Suggestions on good Registry Cleaner

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DirtyDawg

Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently
purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is
already getting a little sluggish.

Thank you for your time.
 
M

Mick Murphy

Never use a Registry Cleaner!!! They do more harm than good!
If you can't manually work in your Registry, leave it alone, or get a
competent Computer Technician to do it for you.

Try doing a disk cleanup, delete temp files, delete temp internet files.
Cut back on number of restore Points, delete Programs that you don't use.
Check for Spyware.
There is so much you can do without touching the Registry.
 
V

Victek

Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently
purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is
already getting a little sluggish.

Thank you for your time.
Registry "cleaning" may seem like a good idea, but can you really attribute
any improvement in performance to it? I've tried it from time to time and
I've never noticed the slightest difference. On the other hand, I have seen
registry cleaners damage the registry resulting in programs not loading
properly. One thing you can do to optimize the registry which IS safe is to
defrag/compress it. There are a number of free utilities, such as NTRegOpt
which do this.

As others have mentioned there are many safe ways to optimize a Windows
system which do produce noticeable gains in performance. If you need
suggestions just ask.
 
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ICQM Houston

perform regular disk cleanup, defrag - i suggest not using antivirus as this
will cause more frustrations (but if you found one that best suit your needs
that's OK) - use the best firewall instead - scan your PC of spyware daily.

system restore makes your PC much worst after you run it so much as well
disable it - i suggest careful manual registry cleaning as it require
perseverance and studiosness to manually clean the registry file
 
J

John Barnett MVP

The only way to 'clean' the registry is to do it manually. In most cases the
software that purports to be able to clean the registry causes more problems
than it solves. If you are not confident enough to manually remove defunct
registry entries then leave the registry well alone and keep as far away
from registry cleaners as you possible can.

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Steve Thackery

........it seems like it is already getting a little sluggish.

But it's a heck of a leap to assume there's a registry problem, or that
"cleaning" the registry makes any difference at all to responsiveness.

I've been playing around with these damn things for years and can tell you
three things:

1/ Running a registry cleaner gives you a warm feeling as you tell yourself
you've "improved" things in your computer.

2/ Your computer doesn't share your feelings because it doesn't have any.
Never, not once, have I honestly been able to spot an improvement in
responsiveness by cleaning (or defragging) the registry.

3/ On a handful of occasions I've actually buggered up some functionality as
a result of using registry cleaning tools, and had to restore the backup.
Sometimes you don't notice the problem for a few days, which is actually the
worst kind of problem.

My conclusion is that they are the 21st century equivalent of snake oil.
Don't waste your time (and run the risk of breaking something).

SteveT
 
D

DirtyDawg

Thank you all very much for your input. I'll mull it all over/do more
research and then make my decision as to what to do. Again, I appreciate
the input.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

DirtyDawg said:
Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just
recently purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like
it is already getting a little sluggish.

Thank you for your time.


Any so-called registry "cleaner" is nothing more than a worthless
snake oil remedy whose sole purpose is to separate you from some of your
money.

Why do you think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry "cleaner?"

If you do have a problem that is rooted in the registry, it would
be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only the
specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an untrained,
inexperienced computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's
certainly been no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use
of such products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's
performance or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


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Bruce Chambers

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~ Denis Diderot
 
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Victek

1/ Running a registry cleaner gives you a warm feeling as you tell
yourself you've "improved" things in your computer.

2/ Your computer doesn't share your feelings because it doesn't have any.
Never, not once, have I honestly been able to spot an improvement in
responsiveness by cleaning (or defragging) the registry.
Defragging the registry does not improve responsiveness, but it does free up
a little disk space <g>.
 
T

Tom Lake

DirtyDawg said:
Can anyone suggest a good Registry Cleaner for Vista 64b? I just recently
purchased my laptop with the 64b OS installed and it seems like it is already
getting a little sluggish.

Thank you for your time.

Most people will tell you to not use one at all. I have used CleanMyPC
when reinstalling software wouldn't work. It seems to do the trick just fine.
the stubborn software would then install with no problem. I don't use the cleaner
on a regular basis, just when I need it. I do know what the registry entries do
and could do all the work myself but a good registry cleaner saves me a lot of
time.

Tom Lake
 
S

Steve Thackery

Defragging the registry does not improve responsiveness, but it does free
up a little disk space <g>.

Well, a tiny bit! But the OP was complaining about sluggish performance.

SteveT
 
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Bruce Chambers

Mark said:
Makes one wonder why Microsoft makes a registry cleaner part of Live One
Care?


For the money, of course. If idiots are willing to spend good money
for snake oil products, why shouldn't Microsoft also try to cash in? It
is, after all, a business.


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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DirtyDawg

It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry cleaner
is very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall a program,
the uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the "Add/Remove
Programs" option through the Control Panel. There almost always seemed to
be something left behind to lag/clog up the registry. I have been using
Registry Mechanic for a good long time now, but at the moment it is not
compatible with 64bit systems.



I must admit though, I don't think I've EVER seen Microsoft admit that there
is a need to clean the register until now. I wish that they would
incorporate that kind of feature into Live One Care.
 
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Bruce Chambers

DirtyDawg said:
It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry
cleaner is very important.


Then you've been laboring under a severe misunderstanding of how the
registry works for just as long, I'm afraid.

A lot of the times when you go to uninstall
a program, the uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the
"Add/Remove Programs" option through the Control Panel. There almost
always seemed to be something left behind....


For badly written programs this is often true; for properly designed
and coded uninstallers, it's a non-issue.

.... to lag/clog up the registry.


Utterly untrue. Orphaned entries have absolutely no affect upon
performance, and only a microscopic affect upon disk space.

I have been using Registry Mechanic for a good long time now, ...


Why? What's the point? Do you also play Russian Roulette?


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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Victek

It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry
cleaner is very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall a
program, the uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the
"Add/Remove Programs" option through the Control Panel. There almost
always seemed to be something left behind to lag/clog up the registry. I
have been using Registry Mechanic for a good long time now, but at the
moment it is not compatible with 64bit systems.
For thoroughly uninstalling programs have you tried a dedicated uninstall
program, such as Revo Uninstaller? It will search the hard drive and
registry after the application's uninstall completes and find the bits that
were missed, such as registry keys. I don't know if Revo Uninstaller
support 64 bit Windows though. I looked around their web site and couldn't
find a specific statement about support OS's.
 
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DirtyDawg

No I haven't. I didn't even know that there were programs such as that out
there. In the past, I just looked for anything that would take out the dead
registry entries and when I found Registry Mechanic, I stopped looking. I
hope pctools gets on the ball and makes Registry Mechanic compatible with
64bit windows. I'll look around and see what I can come up with in regards
to your program suggestion. Thanks for your time.
 
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Tom Lake

DirtyDawg said:
It does doesn't it. :) I've known for years that a good registry cleaner is
very important. A lot of the times when you go to uninstall a program, the
uninstaller doesn't work too well, even when you use the "Add/Remove Programs"
option through the Control Panel. There almost always seemed to be something left
behind to lag/clog up the registry. I have been using Registry Mechanic for a good
long time now, but at the moment it is not compatible with 64bit systems.

CleanMyPC is compatible with 64-bit Vista. It's not free but it's reasonable.
I've never had it mess up my registry. Of course I always back up before running
any program that changes the registry. If I ever I forget to, something will go
wrong!


Tom Lake
 
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Mark

I searched for a benchmark for these Registry Cleaners and couldn't find any
substantiating their claims, so I performed my own.
While simple in nature and very limited, it provided some information on the
topic:

1. Made a full backup so I could recover after this experiment.
2. Installed a popular benchmark (3DMark08) that would give me a base number
to compare before and after.
3. Installed CCleaner, which seems to get more recommendations than most
from this newsgroup.

History:
My computer is used to test lots of software, so I have a lot of garbage
registry entries from all the products I install, including MS Office 2003,
DVD/CD burners, games, etc. (I mention these because they are currently all
uninstalled with the uninstaller provided by the vendor. Yet, if you look in
the registry, there are traces of each all over the place.) I run Avast as
my anti-virus and Windows Firewall. (These were left on for both the before
and after.)

Run 1: As-is
Scores:
5301 (generic score)
6209 (GPUs)
3684 (CPUs)

Run 2: Run CCleaner to remove all extraneous files (224 MB) and registry
entries (114.) I used no discrimination... just remove it all automatically.
Scores:
5291 (generic score)
6214 (GPUs)
3660 (CPUs)

In a nutshell, little to no change. What change did occur is a reduction in
performance.
When I look through the registry, the links to missing files have been
removed, but all the User Options, Preferences, File Associations, Version,
etc are still present.

I need a better uninstaller. Not a registry cleaner.
 

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