startup programs

[KRK]

hello,

I'm trying to check & modify the progs that run at startup. I go to control
panel / change startup programs. I get a message that windows defender is
turned off, and I can get no further unless I turn it back on.

Defender is off because I have Norton. I don't particularly want to have to
to turn it on.

Advice please ?

Thanks

KK

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I'm trying to check & modify the progs that run at startup. I go to
control panel / change startup programs. I get a message that
windows defender is turned off, and I can get no further unless I
turn it back on.
Defender is off because I have Norton. I don't particularly want to
have to to turn it on.

Advice please ?

Start --> RUN --> MSCONFIG and see what all is under the startup tab.
Figure out where they are actually being set to run (start menu, registry,
etc) and first try to stop them from running through their interfaces ansd
then manually.

As for your Defender problem - *shrug*. No idea *what* you are doing to get
that message - I personally wouldn't have Norton installed on a home machine
and in this case- Defender and Norton likely do not even have the same job.
Defender is for spyware/adware and Norton (depending on the product in
question) is for viruses, trojans and worms. The 'suite' products might
claim to cover all that - but truthfully - they have not made it there and
usually cause more trouble than they are worth (all vendors.)

 

[IDontBelieveIt]

Hi Shenan

I'm interested in your "Figure out where they are actually being set to run
(start menu, registry, > etc)" statement because I am sure that on startup
my PC runs something for a very long time seriously eating up cpu power /
disk accesses. If only I knew how to establish what it was and how I could
get rid of it! Though in fact the PC concerned has XP, I would be most
grateful for any ideas.

Cheers
John

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I'm interested in your "Figure out where they are actually being
set to run (start menu, registry, > etc)" statement because I am
sure that on startup my PC runs something for a very long time
seriously eating up cpu power / disk accesses. If only I knew how
to establish what it was and how I could get rid of it! Though in
fact the PC concerned has XP, I would be most grateful for any
ideas.

If you run MSCONFIG and look at the startup tab - it will not only tell you
what is starting up - but the location of the startup item. STARTUP folder,
REGISTRY, etc.

You can use MSCONFIG to uncheck various startup processes to troubleshoot
problems such as your very easily - but MSCONFIG wasn't really mean tto
remove anything permanently - just allow you to easily turn on/off with a
checkbox proecesses in the STARTUP tab for the next reboot (until you chnage
it back actually.) You may want to use that to troubleshoot whatever it is
you are seeing.

Sometimes a problem lik eyou describe can also be a bum driver trying to
load anbd timing out/failing. You may want to make sure you have the latest
versions of your hardware device drivers from the individual hardware device
manufacturers.

 

[Michal Kawecki]

Dnia Fri, 2 Jul 2010 13:18:32 +0100, KRK napisa³(a):

hello,

I'm trying to check & modify the progs that run at startup. I go to control
panel / change startup programs. I get a message that windows defender is
turned off, and I can get no further unless I turn it back on.

Defender is off because I have Norton. I don't particularly want to have to
to turn it on.

Advice please ?

Here is a very, very good program to do it:

Autoruns for Windows v10.01
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

 

[Bob]

WinPatrol
http://www.winpatrol.com/

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

A helpful program is Autoruns, available free on the Microsoft site -
you'll have to search on that site, since I don't have a link handy.

It gives a complete (way too complete!) list of startup items and where
they are found, but you can just uncheck them within Autoruns very easily.
Just don't turn off anything you don't know the meaning of

The same area in Microsoft also has Process Explorer, a similarly complete
summary of everything that's running, a la Task Manager. PE and TM both can
help you find processes that use a lot of CPU or disk time. Not easily, but
vaguely possible...

 

[Ǝиçεl]

Use AutoRuns to control the startup axis, KK:
<http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx>
-=-

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I'm trying to check & modify the progs that run at startup. I go to
control panel / change startup programs. I get a message that
windows defender is turned off, and I can get no further unless I
turn it back on.
Defender is off because I have Norton. I don't particularly want to
have to to turn it on.

Advice please ?

Start --> RUN --> MSCONFIG and see what all is under the startup
tab. Figure out where they are actually being set to run (start
menu, registry, etc) and first try to stop them from running
through their interfaces ansd then manually.

As for your Defender problem - *shrug*. No idea *what* you are
doing to get that message - I personally wouldn't have Norton
installed on a home machine and in this case- Defender and Norton
likely do not even have the same job. Defender is for
spyware/adware and Norton (depending on the product in question) is
for viruses, trojans and worms. The 'suite' products might claim
to cover all that - but truthfully - they have not made it there
and usually cause more trouble than they are worth (all vendors.)

I'm interested in your "Figure out where they are actually being
set to run (start menu, registry, > etc)" statement because I am
sure that on startup my PC runs something for a very long time
seriously eating up cpu power / disk accesses. If only I knew
how to establish what it was and how I could get rid of it!
Though in fact the PC concerned has XP, I would be most
grateful for any ideas.

A helpful program is Autoruns, available free on the Microsoft site
- you'll have to search on that site, since I don't have a link
handy.
It gives a complete (way too complete!) list of startup items and
where they are found, but you can just uncheck them within Autoruns
very easily. Just don't turn off anything you don't know the
meaning of
The same area in Microsoft also has Process Explorer, a similarly
complete summary of everything that's running, a la Task Manager.
PE and TM both can help you find processes that use a lot of CPU or
disk time. Not easily, but vaguely possible...

Norton 360 does what Defender does (snipped, of course, but that
was in this thread of Norton morons)

Norton 360...?

I have the whole thread in this part of the conversation quoted above and I
fail to see (until you) a mention of Norton 360 in particular. What do you
know that the rest of us do not?

Not that I would ever recommend it and I probably would suggest removing
most home Norton products in exchange for something likely a little
cleaner/more reliable over the years and less expensive (free) whenever
possible.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I'm trying to check & modify the progs that run at startup.

First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
Not all auto-starting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
tray.

On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its
Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of
running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell
you, you should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs
you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but
others have no effect on performance.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do
is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what
the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can try
internet searches and ask about specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.

 

[IDontBelieveIt]

Hi Folks

Thank you all very much indeed for your advice. Much appreciated

Cheers
John

 

[KRK]

Hello again & thanks, this has been very helpful.

KK

 

[Mark Houlsby]

First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
Not all auto-starting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
tray.

On each

"With respect to each..."

program you don't want to start automatically, check its
Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of
running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell
you, you should be concerned,

superfluous comma

not with how *many*

*how many*, not "....how *many*". Look at your later construct to see
why....

of these programs
you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but
others have no effect on performance.

"...exert no effect...". Effects are exerted, not had.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do
is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what
the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can try
internet searches and ask about specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.

"...and those of which you want to be rid." Never end a sentence, let
alone
a post, with a preposition.

Mark Houlsby (who isn't usually a grammar busybody unless he is
TROLLED
by an ignorant fool.)

 

[Shenan Stanley]

<snipped>

Mark Houlsby wrote:

Mark Houlsby (who isn't usually a grammar busybody unless he is
TROLLED by an ignorant fool.)

<sarcasm>
Yes - it is always wise to prove ones worth by repeating the actions they
disliked or were somehow bothered by in kind. Works for kids in the 4 to 12
year-old range quite well; "I know you are, but what am I...?" chants are
sorely missed in the world of adults.
</sarcasm>

Although - a simple Internet search:
http://groups.google.com/groups/sea...ch=groups.google.com&as_uauthors=Mark+Houlsby
... changes the conclusion you made, methinks. ;-)

Enjoy the fray - for what little time it lasts.

 

[Mark Houlsby]

<snipped>

Mark Houlsby wrote:



<sarcasm>
Yes - it is always wise to prove ones worth by repeating the actions they
disliked or were somehow bothered by in kind.  Works for kids in the 4 to 12
year-old range quite well;  "I know you are, but what am I...?" chants are
sorely missed in the world of adults.
</sarcasm>

Although - a simple Internet search:http://groups.google.com/groups/search?as_q=grammar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as...
 ... changes the conclusion you made, methinks.  ;-)

Enjoy the fray - for what little time it lasts.

Oh, I shall. Thanks for your interest.

Mark Houlsby

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

<snipped>

Mark Houlsby wrote:


<sarcasm>
Yes - it is always wise to prove ones worth by repeating the actions they
disliked or were somehow bothered by in kind. Works for kids in the 4 to 12
year-old range quite well; "I know you are, but what am I...?" chants are
sorely missed in the world of adults.
</sarcasm>

Although - a simple Internet search:
http://groups.google.com/groups/sea...ch=groups.google.com&as_uauthors=Mark+Houlsby
... changes the conclusion you made, methinks. ;-)

Enjoy the fray - for what little time it lasts.

Fray? Not with me. I'll just ignore him. And I'll do it the easy
way--by killfiling him.

 

[Mark Houlsby]

Fray? Not with me. I'll just ignore him. And I'll do it the easy
way--by killfiling him.

That seems to be a very good plan. Don't start a sentence with:
"And..." BTW.

Mark Houlsby

p.s. F.A.O. Shenan Stanley. When you characterised this little spat
as being appropriate to the age bracket 4-12 years, you were
absolutely correct.

It's possible, however, that you did not gather all of the relevant
facts together,
one in particular... Ken Blake MVP *started* this, so clearly it was
his behaving
like a child *first* which caused these particular consequences to
ensue....

 

[Kevin John Panzke]

Mark Houlsby wrote: > On 4 July, 01:46, "Ken Blake, MVP"
18:44:11 -0500, "Shenan Stanley" > > > > > > > > > > > >
repeating the actions they > > > disliked or were somehow bothered by
in kind.  Works for kids in the 4 to 12 > > > year-old range quite
well;  "I know you are, but what am I...?" chants are > > > sorely
missed in the world of adults. > > > </sarcasm> > > > > > Although - a
simple Internet search: > > >http://groups.google.com/groups/search?
as_q=grammar&as_epq=&as_oq=&as... > > >  ... changes the conclusion
you made, methinks.  ;-) > > > > > Enjoy the fray - for what little
time it lasts. > > > > Fray? Not with me. I'll just ignore him. And
I'll do it the eas

 

[Mark Houlsby]

That seems to be a very good plan. Don't start a sentence with:
"And..." BTW.

Mark Houlsby

p.s. F.A.O. Shenan Stanley. When you characterised this little spat
as being appropriate to the age bracket 4-12 years, you were
absolutely correct.

It's possible, however, that you did not gather all of the relevant
facts together,
one in particular... Ken Blake MVP *started* this, so clearly it was
his behaving
like a child *first* which caused these particular consequences to
ensue....