Study: Over Half of Inkjet Printer Ink is Thrown Away

[Arthur Entlich]

For a moment there, I thought you were gonna tell us you collect that
yellowish liquid and rebottle it for drinking.

I also use well water here, and our friends come with bottles to fill
when they visit. It sure doesn't taste like bottled water though, it
actually tastes good! We test it every year or two to make sure its
good, and so far, so good... In fact it's got all sorts of good stuff
in it, calcium salts, small amounts of iron. No chlorine, and no caffeine.

Art

 

[Arthur Entlich]

What I find amazing is that people will blissfully pay a buck and a
quarter (or more) for a half litre or so of water, and then complain
bitterly about gasoline costing $1.00 a litre. Considering the distance
the gasoline has to travel, the major refining processes involved, and
the relative rarity of it, not to mention what it is capable of in terms
of BTUs and energy, I think we have our value system just a bit out of
kilter.

Also, the majority of the cost of the gasoline is taxes.

Art

 

[Stuart]

What I find amazing is that people will blissfully pay a buck and a
quarter (or more) for a half litre or so of water, and then complain
bitterly about gasoline costing $1.00 a litre. Considering the distance
the gasoline has to travel, the major refining processes involved, and
the relative rarity of it, not to mention what it is capable of in terms
of BTUs and energy, I think we have our value system just a bit out of
kilter.

Also, the majority of the cost of the gasoline is taxes.

You're still very fortunate, in the UK, petrol (gasoline) is around $2.00
a litre

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Stuart Winsor

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[John McWilliams]

What I find amazing is that people will blissfully pay a buck and a
quarter (or more) for a half litre or so of water, and then complain
bitterly about gasoline costing $1.00 a litre. Considering the distance
the gasoline has to travel, the major refining processes involved, and
the relative rarity of it, not to mention what it is capable of in terms
of BTUs and energy, I think we have our value system just a bit out of
kilter.

Also, the majority of the cost of the gasoline is taxes.

Perhaps that's true in Canada, but I am pretty sure it's not in the U.S.
Do you have numbers?

Possibly someone knows the figures, or will tell me to Google it.

 

[DK]

Perhaps that's true in Canada, but I am pretty sure it's not in the U.S.
Do you have numbers?

Possibly someone knows the figures, or will tell me to Google it.

In the USA, an average combined tax is ~ $0.5/gallon.

Crude oil this week is ~ $73/barrel (42 gallons) = $1.74/gallon
87 grade gas in my area today is ~ 3.19/gallon, or, minus taxes,
~ $2.7/gallon.

So we have roughly $1.00/gallon spend on making gas out of oil
and paying some profit to every middleman involved.

Sounds a bit excessive to me but not hugely so.

DK

 

[TJ]

What I find amazing is that people will blissfully pay a buck and a
quarter (or more) for a half litre or so of water, and then complain
bitterly about gasoline costing $1.00 a litre. Considering the distance
the gasoline has to travel, the major refining processes involved, and
the relative rarity of it, not to mention what it is capable of in terms
of BTUs and energy, I think we have our value system just a bit out of
kilter.

Also, the majority of the cost of the gasoline is taxes.

Art

Not here in NY. I just got a delivery of gasoline on Friday, and I have
the invoice right here. (Of course, we still buy by the US gallon)

I bought 135 gallons this time, at a cost of $477.21. That's a bit under
$3.535 a gallon. (I pay more than folks pay at a filling station because
mine is delivered.) Of that $3.53, $0.184 is for US Federal fuels tax,
$0.08 is for NY Motor Fuels Tax, $0.166 is for NY Petroleum Business
Tax, and $0.08 is for NY Sales Tax, and $0.08 is for Onondaga County
Sales Tax. (Sales taxes used to be 4% each, but last year they were
capped at the first $2. Anything over $2 is sales-tax-free.)That's $0.59
a gallon in taxes, leaving $2.945 to go to the gasoline company.

Of course, those are only the taxes I know about, the ones I, as a
farmer, can apply to get refunded. There may indeed be others.

TJ

 

[Burt]

(snip)

I have an Epson 260, with individual ink cartridges. I printed a couple
hundred strictly B&W labels on CDs, but all colors ran down along with the
black. I suspect that it is the cleaning cycles that it orders for itself
every time I turn it on that do most of that.

My Canon i8500 has cartidges with clear plastic, so you can see the ink
inside. Whenever I change cartidges, I can clearly see that the ink has
all run out. On my Epson, it uses opaque plastic cartridges, so you can't
see inside at all. You just have to take the printer's word that the ink
really is gone. Silly design.

Gary Eickmeier

Gary - What you can see is that the reservoir section of the cartridge has
run out of ink. When that happens, your ink monitor tells you that the ink
is low. The ink monitor then does a kind of countdown as you continue to
print and, after a small number of prints, tells you that you are out of
ink. You actually still have up to 2 ml. of ink in the sponge. If you
actually run the cartridge totally dry you risk burning out nozzles in that
color. Canon, as well as other printers, "wastes" the remaining ink to
protect the printhead. These carts have a total of 13 to 14 ml. of ink when
full. If you refill your carts you will have a better appreciation of how
much ink is left in the sponge area as you can measure the ink necessary to
refill both the sponge and reservoir.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

How much is bottled water there? ;-)

I'm not sure we are "fortunate". I don't think North Americans will
take things seriously, and start pushing for and buying very efficient
vehicles until gasoline does get to $2/ litre or more.

Art

 

[Arthur Entlich]

Well, OK, if you are speaking specifically about the taxes, I somewhat
exaggerated...


In Canada, the amounts vary from $.22 to $.41 cents taxes per $1 of
gasoline. Where I live, it is about 35 cents, since our city adds
several cents in transportation taxes. Still, a lot more taxes than on
a bottle of water.

They state about 49.5 cents for the crude, 14 cents to the refiner, and
3.5 cents to the retailer, the rest taxes (or average).

For Canadian details:

http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2005/gas_tax-e.html

Art

 

[Arthur Entlich]

Your taxes at $.50 per gallon are lower than ours in Canada. We average
about $1.00 US per US Gallon.

Art

 

[John McWilliams]

Your taxes at $.50 per gallon are lower than ours in Canada. We average
about $1.00 US per US Gallon.

$.50 is under 20% of the U.S. retail price, a far cry from "the majority
of the cost"! And the local, state and transportation costs vary, as do
prices, not necessarily in line with retail pricing nor proximity to
refineries.

John McWilliams

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

I buy store brand soap in bulk and refill the soap dispenser in my
shower, and I don't know who makes it. It doesn't clog my pores any
worse than brand named soap does ;-)

This is good, Arthur. I mean, it's great as long as you don't run your
soap dispenser dry and then the dispenser burns itself out. Every time
you buy soap, you're supposed to buy a new dispenser. You're a seasoned
refiller -- ink, liquid soap -- what's the difference? Put soap in your
print cartridges and ink in the shower. I will stay at your house, then
testify before Congress, people will say that I have not been
transparent. I will claim Entlichian Privilege; my testimony will be
colorful.

People who drink bottled water in the US (and I presume Canada) are,
well -- people who throw away money. A wonderful study in Consumer
Reports some time ago found that of all the waters they tried, the best
came from sink taps in New York City.

But we were talking about ink and soap, weren't we? This is serious.
Like, when we transport water and bottles across the Atlantic ocean,
we're using lots of oil to carry water across the water to a place that
has lots of water. You want to refill those bottles? Who am I to stop
you. But it won't be as good as Perrier. Don't mislead people. If you
put tap water in the Perrier bottle, you should put a new label on the
bottle with your name on it: "Joe's Nice Water." Then you're a
relabeler. Trust me: would I lie to you?

How does this relate to ink cartridges? What am I, a guru? Stop asking
me foolish questions and go away.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I guess you missed this posting I made prior to the one you responded to:

"Well, OK, if you are speaking specifically about the taxes, I somewhat
exaggerated...


In Canada, the amounts vary from $.22 to $.41 cents taxes per $1 of
gasoline. Where I live, it is about 35 cents, since our city adds
several cents in transportation taxes. Still, a lot more taxes than on
a bottle of water.

They state about 49.5 cents for the crude, 14 cents to the refiner, and
3.5 cents to the retailer, the rest taxes (or average).

For Canadian details:

http://www.fin.gc.ca/toce/2005/gas_tax-e.html

Art"

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I just want to state that I agree... completely, even though I have no
idea what you are going on about ;-)

If I change the subject on this posting, does that make me a relabeller?

When you buy bottled water, how much oil goes into making the bottle,
and what are you paying more for, the bottle, the transport costs, or
the water itself?

Since I don't ever buy bottled water, but I like to make it look like I
do, I gather discarded bottled water bottles and refill them with the
well water from my house, and people think I'm cool (or incredibly
stupid, I'm not sure which) for drinking filtered remineralized tap
water from C-C.

Here's how I imagine the discussion went:

C-C exec: We need higher profits to raise our stock value, but we've
reached the limit of how much people will pay for our sugar, colorant,
flavoring and caffeine, in triple filtered tap water beverage - any ideas?

Brain-stormer working for C-C: What if we take out the sugar, colorant,
flavoring and caffeine and just sell the triple filtered tap water for
the same price, think people will go for it?

C-C Exec: Not unless we give it a foreign sounding name... otherwise
they may think we're cheating them by charging the same price for the
triple filtered water as we did for the other beverage.

Brain-stormer working for C-C: You know, you pay quite a bit to the
company that handles discarding the stuff you filter out of the tap
water for the beverages... what if we throw that stuff back into the
water we want to sell and call it "remineralized".

CC Exec: You guys are worth every penny we pay you, and more!

Brain-stormer working for C-C: Yeah, we are, aren't we... just don't pay
us in bottled water. Oh, and by the way, how's this for the name of the
water: Da InSani! (I think it translates to "The INsane" in Italian, but
it sounds pretty foreign.

CC Exec: You nailed it... it sounds as foreign as the stuff we're gonna
throw back into the water to remineralize it! You kill me!

Brain-stormer fro C-C: Let's hope that's all we kill... lawsuits can
really ruin sales.


Art

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I assume this is "Marked" fuel, or don't they do that anymore...

Art

 

[GMAN]

This is good, Arthur. I mean, it's great as long as you don't run your
soap dispenser dry and then the dispenser burns itself out. Every time
you buy soap, you're supposed to buy a new dispenser. You're a seasoned
refiller -- ink, liquid soap -- what's the difference? Put soap in your
print cartridges and ink in the shower. I will stay at your house, then
testify before Congress, people will say that I have not been
transparent. I will claim Entlichian Privilege; my testimony will be
colorful.

People who drink bottled water in the US (and I presume Canada) are,
well -- people who throw away money. A wonderful study in Consumer
Reports some time ago found that of all the waters they tried, the best
came from sink taps in New York City.

I wouldnt trust anything that came out of Consumer Reports!

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

Here's how I imagine the discussion went:

C-C exec: We need higher profits to raise our stock value, but we've
reached the limit of how much people will pay for our sugar, colorant,
flavoring and caffeine, in triple filtered tap water beverage - any ideas?

Brain-stormer working for C-C: What if we take out the sugar, colorant,
flavoring and caffeine and just sell the triple filtered tap water for
the same price, think people will go for it?

C-C Exec: Not unless we give it a foreign sounding name... otherwise
they may think we're cheating them by charging the same price for the
triple filtered water as we did for the other beverage.

Brain-stormer working for C-C: You know, you pay quite a bit to the
company that handles discarding the stuff you filter out of the tap
water for the beverages... what if we throw that stuff back into the
water we want to sell and call it "remineralized".

CC Exec: You guys are worth every penny we pay you, and more!

Brain-stormer working for C-C: Yeah, we are, aren't we... just don't pay
us in bottled water. Oh, and by the way, how's this for the name of the
water: Da InSani! (I think it translates to "The INsane" in Italian, but
it sounds pretty foreign.

CC Exec: You nailed it... it sounds as foreign as the stuff we're gonna
throw back into the water to remineralize it! You kill me!

Brain-stormer fro C-C: Let's hope that's all we kill... lawsuits can
really ruin sales.

That's the spirit, Art.
Imagine what these guys could do if they went into the printer business.

Richard

 

[measekite]

GMAN wrote:

Arthur Entlich wrote:



I buy store brand soap in bulk and refill the soap dispenser in my shower, and I don't know who makes it. It doesn't clog my pores any worse than brand named soap does ;-)



This is good, Arthur. I mean, it's great as long as you don't run your soap dispenser dry and then the dispenser burns itself out. Every time you buy soap, you're supposed to buy a new dispenser. You're a seasoned refiller -- ink, liquid soap -- what's the difference? Put soap in your print cartridges and ink in the shower. I will stay at your house, then testify before Congress, people will say that I have not been transparent. I will claim Entlichian Privilege; my testimony will be colorful. People who drink bottled water in the US (and I presume Canada) are, well -- people who throw away money. A wonderful study in Consumer Reports some time ago found that of all the waters they tried, the best came from sink taps in New York City.



I wouldnt trust anything that came out of Consumer Reports!


That depends what it is, how it is written (the details not just the conclusion) and the comprehension of the person that reads it.






But we were talking about ink and soap, weren't we? This is serious. Like, when we transport water and bottles across the Atlantic ocean, we're using lots of oil to carry water across the water to a place that has lots of water. You want to refill those bottles? Who am I to stop you. But it won't be as good as Perrier. Don't mislead people. If you put tap water in the Perrier bottle, you should put a new label on the bottle with your name on it: "Joe's Nice Water." Then you're a relabeler. Trust me: would I lie to you? How does this relate to ink cartridges? What am I, a guru? Stop asking me foolish questions and go away.

 

[measekite]

That's the spirit, Art.
Imagine what these guys could do if they went into the printer business.

Most of them are.

 

[TJ]

I assume this is "Marked" fuel, or don't they do that anymore...

Art

They don't do it with gasoline, but they do with diesel. Diesel can be
obtained tax-free by farmers when used off-road for production. It's
tinted so police can look into a truck tank and tell if the taxes were
paid or not. With gasoline you pay the taxes up-front, then apply for a
refund. The catch is that you have to have the gas delivered and you
have to provide proof in the form of invoices or statements.

TJ