Sun Java RTE v1.4.2 IE plug-in crash-and-burn Windows XP Pro SP-1

[Bloke at the pennine puddle (Replace n.a.v.d with]

To save typing out the same thing all over again, anyone got a
solution to what I describe below?

Tried posting to some of the Microsoft Java groups but those groups
are dead, and it seems that Sun Microsystems don't want to help.

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|
| I am experiencing a major problem the Sun Java RTE (run-time
environment) v1.4.2 which is a free download running on a correctly
patched version of Windows XP Professional.
|
| I was advised to send a message to this e-mail address after calling
the telephone Technical support number located at:
| https://osc-emea.eu.sun.com/OSCSW/Help/contact_us.html
|
| The issue is that some web sites will not only lock-up the browser,
but will also make the entire computer unstable with the only option
remaining is to press the computer's reset switch. The `Explorer`
task will also lock-up which makes the desktop and task-bar
crash-and-burn. The issue is not random. I'm managed to find a
situation where I can crash the browser and computer at the same time
every single time. The fault is not just limited to Easily's web site
(http://easily.co.uk/) but to other sites too.
|
| If I disable all Java plug-ins then I van access the sites, but no
Java functionality. I have scoured the Interent and managed to obtain
the most latest build of Microsoft's Java VM and installed that, of
which when using the Microsoft Java VM and plug-in everything works
fine.
|
| I have found that once I have enabled Sun's Java plug-in, disabling
it from the control panel applet is not enough. I have to run the
Microsoft's Java VM installation package to get full Java
functionality returned. (
| I am experiencing a major problem the Sun Java RTE (run-time
environment) v1.4.2 which is a free download running on a correctly
patched version of Windows XP Professional.
|
| I was advised to send a message to this e-mail address after calling
the telephone Technical support number located at:
| https://osc-emea.eu.sun.com/OSCSW/Help/contact_us.html
|
| The issue is that some web sites will not only lock-up the browser,
but will also make the entire computer unstable with the only option
remaining is to press the computer's reset switch. The `Explorer`
task will also lock-up which makes the desktop and task-bar
crash-and-burn. The issue is not random. I'm managed to find a
situation where I can crash the browser and computer at the same time
every single time. The fault is not just limited to Easily's web site
(http://easily.co.uk/) but to other sites too.
|
| If I disable all Java plug-ins then I van access the sites, but no
Java functionality. I have scoured the Interent and managed to obtain
the most latest build of Microsoft's Java VM and installed that, of
which when using the Microsoft Java VM and plug-in everything works
fine.
|
| (java VM build 3810 for Windows XP-2000-95-98-Me-NT4.0)
| http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=14964
|
| Strange as it is, I went to the Windows Update Catalog and got the
full re-distributable runtime, which is 5,319,000 bytes long.
|
| I have found that once I have enabled Sun's Java plug-in, disabling
it from the control panel applet is not enough. I have to run the
Microsoft's Java VM installation package to get full Java
functionality returned.
|
| Please, I hope someone can help as (and I'm not getting at Sun
Corp.) I am experiencing a horrendous time getting support for this
issue.
|
| I have also sent a fault report to Easily's technical support
department and it may be an advantage to you if I quote the same text
as I sent to Easily.
|
| If anything this bug's result is the same as a denial-of-service by
a virus, but I can guarantee that this affected computer HAS NOT had
malware or a virus on it. I'm not a careless computer user. My job
at my employer is an I.T. administrator and troubleshooter.
|
| ==================
|
| I have the latest Sun Java RTE v1.4.2 (fully updated) and whenever I
click the `E` icon to changed e-mail forwarding options, the browser
and computer becomes unstable in a very nasty way. The `IEXPLORE.EXE`
process refuses to terminate and screws also screws up the
`EXPLORER.EXE` process. Computer will not shut down and I have to
press the computer's reset button.
|
| This fault is 100% repeatable.
|
| I have uninstalled, cleaned out and reinstalled the Sun Java RTE
countless number of times and also performed the necessary actions to
successfully re-install Internet Explorer 6 SP-1 and re-apply all the
patches. That didn't cure it.
|
| The work-around I have implemented is to remove the Sun Java plug-in
from Internet explorer and install the most latest Microsoft Java VM.
With the Microsoft Java VM I do not experience the crash-and-burn
problem when clicking on the `E` option to access e-mail forwarding
options.
|
| This is not random. By knocking off the MS VM and re-enabling the
Sun Java RTE plug-in, the problem returns.
|
| Nothing is logged or shown anywhere indicating what code or event
caused the crash.
|
| Before you suggest it, re-formatting and re-installing is NOT an
option open to me.
|
| I don't know what's causing this crash-and-burn fault, I just know
it happens and I know that Microsoft's Java VM seems to be immune from
the fault's `trigger`.
|
| That's the best fault description I can conjure up for you as I've
currently spent about 3 days trying to determine the cause of the
fault and find the common trigger before reporting it to Easily.
|
| ==================
|
|
|
| Please, I hope someone can help as (and I'm not getting at Sun
Corp.) I am experiencing a horrendous time getting support for this
issue.
|
| I have also sent a fault report to Easily's technical support
department and it may be an advantage to you if I quote the same text
as I sent to Easily.
|
| If anything this bug's result is the same as a denial-of-service by
a virus, but I can guarantee that this affected computer HAS NOT had
malware or a virus on it. I'm not a careless computer user. My job
at my employer is an I.T. administrator and troubleshooter.
|
| ==================
|
| | I have the latest Sun Java RTE v1.4.2 (fully updated) and whenever
I click the `E` icon to changed e-mail forwarding options, the browser
and computer becomes unstable in a very nasty way. The `IEXPLORE.EXE`
process refuses to terminate and screws also screws up the
`EXPLORER.EXE` process. Computer will not shut down and I have to
press the computer's reset button.
|
| This fault is 100% repeatable.
|
| I have uninstalled, cleaned out and reinstalled the Sun Java RTE
countless number of times and also performed the necessary actions to
successfully re-install Internet Explorer 6 SP-1 and re-apply all the
patches. That didn't cure it.
|
| The work-around I have implemented is to remove the Sun Java plug-in
from Internet explorer and install the most latest Microsoft Java VM.
With the Microsoft Java VM I do not experience the crash-and-burn
problem when clicking on the `E` option to access e-mail forwarding
options.
|
| This is not random. By knocking off the MS VM and re-enabling the
Sun Java RTE plug-in, the problem returns.
|
| Nothing is logged or shown anywhere indicating what code or event
caused the crash.
|
| Before you suggest it, re-formatting and re-installing is NOT an
option open to me.
|
| I don't know what's causing this crash-and-burn fault, I just know
it happens and I know that Microsoft's Java VM seems to be immune from
the fault's `trigger`.
|
| That's the best fault description I can conjure up for you as I've
currently spent about 3 days trying to determine the cause of the
fault and find the common trigger before reporting it to Easily.
|
| ==================
|
------------------------------

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Bloke at the pennine puddle :- )


Try the following and see if it helps.

How to Troubleshoot Java Problems in Internet Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;168806

You can try updating your scripting engine. The latest scripting engine can
be found at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp

(98, ME, NT4.0) For 2000 and XP go to
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...43-7e4b-4622-86eb-95a22b832caa&DisplayLang=en

Also..................

Courtesy of Jim Byrd:

You can test whether Java is working on your machine at the
following sites:

http://www.pocoso.de/pocoso052.html
http://www.clan.lib.ri.us/clan/javatest.html
http://www.fitwise.com/testjava.asp (both 1.0 and 1.1 and what's installed)
http://coglab.wadsworth.com/support/browsercheck.html
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/webct/browser_detect.html

There is good information concerning all aspects of the Java situation here:
http://www.javatester.org/installing.html

Be aware, however, that after Dec 31, 2007, MS will apparently no longer be
distributing Java or providing any support for Java including security
fixes. See here: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/ so you might want
to start thinking about the future.

You can get the Sun Java J2SE RunTimes or SDK here:
http://java.sun.com/downloads/index.html (all versions - select using the
dropdown)

Sun also offers an automatic download and install of the 1.4 Java plug-in
here: http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.html

For the MS Java VM, you may need to install v.3805 or v.3809 prior to
upgrading to v. 3810 if you didn't previous have MS Java v. 3805 or 3809
installed.

If your OS is Win2000 SP2, SP3 but NOT SP4 then you can download and install
the MS Java VM v. 3809 from here:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._510A502BA8F9B6F19230BB2BCCE87D5474AC9DCD.exe
or here:
http://www.biologylab.awlonline.com...icrosoft.Q810030_W2K_SP4_5849/Q810030_W2K.exe

For Win2000 SP4, you'll need to re-install v.3805, from here:
http://www.download.support.safetec.net/msjavx86/msjavx86.exe
http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/msjavx86.exe

For all other OS's:

Download and install the MS Java VM v. 3809 from one of the links here:
http://ftp.idilis.ro/windows/sp/jvm98/msjavwu.exe, or here:
http://secinfo.huji.ac.il/patches/Win-xp/msjavwu.exe

Then upgrade to v. 3810:

For all OS's except Win2kSP4 obtain v. 3810 here:
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1050022631 ,or here:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m...l/MSJavWU_8073687b82d41db93f4c2a04af2b34d.exe

For Win2k - SP2, SP3 - you can also obtain v. 3810 from Microsoft here:
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...-9b18-423356321682/Q816093_W2K_SP4_X86_EN.exe

For Win2kSP4, to get 3810 from Microsoft you now have to get Q816093 from
Windows Update Catalog - use the entry for Windows 2000 SP4 (this seems to
be the only Win2k option that has it) and then find 816093 in the list. You
can find directions for using the Windows Update Catalog functions here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;323166. (I am
informed by Torgeir Bakken, MVP, that if you rename the downloaded file from
here: http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1050022631 to
msjavwu.exe it will then also work for SP4.)

Both Java VM's can co-exist on your machine quite nicely. Just select which
one you want to use in Tools|Internet Options|Advanced and restart all IE
browsers. Here, courtesy of Michel Gallant, MVP Security, is a tiny utility
which allows you to toggle and view status of your current
Java VM vendor associated with IE:
http://www.jensign.com/JavaScience/SelectIEJVM/index.html

A note from Mitch Gallant:

"One note about the JVM Selector utility: If/when you install a new
version of Sun J2SE, you need to manually
select to have Sun JVM as default JVM for IE (in install), or after install
via the JavaPlugin control panel. This generates the necessary win32
registry entries, which must be present for the utility to know about
JavaPlugin. After that, the utility should work properly."

MSJVM Transition FAQ
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/faq.asp

or.....................

1. You might want to refresh your scripting engine:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/nhp/default.asp?contentid=28001169
or
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/downloads/list/webdev.asp
Windows Script 5.6 for Windows 2000 and XP
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...43-7e4b-4622-86eb-95a22b832caa&DisplayLang=en

Sometimes there's a corrupt file in the cache and one must go to Tools |
Internet Options and click Delete Files.

2a. Start>Run>Regsvr32 vbscript.dll

2b. Start>Run>Regsvr32 jscript.dll

(WinXP users who have problems with 2a and 2b, see
http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/answers_9.htm)

3. Re-register all DLLs listed in http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=281679

4. See also
Error Message When You Browse the Web: An Error Has Occurred in the Script
on This Page
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=306831
Scripting Errors When You View Web Pages in Internet Explorer after
Installing Office 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=822521

5a. IE Tools>Internet Options>Advanced>Browsing>Enable third-party browser
extensions (uncheck & reboot).

5b. Find the hijacker that caused 5a to be checked (or if none were checked,
check for hijackware anyway):

Dealing with Hijackware
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://www.mvps.org/inetexplorer/Darnit.htm


Hope this helps.

Jan

 

[Bloke at the pennine puddle (Replace n.a.v.d with]

Thanks, but unfortunatly the standard script does not address this
problem, but it's good to know.

You're on about the Microsoft VM. It's the Sun Java plug-in for
Internet Explorer 6 that's goofing up. It must screw up bad as not
only does it kill the browser, it quickly eats and kills the operating
system too.

Actually, it seems that the operating system continues to work, but
the GUI part of it goes a very horrible death.

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Bloke

Thanks, but unfortunatly the standard script does not address this
problem, but it's good to know.

You're on about the Microsoft VM. It's the Sun Java plug-in for
Internet Explorer 6 that's goofing up. It must screw up bad as not
only does it kill the browser, it quickly eats and kills the operating
system too.

Actually, it seems that the operating system continues to work, but
the GUI part of it goes a very horrible death.

I'm puzzled, as I have the same v1.4.2 plug-in on my system, and have no
problems. However, I have IE6 SP1 installed. I'm wondering if that makes
the difference. Perhaps not, but, I have all the Java stuff too, and I don't
have any problem with it at all. I don't mean to repeat myself, but, have
you made sure the Use Javexxx is checked in the Tools | Internet Explorer |
Advanced, Under Java Use section? Just a thought. I'm trying to figure out
why I am not experiencing the same problem. You have WinXP, and I have
WinME, but, not sure that should come into play. But, I am not that
familiar yet with all the fussies of XP. But, perhaps there is a difference
between the IE6 and IE6 SP1 in how the Java app works. Or do you also have
the IE6 SP1?

Here's another thought. Might as well cover it all.

Java applets don't work
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/answers3.htm#java

Other than that, and if does not work, I suggest that you uninstall and
reinstall the Java and start fresh with a clean install. Uninstall from the
Add/Remove in the Control Panel. Then run the Search for Java and remove the
folders and such for the Java program so that it has to create new folders
and other files and won't merely copy over any leave overs. Just be mindful
not to delete anything related to the Win VM. See if that helps. If
there was a bad install for some reason, then a fresh, clean install is
required.

NOTE: Disable your firewall and AV while installing, especially if you have
Norton or McAfee products, to be sure all goes properly. Java does not
fancy having to share during it's arrival sometimes. <g>

Hoping this will help.

Jan

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Bloke at the pennine puddle

Another thought, if you have SpywareBlaster installed, be sure you have
Flash Killer unchecked - Open SpywareBlaster - Tools - Click on Flash Killer
then uncheck "Switch off Flash Player" or in v3.1 it's Disable and block
Macromedia Flash (4X 5X & 6X) in Internet Explore.

HTH

Jan

 

[Bloke at the pennine puddle (Replace n.a.v.d with]

Reply interwoven . . .

Hi Bloke


I'm puzzled, as I have the same v1.4.2 plug-in on my system, and have no
problems. However, I have IE6 SP1 installed. I'm wondering if that makes
the difference. Perhaps not, but, I have all the Java stuff too, and I don't
have any problem with it at all. I don't mean to repeat myself, but, have
you made sure the Use Javexxx is checked in the Tools | Internet Explorer |
Advanced, Under Java Use section? Just a thought. I'm trying to figure out
why I am not experiencing the same problem. You have WinXP, and I have
WinME, but, not sure that should come into play. But, I am not that
familiar yet with all the fussies of XP. But, perhaps there is a difference
between the IE6 and IE6 SP1 in how the Java app works. Or do you also have
the IE6 SP1?

Internet Explorer 6 SP-1. Windows XP SP-1. Fully patched up with
Windows update.

What complicates things is that I've got another computer by the side
of me that has Windows XP SP-2_RC2 and the Java plug-in works fine.

When it comes to Service pack 2, what I might do is slip-stream the
release version of SP2 and create a WinXP SP2 CD then instead of
installing service pack 2, I may perform an in-place upgrade with the
new WinXP SP2 CD.

I am truly lost with this issue, but I don't have the comfort of
backing up all my documents and settings (which are backed up
regardless) and then wiping it all clean.

Actually, if I did that and got my machine to the level I require it,
I could risk re-introducing the problem and then I would really be
pissed as to do a total blank and re-install would take me about 3
weeks. Why three weeks? I got to do the job my boss is paying me to
do and my ability to work from home would be crippled.

A blank-it and re-install from fresh is way out of the question.

Here's another thought. Might as well cover it all.

Java applets don't work
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/answers3.htm#java

Other than that, and if does not work, I suggest that you uninstall and
reinstall the Java and start fresh with a clean install. Uninstall from the
Add/Remove in the Control Panel. Then run the Search for Java and remove the
folders and such for the Java program so that it has to create new folders
and other files and won't merely copy over any leave overs. Just be mindful
not to delete anything related to the Win VM. See if that helps. If
there was a bad install for some reason, then a fresh, clean install is
required.

I lost count how many times I've stripped the Sun Java JRE, and I mean
`stripped`. I maede sure that EVERYTHING I could find to do with Sun
Java was removed from the system before performing a re-install.

NOTE: Disable your firewall and AV while installing, especially if you have
Norton or McAfee products, to be sure all goes properly. Java does not
fancy having to share during it's arrival sometimes. <g>

Did that.

 

[Bloke at the pennine puddle (Replace n.a.v.d with]

I don't use SpywareBlaster. I'm an ever so careful user with quite a
number of years of technical experience. I'm not just fresh out of a
college or university. My technical and trouble-shooting experience
is quite mature.

USually I find that when I really get stumped then it will be a coding
fault somewhere and whatever it will be, I for sure won't have access
to any source code to examine or debug.

It's now just after 1am in the UK and I'm just about flushed. For the
moment I'm surviving because I can disable the Sun Java plug-in and
use Microsoft's VM, which works perfectly, but that is a compromise.

It would be better to have the problem sorted.

The fault is not random. I can re-create the steps that screw up
Windwows XP.

Strangly enough the last time the computer hung I yet again selected
`Shutdown`, but this time I avoided punching the reset-button after a
5 minute wait. I loaded up PROCXP from SysInternals and noticed that
processes were shutting down, but VERY SLOWLY.

After about 10 to 15 minutes the process explorer terminated and I was
presented with a desktop. Another 10 minutes all the icons
dissapeared and just the desktop background was shown.

About anoother 8 minutes the small dialogue box appeared showing that
the system shut down was in progress.

I would say (as I didn't have the stop-watch running) that it took my
computer about 30 to 35 minutes to actually shut-down Windows XP and
power-off.

Now, you would think that there would be a process or three that would
be maxing out the CPU at 100% causing a slow shut down. Not so.
During shutdown the process utilisation is at about 5% or lower. I
got this while PROCXP was running.

Something about the set-up of my computer has triggered a very nasty
bug within the Sun JRE of which the result is just as bad as a worm or
virus performing a denial-of-service attack.

It's annoying, as is trying to get a decent response from Sun. I've
started to get some ball rolling, but this seems to have stalled,
possibly.

The important thing here is that I very firmly beleive this is not a
Microsoft VM problem so I think it's safe to say that all the
Microsoft related solutions are just about useless.

If you have any other ideas, I would love to know.

It's inconvenient, but the other WinXP computer still works and if I
really need to I can use that to access a web site that refuses to
work with the Microsoft VM, and that does not mean that the problem is
fixed! Far from it.

Thanks for all the assistance you've provided to date.

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Bloke at the pennine puddle

Response In line.....

I don't use SpywareBlaster. I'm an ever so careful user with quite a
number of years of technical experience. I'm not just fresh out of a
college or university. My technical and trouble-shooting experience
is quite mature.

I ony mentioned the SpywareBlaster, as it is a popular program used by many,
and some don't realize that it can influence issues with some settings in
place. It was just another thought to eliminate that as a possibility. I'm
sure glad to hear you are a careful user.

USually I find that when I really get stumped then it will be a coding
fault somewhere and whatever it will be, I for sure won't have access
to any source code to examine or debug.

It's now just after 1am in the UK and I'm just about flushed. For the
moment I'm surviving because I can disable the Sun Java plug-in and
use Microsoft's VM, which works perfectly, but that is a compromise.

It would be better to have the problem sorted.

The fault is not random. I can re-create the steps that screw up
Windwows XP.

Strangly enough the last time the computer hung I yet again selected
`Shutdown`, but this time I avoided punching the reset-button after a
5 minute wait. I loaded up PROCXP from SysInternals and noticed that
processes were shutting down, but VERY SLOWLY.

After about 10 to 15 minutes the process explorer terminated and I was
presented with a desktop. Another 10 minutes all the icons
dissapeared and just the desktop background was shown.

About anoother 8 minutes the small dialogue box appeared showing that
the system shut down was in progress.

I would say (as I didn't have the stop-watch running) that it took my
computer about 30 to 35 minutes to actually shut-down Windows XP and
power-off.

Now, you would think that there would be a process or three that would
be maxing out the CPU at 100% causing a slow shut down. Not so.
During shutdown the process utilisation is at about 5% or lower. I
got this while PROCXP was running.

Something about the set-up of my computer has triggered a very nasty
bug within the Sun JRE of which the result is just as bad as a worm or
virus performing a denial-of-service attack.

It's annoying, as is trying to get a decent response from Sun. I've
started to get some ball rolling, but this seems to have stalled,
possibly.

The important thing here is that I very firmly beleive this is not a
Microsoft VM problem so I think it's safe to say that all the
Microsoft related solutions are just about useless.

If you have any other ideas, I would love to know.

It's inconvenient, but the other WinXP computer still works and if I
really need to I can use that to access a web site that refuses to
work with the Microsoft VM, and that does not mean that the problem is
fixed! Far from it.

Thanks for all the assistance you've provided to date.

Try the site below and scroll down to the section SHUTDOWN WORKS, BUT IT'S
REAL SLOW:
http://aumha.org/win5/a/shtdwnxp.php

As to your slow closure, this seems to be an established issue with XP, as
there are numerous posts in newsgroups and forums regarding this problem .
There are several known solutions that have worked listed in the section.
Hopefully, the information may provide some help with the speed and shut
down time.

Another thought, if you have not already done so, is disabling the "clear
page file" at shut down.

As for the Java situation, if you haven't already done so, I would still
suggest a uninstall and clean reinstall of all the Java programs to see if
there is a file that may have become corrupted somewhere. Other than that,
I am not sure I have any other ideas on the cure for the problem, but,
perhaps someone else here may have some information that will help. It does
seem to be something that is giving the machine a belly ache, sooo....what
did you feed it lately? ))

In that, did you install anything at the time the problem started, or did it
only begin as soon as the plug-in was installed?

Jan

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Bloke at the pennine puddle

I don't use SpywareBlaster. I'm an ever so careful user with quite a
number of years of technical experience. I'm not just fresh out of a
college or university. My technical and trouble-shooting experience
is quite mature.

USually I find that when I really get stumped then it will be a coding
fault somewhere and whatever it will be, I for sure won't have access
to any source code to examine or debug.

It's now just after 1am in the UK and I'm just about flushed. For the
moment I'm surviving because I can disable the Sun Java plug-in and
use Microsoft's VM, which works perfectly, but that is a compromise.

It would be better to have the problem sorted.

The fault is not random. I can re-create the steps that screw up
Windwows XP.

Strangly enough the last time the computer hung I yet again selected
`Shutdown`, but this time I avoided punching the reset-button after a
5 minute wait. I loaded up PROCXP from SysInternals and noticed that
processes were shutting down, but VERY SLOWLY.

After about 10 to 15 minutes the process explorer terminated and I was
presented with a desktop. Another 10 minutes all the icons
dissapeared and just the desktop background was shown.

About anoother 8 minutes the small dialogue box appeared showing that
the system shut down was in progress.

I would say (as I didn't have the stop-watch running) that it took my
computer about 30 to 35 minutes to actually shut-down Windows XP and
power-off.

Now, you would think that there would be a process or three that would
be maxing out the CPU at 100% causing a slow shut down. Not so.
During shutdown the process utilisation is at about 5% or lower. I
got this while PROCXP was running.

Something about the set-up of my computer has triggered a very nasty
bug within the Sun JRE of which the result is just as bad as a worm or
virus performing a denial-of-service attack.

It's annoying, as is trying to get a decent response from Sun. I've
started to get some ball rolling, but this seems to have stalled,
possibly.

The important thing here is that I very firmly beleive this is not a
Microsoft VM problem so I think it's safe to say that all the
Microsoft related solutions are just about useless.

If you have any other ideas, I would love to know.

It's inconvenient, but the other WinXP computer still works and if I
really need to I can use that to access a web site that refuses to
work with the Microsoft VM, and that does not mean that the problem is
fixed! Far from it.

Thanks for all the assistance you've provided to date.

Here is a bit more information that might help with the slow shutdown.

Courtesy of Kelly:

Power Off or Reboot After Shutdown (Line 76)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

This edit automatically ends tasks and timeouts that prevent programs from
shutting down and clears the Paging File on Exit.

Auto End Tasks to Enable a Proper Shutdown (Line 76)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Shutdown.Exe - Andrej Budja (Line 52)
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

Hope this helps.

Jan

 

[Bloke at the pennine puddle (Replace n.a.v.d with]

Thanks for the extra info, but the shut-down and power-off is not the
issue. When the Java plug-in messes up, it takes a long time for XP
to shut down, but it does shut down. The Java plugin should NOT
mess-up in the first place.

If you remove the Sun Java plug-in from the equation then there are no
shut-down issues on my computer.

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Bloke at the pennine puddle

Thanks for the extra info, but the shut-down and power-off is not the
issue. When the Java plug-in messes up, it takes a long time for XP
to shut down, but it does shut down. The Java plugin should NOT
mess-up in the first place.

If you remove the Sun Java plug-in from the equation then there are no
shut-down issues on my computer.

Then it obviously is something in the system that is not accepting the
plug-in, and I am afraid that is beyond my realm of expertise. I can suggest
that you repost your question, fully stating the exact problem in detail,
and perhaps someone else here with more knowledge in that field will be able
to help you. Be sure and let them know what you have done thus far, having
already run the normal course of programs, so that you, nor they, will waste
time on repeating what you've already done. Plus it will help others narrow
down the possible area of the problem.

I hope you are able to resolve the problem soon. And that you will post
back what helped resolve the problem for us, and for the benefit of other
readers who might run into a similar problem.

I wish you good luck.

Jan

 

[Bloke at the pennine puddle (Replace n.a.v.d with]

At the rate I'm going at, I don't think I'll ever get a solution. I'm
still save until a little into 2007 as then Microsoft totally abandon
their Java VM. Pity, as it works.

 

[Jan Il]

Hi Bloke at the pennine puddle

At the rate I'm going at, I don't think I'll ever get a solution. I'm
still save until a little into 2007 as then Microsoft totally abandon
their Java VM. Pity, as it works.

I truly wish I could be of more help, but, not being that knowledgeable of
Java, I'm afraid I don't have any suitable solution for this type of
problem. I do hope that you find an answer that will allow you to use the
plug-in properly. Hopefully someone else here will be able to find an answer
for you.

Thank you for your patience and for trying. I wish you good luck.

Jan

 

[Bloke at the pennine puddle (Replace n.a.v.d with]

I've worked round the problem, but not fixed it. I've downloaded and
installed Mozilla and attached the plug-in to that using the Java
plug-in control panel. This allows me to access the sites that
crashed-and-burned IE6 with full Java functionality.

It's a small pain in the ass having to switch browsers, but at least
it works. IE6 is now configured only to use Microsoft's Java VM.

I would still love to find the cure.