suggestions for printer for college

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ps56k

Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says -
So looking around at the least expensive printer for school.
Since he doesn't print much, and is tired of running down the hall,
he just wants something to print B/W without fuss.
He is thinking laser vs inkjet... no carts to dry out from lack of use.
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home
 
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Jan Alter

ps56k said:
Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says -
So looking around at the least expensive printer for school.
Since he doesn't print much, and is tired of running down the hall,
he just wants something to print B/W without fuss.
He is thinking laser vs inkjet... no carts to dry out from lack of use.
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home

Hi,

I can easily understand your positive thoughts about the HP 4. When we
used them at school for many years while I was still working with tech
support they rarely ran bad and still had life when I retired in '08.
If it's b/w printing that your son needs then getting a laser printer
is easily a good choice. They are hands down cheaper to run and less fussy
than ink jets. Check out newegg.com to read user reviews. I took a quick
look at lasers from $100-$150 and found
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113291 as one that
you might consider.
I haven't used Brother lasers but this particular one has gotten some
decent credit from its users and apparently the model is over a year old,
which makes me feel there's some consistency to what folks are saying. For
myself, I've used a Canon D-340 Imageclass for a year now that I got for
$120 after $150 rebate. It's worked beautifully, even though it's quite
dated and relatively basic without wireless service as the Brother appears
to be.
 
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Joel

ps56k said:
Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says -
So looking around at the least expensive printer for school.
Since he doesn't print much, and is tired of running down the hall,
he just wants something to print B/W without fuss.
He is thinking laser vs inkjet... no carts to dry out from lack of use.
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home

Laser would be the best choice. Or your son always use Inkjet printer but
using refillable ink catridge to save $$$$ instead of spending $$$$ on the
expensive genuine ink catridge.

This way he can print both B&W and color, and it may even cost less than
laser. Anh if he decides to go for laser then try to buy the refilled
(remanufactured) toner which is much cheaper than the genuine toner. The
refilled toner may cost around $20 comparing to $50-100 of the original
toner.
 
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Adam

ps56k said:
Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says - [snip]
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home

Why not give him the HP 4P, and get yourself a fancier new printer? :)

Adam
 
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Gernot Hassenpflug

Adam> ps56k said:
Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says - Adam> [snip]
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at
home

Adam> Why not give him the HP 4P, and get yourself a fancier new
Adam> printer? :)

Agreed :)

That said, the Canon LBP-320, LBP-350 and similar models are pretty good
in my opinion, even in the cases where the paper feed has to be repaired
(easy to do oneself).
 
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Arthur Entlich

Your son is wise in suggesting a black and white laser printer for this
type of use. They are durable, quick, do not dry out, or clog between
printing, and therefore you can get full use of the toner cartridge.
With most you can remove the toner cartridge easily and pack it
separately for shipping or transporting back and forth without damaging
the printer or cartridge. They are less costly to run, as well, and the
result is fade, smear and waterproof unlike some inkjets.

What I would look for in such a printer is:

Small size to lessen the desktop clutter. The new ones can be pretty small.

Quick start, and energy conserving: Many now only heat up the fuser just
before use and then shut down and go to sleep. This saves wear and tear
on parts and electrical usage, and some respond more quickly to the
document input as a result of the quick heating fuser.

Try to get one which is quiet when on and when printing, so if he has
roommates it won't wake them late at night or early in the morning.

Try to find one which has an on/off switch. This is both a safety
precaution and again saves electricity and wear and tear on components.
Many today have no switch, and go into deep sleep after a certain
period of time, but I still prefer a real on off switch.

Try to get one that can handle the occasional legal size paper, card
stock and envelopes for those special printing situations.

If the printer has memory expansion slots, make sure it takes common and
cheap PC memory rather than propriety types that are costly. The extra
memory may help with complex diagrams or speed up printing of multiple
page documents or multiple documents which get queued up.

Try to get one which has a toner cartridge included which is completely
full. Many now come with partially filled cartridges good for only
1/3rd the impressions, and the replacement may cost upwards of the full
cost of the printer to replace.

Try to find out if the printer's toner cartridge can easily be refilled,
either by your son, or a refilling service. Some cartridges can't or
have chips that disable some features, slow the printing speed
drastically or simply will not work on refill. This save money on
consumables, and is better for the environment.

I agree with other comments that Brother has recently won (I think for
the second or third year) the best customer and warranty service award
by survey of US users. In general, their products are well built and
reasonably prices, but I don't know specifically about print quality,
toner cartridge use, etc.

Lastly, don;t assume the cheapest one you can buy is the best value.
Often spending slightly more can save a lot of money due to larger or
more filled cartridges in the original purchase, refillability, more
memory on board, cheaper cartridge cost, and more reliability.

You do not have to spend a lot on a laser printer these days. For
around $100-150 US you should be able to get a reasonable product.

If your son will benefit from a photocopier, there are now many units
which offer both photocopying and printing options for not a lot
additional cost. They are somewhat larger if you get one with a flatbed
scanner top (I would recommend this over a sheet scanner, which cannot
scan books and other thicker materials), some also offer fax is that is
of value.

Lastly, make sure the printer can work with the computer and operating
system your son is using, and that it can interface easily by having the
correct plugs (such as USB, or wireless IR, if that is what his computer
has).

Art


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Arthur Entlich

I would keep the HP 4P at home. Newer models are lighter, smaller and
faster and might even handle paper better. Also, he will have a
warranty that he can probably use wherever he is located should it break
down during the warranty period.

Keep the HP for your own use where it stays put.

Art

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ps56k said:
Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says - [snip]
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home

Why not give him the HP 4P, and get yourself a fancier new printer? :)

Adam
 
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Bob AZ

Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says -
So looking around at the least expensive printer for school.
Since he doesn't print much, and is tired of running down the hall,
he just wants something to print B/W without fuss.
He is thinking laser vs inkjet...   no carts to dry out from lack of use.
We still have an old HP 4p  from 1993 that is performing duties at home

ps56k

Losts of good input. Look closely at what the school uses. There may
be some support advantages that your son is able to take advantage of.

We have a HPIIID that we have been using for over 20+ years. No issues
and today I picked up 5 new toner cartridges that will outlast me.

Bob AZ
 
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Adam

Bennett said:
A fast inexpensive reliable laser printer is the Brother HL-5140.

My parents have that model and are quite happy with it. Good Linux
support too, if that matters.

But as mentioned, check with the college computer center to see if
they have any specific recommendations -- or maybe even student
discounts on certain brands or models.

Adam
 
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MD34

Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says -
So looking around at the least expensive printer for school.
Since he doesn't print much, and is tired of running down the hall,
he just wants something to print B/W without fuss.
He is thinking laser vs inkjet... no carts to dry out from lack of use.
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home

I use the HP P1006 for my office. It was cheap and I didn't print much.
I added a couple of salesmen and my printing shot way up.

I'm on my 3rd toner, having refilled the first 2 3X each. 3x is pushing it but I
haven't had a single problem with it in a year.

It feeds 80# stock just fine. Isn't meant for many envelopes. It's small and
spits out the first page quickly. Doesn't always have perfect sheet alignment
but if you load it properly it's pretty darn good.

I paid $95 at Staples a year ago.
 
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Man-wai Chang

he just wants something to print B/W without fuss.
He is thinking laser vs inkjet... no carts to dry out from lack of use.
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home

U sure that he would not change his mind later, going to print color
photo of beautiful girls? :)

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Tim Okergit

Our son at college finally wants a printer - simple B/W he says -
So looking around at the least expensive printer for school.
Since he doesn't print much, and is tired of running down the hall,
he just wants something to print B/W without fuss.
He is thinking laser vs inkjet... no carts to dry out from lack of use.
We still have an old HP 4p from 1993 that is performing duties at home

You have an HP printer and you're satisfied. I have an HP and I have the
same experience: CTRL + P and it printed page after page, not a dot
missing for close to 6 years (I'm still on the original cartridge,
though). Many people here have attested that they had their HP for 10
years or more.

If I were you, I wouldn't tempt the devil. There are enough problems in
life to have to care about printers in order to save a few dollars.
Choose the HP printer you want, pay whatever it costs. Even if you work
at minimum wage, it might prove to be a saving.
 
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Bob Eager

You have an HP printer and you're satisfied. I have an HP and I have the
same experience: CTRL + P and it printed page after page, not a dot
missing for close to 6 years (I'm still on the original cartridge,
though). Many people here have attested that they had their HP for 10
years or more.

I have a LaserJet 4+ that was bought at work in 1993. I took it over when
it was 'retired' in 2000. Still running and printing lots of pages...!
Lots of toner used, of course.
 
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Joel

Bob Eager said:
I have a LaserJet 4+ that was bought at work in 1993. I took it over when
it was 'retired' in 2000. Still running and printing lots of pages...!
Lots of toner used, of course.

In general, it doesn't matter how many "lots of pages..." you printed, the
toner has limited number of toner, so it can only print so many thousands of
pages. My first laser printer was the Epson I bought in early 80's and it
lasted forever (cuz I didn't print much) until my grandkids grew up and
started printing their homeworks, and they broke the printer (they broke it
not running out of ink). They switched to my Epson Inkjet and they broke
that one too.

2-3 years ago, I bought the Brothers laser printer and the original toner
last for almost a year, I replaced with the refilled one and last for few
more months. Since they had other Brothers laser printer onsale for less
than $100, I bought it and the toner only last for 3-4 months.
 
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Bob Eager

In general, it doesn't matter how many "lots of pages..." you printed,
the
toner has limited number of toner, so it can only print so many
thousands of pages.

Well, of course...!

I was just pointing out, for anyone who didn't realise, that 'lots' in
this case meant many tens of thousands of pages, rather different to the
earlier poster who was still on the original toner and whose printer had
therefore incurred rather less wear.
2-3 years ago, I bought the Brothers laser printer and the original
toner
last for almost a year, I replaced with the refilled one and last for
few more months. Since they had other Brothers laser printer onsale for
less than $100, I bought it and the toner only last for 3-4 months.

Because these days they sell printers with a reduced toner cartridge to
get the headline price down and get you to buy a 'full' one sooner.
 
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Joel

Bob Eager said:
Well, of course...!

I was just pointing out, for anyone who didn't realise, that 'lots' in
this case meant many tens of thousands of pages, rather different to the
earlier poster who was still on the original toner and whose printer had
therefore incurred rather less wear.

In the past, some laser printer may come with toner yield up to around
4,000 pages (some may have some special 6,000 pages or so toner), but none
more than 5,000-6,000 pages. Tens of thousands pages? may be you printed
lot of few lines text?
Because these days they sell printers with a reduced toner cartridge to
get the headline price down and get you to buy a 'full' one sooner.

Those come with around 2,000-3,000 pages
 
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Bob Eager

In the past, some laser printer may come with toner yield up to around
4,000 pages (some may have some special 6,000 pages or so toner), but
none more than 5,000-6,000 pages. Tens of thousands pages? may be you
printed lot of few lines text?

No, I used more than one toner cartridge....that was perfectly clear....!
Why would you think otherwise? I said "Lots of toner used".

Most of the catridges I used had a yield of over 8000 pages. That is the
*official* yield - sometimes I got more. I used 13 of them.
Those come with around 2,000-3,000 pages

I bought a Samsung one that had an *official* yield of 1000 pages with
the initial toner.
 
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Joel

Bob Eager said:
No, I used more than one toner cartridge....that was perfectly clear....!
Why would you think otherwise? I said "Lots of toner used".

Most of the catridges I used had a yield of over 8000 pages. That is the
*official* yield - sometimes I got more. I used 13 of them.

Then it sounds like you are talking about thew life of the printer ifself,
or may be the DRUMER which usually yield around 20,000 or so pages.

And yes, you can reuse the old scratched same toner catridge and drumer by
replacing the ROLLER
 
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Bob Eager

Then it sounds like you are talking about thew life of the printer
ifself,

Yes, I was. That was perfectly clear.
or may be the DRUMER which usually yield around 20,000 or so pages.

In the LaserJet 4+, the drum is part of the cartridge. In over 100,000
pages, all I have replaced is the cartridge (several times), and two
rollers at a total cost of $15.
And yes, you can reuse the old scratched same toner catridge and drumer
by
replacing the ROLLER

Why would I want to?

I don't really understand what point you are trying to make. I'm not sure
you do...
 
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tinnews

Mr John FO Evans said:
If you do go for a colour printer, make sure that the driver allows you to
switch to black cartridge only - a lot cheaper than printing in 'process
black' which is a mixture of all colours.

Also I would suggest that a duplex option laser printer would save a great
deal of paper! Not so useful in an inkjet unless it has equal, small, upper
and lower printing margins.
We're also looking for a compact printer to use on our boat where
space is always at a premium. I'm leaning towards a laser printer
simply because it will be happier being left for long periods unused.
We have no need for colour really, just a basic, small as possible B&W
printer. Duplex would be a good extra.
 

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