don't. I guess we're never going to
get past this, so I agree to disagree.

 

[kurttrail]

I don't share your reasons, and I also don't believe in your reasons.

You don't believe that courts around the world have ruled that MS is a
predatory monopoly?!

You don't believe that courts have ruled that MS is a patent infringer?!

But you still believe Iraq had massive piles of WMDs in pre-war 2003,
despite Bush own WMD inspectors coming to the conclusion that there
weren't!

Do you still believe the Earth is flat?!

I do believe you are entitled to your opinion, even if I believe it's
wrong.
ROFL!

I don't have to explain "away" my bias as I don't have a bias,

PMSL! Every opinion is biased in one way or another. You are just
lying to yourself by saying you don't have a bias.

it
makes no difference to me if you or anyone uses MS products, I can
design solutions on any platform with any vendors products.

LOL! You are a fool.

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