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DVDNITE DVD Rentals and Sales

Help! For the life of me, this has finally gotten to me. I've formatted
several times. All clean installs of windows xp on my computer.

1. low level format
2. once installed, install sp2 from cd
3. once sp2 installed enable automatic updates.
4. go directly to windows update

After number 4 my computer all of a sudden is "screwed" because of this
stupid SVCHOST eating 100% of the CPU.

What the hell is it doing this? If I don't install SP2, everything is OK.
This has never happened before when I formated my other 2 computers with
SP2.

What's with SVCHOST not allowing me to do anything anymore considering this
computer has a clean (formatted) install?
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "DVDNITE DVD Rentals and Sales" <[email protected]>

| Help! For the life of me, this has finally gotten to me. I've formatted
| several times. All clean installs of windows xp on my computer.
|
| 1. low level format
| 2. once installed, install sp2 from cd
| 3. once sp2 installed enable automatic updates.
| 4. go directly to windows update
|
| After number 4 my computer all of a sudden is "screwed" because of this
| stupid SVCHOST eating 100% of the CPU.
|
| What the hell is it doing this? If I don't install SP2, everything is OK.
| This has never happened before when I formated my other 2 computers with
| SP2.
|
| What's with SVCHOST not allowing me to do anything anymore considering this
| computer has a clean (formatted) install?
|

Do you have a WireLess network interface ?
 
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DVDNITE

No,

Just a regular pci ethernet card at the back. I could understand if this
computer is infected with spyware and viruses but it's not. It's a low level
brand new formatted.

Put windows xp disc in and re-boot. Then press any key to boot from CD and
do a complete format where I format using NTFS. I've been doing this for
years.

This SVCHOST is really, really p***ing me off! I feel like just installing
windows xp pro and say the hell with SP2 but doing that is just asking for
trouble.

Why is SVCHOST acting up before I can even go to windows update or even
microsoft update?
 
J

JS

From Ramesh's web site: http://windowsxp.mvps.org/svchost.htm
Also: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314056

To find out more about Svchost.exe entries try Process Explorer:
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html

Once you have Process Explorer installed and running:
Click/Expand the Svchost.exe process that you are interest in (the one that
eating up a the CPU time).
Then highlight one of the process listed under Svchost, right click and from
the options listed select: google
This should display what out there on the web about that process.

JS
 
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David H. Lipman

From: "DVDNITE" <[email protected]>

| No,
|
| Just a regular pci ethernet card at the back. I could understand if this
| computer is infected with spyware and viruses but it's not. It's a low level
| brand new formatted.
|
| Put windows xp disc in and re-boot. Then press any key to boot from CD and
| do a complete format where I format using NTFS. I've been doing this for
| years.
|
| This SVCHOST is really, really p***ing me off! I feel like just installing
| windows xp pro and say the hell with SP2 but doing that is just asking for
| trouble.
|
| Why is SVCHOST acting up before I can even go to windows update or even
| microsoft update?
|


I don't know but I am seeing more, and more, posts on this subject matter and I am looking
for a common denominator.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

DVDNITE said:
No,

Just a regular pci ethernet card at the back. I could understand if
this computer is infected with spyware and viruses but it's not. It's
a low level brand new formatted.


How do you know it's not? What firewall, anti-virus and anti-spyware
programs do you run? Has the system ever been connected to the internet
without them? Do you realize how short a time it takes to get infected?
 
T

thecreator

Hi DVDNite,

Question: Did you have any Firewall on, before you visited Windows Update? If you didn't, then you probably have gotten infected with a Virus. Having a Firewall on, is the best defense as well as Router. You only need an Anti-Virus program to remove any Viruses that get thru.

Question: Does your Taskbar ever delay appearing when you boot up your computer?
 
C

Conor

David H. Lipman said:
I don't know but I am seeing more, and more, posts on this subject matter and I am looking
for a common denominator.
I get it when browsing network shares.
 
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DVDNITE

These are my steps when I do a complete format

When I format, the computer is not connected to the internet. I have both
Windows XP Pro and SP2 each on a CD.

1. Place Windows XP Disc in tray and reboot machine.
2. Computer asks "Press any key to boot from CD
3. Go in and follow instructions to delete partition, create a new one again
then I format and re-install windows xp
4. Once installed (still not connected to the internet) I place SP2 and
install.
5. Once SP2 is installed I then connect to internet. (My computer is
connected behind a router - so that alone is a firewall in addition to
windows own firewall)
5. I go to windows update to update all other security issues since SP2.
While it's looking, the machine now takes forever. If I'm lucky I'm able to
get the task bar and see what's eating what. Guess what? SVCHOST is running
at 95 - 100%. With that happening, you pretty much can't do anything else.

I thought this is probably an anomaly so I did the procedure again (roughly
45 minutes) and again after SP2 is installed and I reconnect to windows
update the d**n SVCHOST is acting up again. My SP2 has been used with my
other 2 computers with no problem.

I don't think I can get infected after installing SP2 and the fact that I'm
behind a router

If everything went smoothly like my other 2, windows update would install
easily. From there I would install Zonealarm Security Suite Anti-virus and
Anti-Spyware with Firewall 6.5.737 (latest)

From there I would install everything else but the point is, I can't even go
to windows update without SVCHOST acting up. Aaaaaaaaargh! This is really,
really frustrating.

How I can I have a virus when I've just formatted my computer?????

This never used to happen, this 3rd computer is on a network with 2 others.
The other 2 have folders that are shared. The other 2 are clean (no viruses)
as they come. I don't play games, these are work computers. I don't uses IE
or click on emails left and right. I extremely computer savvy. My one
printer is also shared.

I do maintenance once a week on all these computers. I do disc cleanup, use
system mechanic 6, then perfect disk to defrag. Zone alarm security suite
once a week also automatically searches and removes spyware, trojans and
viruses and gives a detailed list of what it has removed and/or quarantined.
 
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Patrick Keenan

DVDNITE DVD Rentals and Sales said:
Help! For the life of me, this has finally gotten to me. I've formatted
several times. All clean installs of windows xp on my computer.

1. low level format
2. once installed, install sp2 from cd
3. once sp2 installed enable automatic updates.
4. go directly to windows update

After number 4 my computer all of a sudden is "screwed" because of this
stupid SVCHOST eating 100% of the CPU.

What the hell is it doing this? If I don't install SP2, everything is OK.
This has never happened before when I formated my other 2 computers with
SP2.

What's with SVCHOST not allowing me to do anything anymore considering
this computer has a clean (formatted) install?

SVCHOST is probably being launched by something else requesting its hosting
services. To solve the problem, you need to know what that something else
is. This is easy to find out with Process Explorer.
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html

HTH
-pk
 
J

JS

I would install Zone Alarm and your AV software before ever attempting to
connect to the Internet.
Then go to the Windows Update site and complete the installation.

JS

DVDNITE said:
These are my steps when I do a complete format

When I format, the computer is not connected to the internet. I have both
Windows XP Pro and SP2 each on a CD.

1. Place Windows XP Disc in tray and reboot machine.
2. Computer asks "Press any key to boot from CD
3. Go in and follow instructions to delete partition, create a new one
again then I format and re-install windows xp
4. Once installed (still not connected to the internet) I place SP2 and
install.
5. Once SP2 is installed I then connect to internet. (My computer is
connected behind a router - so that alone is a firewall in addition to
windows own firewall)
5. I go to windows update to update all other security issues since SP2.
While it's looking, the machine now takes forever. If I'm lucky I'm able
to get the task bar and see what's eating what. Guess what? SVCHOST is
running at 95 - 100%. With that happening, you pretty much can't do
anything else.

I thought this is probably an anomaly so I did the procedure again
(roughly 45 minutes) and again after SP2 is installed and I reconnect to
windows update the d**n SVCHOST is acting up again. My SP2 has been used
with my other 2 computers with no problem.

I don't think I can get infected after installing SP2 and the fact that
I'm behind a router

If everything went smoothly like my other 2, windows update would install
easily. From there I would install Zonealarm Security Suite Anti-virus and
Anti-Spyware with Firewall 6.5.737 (latest)

From there I would install everything else but the point is, I can't even
go to windows update without SVCHOST acting up. Aaaaaaaaargh! This is
really, really frustrating.

How I can I have a virus when I've just formatted my computer?????

This never used to happen, this 3rd computer is on a network with 2
others. The other 2 have folders that are shared. The other 2 are clean
(no viruses) as they come. I don't play games, these are work computers. I
don't uses IE or click on emails left and right. I extremely computer
savvy. My one printer is also shared.

I do maintenance once a week on all these computers. I do disc cleanup,
use system mechanic 6, then perfect disk to defrag. Zone alarm security
suite once a week also automatically searches and removes spyware, trojans
and viruses and gives a detailed list of what it has removed and/or
quarantined.
 
E

e.fabene

Try keeping a shell and task manager open while windows update is in
progress (open them before launching it if the machine is too slow
afterwhile). Take note of the pid of the offending svchost and then run
TASKLIST /SVC at the prompt of the shell. Find the svchost instance
with the pid you took note of, and you will see which services run
inside that given svchost. Try again, this time, shutting down in
advance those non essential services that appeared in the list. If it
still locks up post the services names here. With that information
maybe someone will be able to point you in the right direction.

Hope that helps

Bye

DVDNITE DVD Rentals and Sales ha scritto:
 
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Pop`

DVDNITE said:
Help! For the life of me, this has finally gotten to me. I've
formatted several times. All clean installs of windows xp on my
computer.
1. low level format
2. once installed, install sp2 from cd
3. once sp2 installed enable automatic updates.
4. go directly to windows update

After number 4 my computer all of a sudden is "screwed" because of
this stupid SVCHOST eating 100% of the CPU.

What the hell is it doing this? If I don't install SP2, everything is
OK. This has never happened before when I formated my other 2
computers with SP2.

What's with SVCHOST not allowing me to do anything anymore
considering this computer has a clean (formatted) install?

From various parts of this thread, you seem to have your router/net
connected while you're doing the rebuild. Don't do that.

Disconnect your switch/gateway/router/whatever, along with all USB
devices; all peripherals on the computer.

Now do another CD full install, starting right from deleting/recreating
the partition.
Start from a Cold, Powered-Down, power completely off state (not just the
computer switch turned off), and boot from the CD.

If you spot a service host eating up a lot of cpu time, give it 5 minutes
before you decide something's gone wrong.

Install everything up to and including SP2, firewall, antivirus, and
spyware. Yes, I know you have a router, but do all this first anyway. If
you use a HOSTS file, copy it in too.
NOW go online and start letting the windows updates start to come in
automatically. At the same time, start updating your antivirus, firewall
and spyware programs.

If you spot a service host eating up a lot of cpu time, give it 5 minutes
before you decide something's gone wrong.

I've been thru this a couple times myself and it's usually the LAN or
internet connection that's letting things get hung up. Keep them out of hte
picture completely until you absolutely must have them. IME it was the LAN
causing the problems, and another time it was a printer, believe it or not,
but I tend to limit troubleshooting of these things because of hte long boot
times one ends up with.

When all is working, regmon with its registry optimizer from sysinternals
and uphclean's from MS are two good utilities I also use; they help
immenseley when you know you have several more Restarts coming<g> as you
continue the rebuild.
Do NOT skip REstarts when they're offered. That's a good way to create
conflicts that are hard to track down.

HTH,
Pop`

PS - what do you mean when you say "low level" format? If you're not
letting the XP CD do the partition deletion/recreation and formatting,
there's no telling what's being overwritten and what's not. It's very
unusual to be able to "low level format" a modern drive.

I assume, from your descriptions, that you do NOT have slipstreamed CD's for
any of this, right?
 
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DVDNITE

I'm in the process of doing this (and thanks to all that have replied) again
from scratch. This time...the other 2 computers are completely disconnected
from the router (no internet for them or network for that matter). Once SP2
is installed, I will also install my Zonealarm Security Suite then...I'll
connect this single computer back to my router (the others are still no
connected) and proceed with AV and AS definition updates. Hopefully since
Automatic Updates is enabled, the little yellow icon on the bottom right
will download all security updates.

From my experience, it's just way faster to go to windows update directly
instead of waiting for it to update itself.

What I meant by low level is exactly how you described it. By letting
windows delete and create a new partition. Some people (not myself)
overwrite by using the repair windows function or using windows xp disc to
upgrade ontop of windows2000, 98SE, ME....etc. I prefer to always boot from
the xp disc and start from scratch.

I'm not sure what you mean by slipstreamed CD's? I have a retail copy of
Windows XP Pro for this computer. SP2, which I downloaded the (Windows XP
SP2 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals and Developers) copy
which is 266MB's from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...BE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en
Microsoft's website. From there, I burnt this 266MB file onto a CD. Again
much, much easier that going to windowsupdate and wait for all the updates
then SP2.
 
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Pop`

DVDNITE said:
I'm in the process of doing this (and thanks to all that have
replied) again from scratch. This time...the other 2 computers are
completely disconnected from the router (no internet for them or
network for that matter).

True of the problem machine too, right? Looks like it, but it's not clearly
stated IMO. Be certain there are no external connections other than your
mouse/keyboard,monitor. The idea it to be minimalist and bring them online
one at a time so you can catch the problem as it reoccurs. IF, and assuming
it does, reoccur.

Once SP2 is installed, I will also install
my Zonealarm Security Suite then...I'll connect this single computer
back to my router (the others are still no connected) and proceed
with AV and AS definition updates. Hopefully since Automatic Updates
is enabled, the little yellow icon on the bottom right will download
all security updates.
From my experience, it's just way faster to go to windows update
directly instead of waiting for it to update itself.

True, and probably not a problem if you do, but ... It does allow you to
skip some updates that way, but ... when in doubt, I'd say try the least
likely to get bad data route; which IME at least, is the auto functions. If
you get something you don't personally want, you can always uninstall it
later on when everything's known to be working. Then if something quits, or
goes to 100%, you'll be more sure of what it is.
Ideally, actually downloading the updates to disk and installing them
from disk is my preferred method, but ... it gets to be quite a hassle
sometimes. I wouldn't recommend it here.
What I meant by low level is exactly how you described it. By letting
windows delete and create a new partition. Some people (not myself)
overwrite by using the repair windows function or using windows xp
disc to upgrade ontop of windows2000, 98SE, ME....etc. I prefer to
always boot from the xp disc and start from scratch.

Wise move. If you've been deleting/recreating partitions, then it just
about has to be something in your system creating the confusion. I hate to
say it, but my money at the moment is going to be on your LAN/Router apps
fighting over something during the overall process.
I'm not sure what you mean by slipstreamed CD's? I have a retail copy
of Windows XP Pro for this computer. SP2, which I downloaded the
(Windows XP SP2 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals and
Developers) copy which is 266MB's from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...BE-3B8E-4F30-8245-9E368D3CDB5A&displaylang=en
Microsoft's website. From there, I burnt this 266MB file onto a CD.
Again much, much easier that going to windowsupdate and wait for all
the updates then SP2.

Yeah! I did the same with SP2. In fact, I ordered their free (at the time)
CD of SP2. But, this begs the question, since you donwloaded it:
IS there any corruption on it? Does the machine you have the trouble
with, have any hardware/whatever that's different from the other machines
and which SP2 might be having the issues with? There ARE SP2 compatability
issues, but none that I've heard of that would show up as you have
described. I think you said you had a Gateway? Far as I know, no
problems there. Then again I'm no guru either, so ... <g>
Do you have another copy of SP2 that you could do a CRC or Hash check
comparison? Might be worth a look-see if the problem still persists after
all this work you're doing.

SLIPSTREAMING is simply using a specialized program to put, say, SP2 and all
or most of its following hot fixes onto a DVD so they can all be
automatigically installed. They're a lot of work to assemble and get to
work right. Mostly monkey-work, but work. There are several freebies that
will let you create slipstreamed DVDs. But I don't think that's relevant at
the moment.

Best of luck,

Pop`
 
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DVDNITE

Well after doing another clean install with the computer all by itself...the
SVCHOST is still acting up.

This time, I've installed Process explorer. SP2 installed, ZONE ALARM
Security Suite with all AV and AS definitions installed then directly to
windows update.

It searching again forever with SVCHOST taking up 56% of the CPU with the
remaing 33% by internet explorer (which I need to connect to windows update)
with the rest being services.exe PID 624.

The pain in the butt SVCHOST is PID 912 Services. Don't know what to do
anymore.
 
J

JS

Did you turn the Indexing Service off?

JS

DVDNITE said:
Well after doing another clean install with the computer all by
itself...the SVCHOST is still acting up.

This time, I've installed Process explorer. SP2 installed, ZONE ALARM
Security Suite with all AV and AS definitions installed then directly to
windows update.

It searching again forever with SVCHOST taking up 56% of the CPU with the
remaing 33% by internet explorer (which I need to connect to windows
update) with the rest being services.exe PID 624.

The pain in the butt SVCHOST is PID 912 Services. Don't know what to do
anymore.
 

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