Static Electricity?

G

geezer

Is static electricity always accompanied by an audible (even if
slightly) spark (arc)? I guess what I am asking is if I ground myself
each time before I touch the computer innards, can I be sure I have
eliminated static electricity because I don't hear or feel anything?

IOW, can static electricity flow from me to a metal computer innard
without my knowing it? While I am simply standing there holding onto
a metal computer part?

If you think this is a dumb question - just ignore it.

Thanks
 
R

Ralph Mowery

geezer said:
Is static electricity always accompanied by an audible (even if
slightly) spark (arc)? I guess what I am asking is if I ground myself
each time before I touch the computer innards, can I be sure I have
eliminated static electricity because I don't hear or feel anything?

IOW, can static electricity flow from me to a metal computer innard
without my knowing it? While I am simply standing there holding onto
a metal computer part?

If you think this is a dumb question - just ignore it.

Thanks

There is no way to be sure you have eliminated the static. Grounding straps
are made to help keep the static under control. They are a wrist strap that
you should wear on the hand you use to work on the computer with. The strap
is grounded with a resistor inseries with the wire so that you will not be
harmed if you do hapen to contact a live wire. As the computer circuits
operate under 12 volts it will not take much static to harm the parts. YOu
might look at it as a 12 volt car battery will not spark if you touch it,
but put a wire across the terminals and you can see the results of the
vlotage. Usually about 40 to 50 volts is hard to feel if your skin is dry.

With all that said, static is not really that bad. It is usually worse in
the winter as there is not much humidity in the air. The humidity helps
bleed off the static.
 
K

kony

Is static electricity always accompanied by an audible (even if
slightly) spark (arc)?

No, definitely not. That would only be seen with a
relatively high voltage.

I guess what I am asking is if I ground myself
each time before I touch the computer innards, can I be sure I have
eliminated static electricity because I don't hear or feel anything?

No, you can be sure you have eliminated static because you
grounded yourself, has nothing to do with the hearing or
feeling of anything. That is, so long as you STAY grounded.

IOW, can static electricity flow from me to a metal computer innard
without my knowing it?
yes

While I am simply standing there holding onto
a metal computer part?

It would happen when you first touch that part, not while
continuing to hold same electrically continuous part, OR
after building up a charge, then touching that part to
another part. For example, if you were grounded when you
picked up a memory module, and continued to hold the exact
same spot on that module (ignoring moisture changes from
hands, etc) you could shuffle around on the floor and should
be OK, UNTIL you touch that memory module to something that
is grounded, like the motherboard. The discharge went from
you, through the memory, and out to the motherboard. not
only should you ground yourself, but be at same potential as
the component ground you're working on... which should also
be grounded.

If you think this is a dumb question - just ignore it.

Ok.
 
J

Jerry G.

Static electricity is in the order of many thousands of volts. Fortunately
the current source is extremely low, or it would be lethal.

Because its voltage is so high, it can jump or arch to objects, circuit
boards, and anything that conducts to ground. The devices used in modern
electronics can easily be damaged from static electricity.

Touching the main computer case, or metal frame (chassis) of the computer,
before, and keep touching at the same time as touching a card, will prevent
a static discharge to the card.

I have seen static discharges cause failures to keyboards, mice, and even
ports on computers as soon as the user goes to use the computer. Sometimes
the user is plugging something in to the computer, and when he inserts the
wire in to the port connector, the port is damaged from a static discharge.
It is best to touch the metal part of the case of the computer, before
connecting something to a port.

In a computer room, there should not be any materials that promote the
generation of static electricity. It is best to have a humidifier running,
and keep the room humidity to at least 50% to 60%.

--

Jerry G.
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Is static electricity always accompanied by an audible (even if
slightly) spark (arc)? I guess what I am asking is if I ground myself
each time before I touch the computer innards, can I be sure I have
eliminated static electricity because I don't hear or feel anything?

IOW, can static electricity flow from me to a metal computer innard
without my knowing it? While I am simply standing there holding onto
a metal computer part?

If you think this is a dumb question - just ignore it.

Thanks
 
S

Steve Kives

geezer said:
Is static electricity always accompanied by an audible (even if
slightly) spark (arc)? I guess what I am asking is if I ground myself
each time before I touch the computer innards, can I be sure I have
eliminated static electricity because I don't hear or feel anything?

IOW, can static electricity flow from me to a metal computer innard
without my knowing it? While I am simply standing there holding onto
a metal computer part?

If you think this is a dumb question - just ignore it.


Not a dumb question... the details can be a bit surprising and
counterintuitive.

The typical static charge that you get zapped by (i.e. that you notice)
is in the thousands of volts, sometimes tens of thousands. Under dry
conditions and with the right carpet, an evil pair of shoes, and
malicious intent, you can build up a charge of 50,000 V for maximum
shock infliction on an unsuspecting human. I suggest using a housekey
as your contact point if you don't want to suffer the shock yourself.
Not that I'd know anything about this first-hand, really I'm a nice
guy... :)

The threshold for feeling static shock is about 2,500 V, while it only
takes around 400 V to fry electronics. This is a pretty big margin of
"dangerous" static shock that can sneak under your radar. Similarly,
you can't depend on seeing or hearing the shock if you're not working in
a dark and quiet room.

So the answer to your question is, no, you cannot depend on your senses
to alert you to static shock hazards to electronics.

For the most part you can get away with just a few precautions for
working on computers -- don't wear sweaters, fleeces, anything wool, or
anything else that is obviously static-prone, and don't do computer work
on a carpet. If your chair is cloth, don't scootch around in it while
working, or better yet, don't use it at all, or treat it liberally with
anti-static spray. Ground yourself to the equipment by touching the
metal case or power supply before contacting electronics.

Some manuals (mostly big-iron equipment like Sun, HP, IBM) demand
keeping the power cords connected at all times in order to ground the
chassis while working on it, but other manuals make the opposite demand
in order to ensure there is no power.

Of course, the safest solution is to use a grounding-strap at all times,
connecting your wrist to the computer chassis... but frankly, for PC
work, I've never seen anyone bother. Even for big-iron equipment, this
precaution seems to vary depending on the value of the boards being
thrown around. Just some PCI NIC's or such? Bah... But if it's a
system board worth more than the average Ferrari? Well then, strap
yourself in.

Years ago I had an interesting problem at a small office where I was
sysadmin/netadmin/PC support... we had just bought a couple of cisco
Catalyst 2950G ethernet switches to tie the whole office together, and
this was a major purchase for a small company like this. Soon after
installation, however, I was losing about one port a week, completely
dead. The damage worked out to about $400/port as I recall. Most of
the incidents were associated with one particular employee who used a
laptop and re-plugged his ethernet cable every morning. After much
guessing, cable swapping, and equipment juggling, we finally figured out
that the problem was static discharge -- the whole office was carpeted,
and this employee was unknowingly zapping the end of the ethernet cable
when he grabbed it every morning to plug it in. Given the 400-2500 V
"danger zone" of unfeelable static shocks, this is understandable, but I
was surprised at how fragile the cisco ports were. The solution was a
hack, but it worked: Spray the entire carpeting of the office with 5:1
water / fabric softener solution (re-applied a few times a year, a pain)
and inform laptop users to avoid touching the metal pins on the ethernet
cables. With today's technology, of course, wireless is a better
solution for the laptop workers.

Hope that helps,
-SK
 
C

CBFalconer

Steve said:
.... snip ...

The typical static charge that you get zapped by (i.e. that you
notice) is in the thousands of volts, sometimes tens of thousands.
Under dry conditions and with the right carpet, an evil pair of
shoes, and malicious intent, you can build up a charge of 50,000 V
for maximum shock infliction on an unsuspecting human. I suggest
using a housekey as your contact point if you don't want to suffer
the shock yourself. Not that I'd know anything about this
first-hand, really I'm a nice guy... :)

In the third grade the routine was to squirm about in your seat,
getting the seat of your pants all shiny, and then zap the ear of
the person (preferably girl) sitting in front of you. Then look
innocent.
 
W

w_tom

Newer car tires are not using carbon black that makes the
tires sufficiently conductive. So when I exited a car while
carrying a radio, the AC power cord first dropped to earth. I
was touching the antenna lead. Electricity went from car,
through me, into antenna connector, through radio, down power
cord to earth. A complete electric circuit existed through
electronics - the prerequisite for damage. AM/FM front end
converter chip was damaged.

I did not feel that shock. But every other time, the static
electric generated shock existed. Electronic damage occurred
the one time I did not feel a discharge.

No, its not a dumb question. Also note another requirement
for damage. First a complete electric circuit must exist.
First there must be a path into and one out of the electronics
- else no damage. This principle is important because it
explains why electronics can be routinely zapped and not
suffer damage. Not understanding this principle is why so
many create myths about damage from static electric
discharges.
 
N

Noozer

w_tom said:
Newer car tires are not using carbon black that makes the
tires sufficiently conductive. So when I exited a car while
carrying a radio, the AC power cord first dropped to earth. I
was touching the antenna lead. Electricity went from car,
through me, into antenna connector, through radio, down power
cord to earth. A complete electric circuit existed through
electronics - the prerequisite for damage. AM/FM front end
converter chip was damaged.

I did not feel that shock.

So how do you know that this damaged the radio?

Maybe it broke when you dropped in in the back seat.
 
W

w_tom

I traced the discharge circuit that included a damaged AM/FM
front end converter. Got a new chip. Radio worked find. It
was working when I took it out to the car. It was not
dropped. In 20 years it never failed. It was not working
immediately after I arrived. The part that was damaged would
have been in the discharge path. And I thought it unusual
when I got out of the car that I did not feel the usual
electric shock. But did not put 'two and two' together until
later - after the damage.
 

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