start up problems; f8, safe mode and BIOS....oh my!

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tigris_nl

Hello

A few days ago, there was an auto update installed on my pc and since then,
I cannot get past the welcome page. (no idea what the update was).
Everytime I enter my admin password, it loads the settings, flashes my
desktop, then saves the settings and logs me off. I tried logging in as
guest, but the same thing happens.

I've been searching for a solution for a long time and am quite overwhelmed
by the various info and solutions given...with no luck!

I have tried the f8 for safe mode, but that is not an option as only "boot
up device" menu comes up. I have tried all other "f" buttons, but nothing.
I have changed the USB Legacy option in the BIOS....yep....nothing!!!

Could this have something to do with "NTLDR"....or should I just do a
recovery or re-install?

Please note....I CANNOT get into Windows....so please keep that in mind if
offering any advice or solutions!

I appreciate all input!
Thanks
Jen
 
L

Leonard Grey

Restart your computer and immediately start rapidly tapping the F8 key
until you arrive at the Windows Advanced Options Menu.

Select Safe Mode.

Once your computer boots into Safe Mode you have many options. For
example: You can use System Restore to return your computer to a restore
point made just before you installed the updates. Or you can inspect
Event Viewer for more details on the cause of your problem. You can also
run a thorough malware scan.

It takes a little practice with the F8 key, but it's worthwhile. If you
cannot get to the Advanced Options Menu you'll have to show your
computer to a technician.
 
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nass

tigris_nl said:
Hello

A few days ago, there was an auto update installed on my pc and since then,
I cannot get past the welcome page. (no idea what the update was).
Everytime I enter my admin password, it loads the settings, flashes my
desktop, then saves the settings and logs me off. I tried logging in as
guest, but the same thing happens.

I've been searching for a solution for a long time and am quite overwhelmed
by the various info and solutions given...with no luck!

I have tried the f8 for safe mode, but that is not an option as only "boot
up device" menu comes up. I have tried all other "f" buttons, but nothing.
I have changed the USB Legacy option in the BIOS....yep....nothing!!!

Could this have something to do with "NTLDR"....or should I just do a
recovery or re-install?

Please note....I CANNOT get into Windows....so please keep that in mind if
offering any advice or solutions!

I appreciate all input!
Thanks
Jen

Hi Jen,
When you get to the Boot device, which if I understood you right try to
select/highlight the HDD and press F8 to get to the Boot Up Options and try
to Restore the Machine to an earlier date.
HTH,
nass
 
D

db

simply holding down
the f8 key, instead of
clicking continuously
works better.

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D

db

did you not see that I
did not reply to the
o.p., mr. wise guy?

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DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces

"share the nirvana" - dbZen

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
T

tigris_nl

Thanks nass

I tried it, but nothing came up.
The f8 button seems to have nothing to do with the safe mode.

Any other ideas?
Perhaps the NTLDR? (whatever that is) :)

Thanks all the same
 
L

Leonard Grey

If you're very certain that you can't arrive at the Advanced Options
Menu your remaining choices are to show your computer to a professional
or to erase your hard disk and start over.
 
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Anna

tigris_nl said:
Thanks nass

I tried it, but nothing came up.
The f8 button seems to have nothing to do with the safe mode.

Any other ideas?
Perhaps the NTLDR? (whatever that is) :)

Thanks all the same


Jen:
Try tapping the F5 key during bootup - about once every second or two. See
if that takes you to the Windows Advanced Options menu.

If it does, try selecting the Last Known Good Configuration... menu item.
See if that resolves the problem(s) you're experiencing.

If you're able to reach the Advanced Options menu but invoking the above
menu item doesn't resolve your problem, report back and include info as to
the make/model of the involved PC or the make/model of the system's
motherboard (if you know it). And if you have a Windows XP installation CD
available tell us something about it. Is it a retail copy? A unbranded OEM
copy? Or do you have only a restore or recovery system CD available?
Anna
 
N

nass

Jen:
Try tapping the F5 key during bootup - about once every second or two. See
if that takes you to the Windows Advanced Options menu.

If it does, try selecting the Last Known Good Configuration... menu item.
See if that resolves the problem(s) you're experiencing.

If you're able to reach the Advanced Options menu but invoking the above
menu item doesn't resolve your problem, report back and include info as to
the make/model of the involved PC or the make/model of the system's
motherboard (if you know it). And if you have a Windows XP installation CD
available tell us something about it. Is it a retail copy? A unbranded OEM
copy? Or do you have only a restore or recovery system CD available?
Anna


Adding to Anna advice, you may hitting the F8 early and you need to wait for
the Windows Logo to appear and Start to Hit F8 to get to the Boot menu
options.
Does the menu appear is complete blue and centered in the windows?
I think you are getting a screen asking you which device to boot from and
represent you with:
Hard Drive <usually a number
CD/DVD
USB
Floppy...etc.

If you slect the HDD and press F8 you will get to the Boot up menu options
and one of them will be the Safe Mode Option.

We can't assume it is Ntldr, since no BSOD error message. It just hang on
the welcome screen, it may be the Gina.dll damaged or the Updates
instalaation failed!
Try many times( Imean many starts if the first failed) and I'm sure you will
get to the Safe Mode and if you performed Systme Restore you will rectify the
issue.

Or As Anna mentioned let us have the info about the Machine Make and if
there is an Error.
HTH,
nass
 
T

tigris_nl

Anna said:
Jen:
Try tapping the F5 key during bootup - about once every second or two. See
if that takes you to the Windows Advanced Options menu.

If it does, try selecting the Last Known Good Configuration... menu item.
See if that resolves the problem(s) you're experiencing.

If you're able to reach the Advanced Options menu but invoking the above
menu item doesn't resolve your problem, report back and include info as to
the make/model of the involved PC or the make/model of the system's
motherboard (if you know it). And if you have a Windows XP installation CD
available tell us something about it. Is it a retail copy? A unbranded OEM
copy? Or do you have only a restore or recovery system CD available?
Anna

The f5 button worked!

However, after going into Safe Mode, I still can't get passed the Welcome
screen. Still the same problem there....I enter my password, the pc loads my
settings, the desktop flashes , saves my settings and and I'm back to the
Welcome screen.

I know my password is correct, because it always loads my settings and I
never change that password. When I try under the guest account (no password
required) the same loop occurs....so I think that deleting my admin password
would not change anything...right?

My pc has an Asus motherboard PSGD1-VM. I have the original CD of Win XP
Pro...it came with the pc when I had it made. The company that made it was
bought out, so going to them for help is not an option.

I notice I have a lot more options in the advanced menu.....should I try
"Last known good config"?

Nass: the f8 button does nothing, even under the device menu....I've tried
countless times

Thanks so much for your help Anna and nass!!!!
 
D

Daave

tigris_nl said:
Hello

A few days ago, there was an auto update installed on my pc and since
then, I cannot get past the welcome page. (no idea what the update
was). Everytime I enter my admin password, it loads the settings,
flashes my desktop, then saves the settings and logs me off. I tried
logging in as guest, but the same thing happens.

I've been searching for a solution for a long time and am quite
overwhelmed by the various info and solutions given...with no luck!

I have tried the f8 for safe mode, but that is not an option as only
"boot up device" menu comes up. I have tried all other "f" buttons,
but nothing. I have changed the USB Legacy option in the
BIOS....yep....nothing!!!

Could this have something to do with "NTLDR"....or should I just do a
recovery or re-install?

Please note....I CANNOT get into Windows....so please keep that in
mind if offering any advice or solutions!

If Last Known Good Configuration doesn't work, try the method outlined
on this page:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

Personally, I prefer to manually update my system precisely because of
the problem you are experiencing!
 
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Anna

tigris_nl said:
The f5 button worked!

However, after going into Safe Mode, I still can't get passed the Welcome
screen. Still the same problem there....I enter my password, the pc loads
my
settings, the desktop flashes , saves my settings and and I'm back to the
Welcome screen.

I know my password is correct, because it always loads my settings and I
never change that password. When I try under the guest account (no
password
required) the same loop occurs....so I think that deleting my admin
password
would not change anything...right?

My pc has an Asus motherboard PSGD1-VM. I have the original CD of Win XP
Pro...it came with the pc when I had it made. The company that made it
was
bought out, so going to them for help is not an option.

I notice I have a lot more options in the advanced menu.....should I try
"Last known good config"?

Nass: the f8 button does nothing, even under the device menu....I've
tried
countless times

Thanks so much for your help Anna and nass!!!!


Jen:
By all means try the "Last Known Good Configuration..." menu item. If that
works in that you're able to achieve a bootable, functional system, then
well & good. Make sure you re:check your system for any malware and
download/install whatever Microsoft critical updates are available for your
system. Also, at a minimum (should the system not presently contain it),
install SP2. Work with the system for a while to determine all is well and
then download/install SP3 at some later date.

But if the LKGC... does not resolve your problem(s)...

1. Insert your XP installation CD and boot to the CD.
2. At the "Welcome to Setup" screen, press R to enter the Recovery Console.
3. You'll be prompted to enter your Administrator password and the number of
your Windows installation. That number will probably be 1.
4. At the command prompt type chkdsk /r and press Enter.

Should your problem arise from a not-too-terribly corrupted OS and doesn't
involve a hardware issue, the chkdsk process will (hopefully) correct the
problem.

But if it doesn't...

I would suggest running a Repair install of the OS.

I assume you've never done this before so here's some general info on the
process...

Undertaking a Repair install of the OS is a relatively straightforward
process. It would be roughly akin to making a fresh install of the OS, but
in nearly every case your existing programs & user-created data would be
retained. Notice I said "nearly". While it would be a rather rare situation
where data would be lost or corrupted as a result of the Repair install, and
as unlikely as it may be, it *could* happen.

So if there are any programs and/or other data on your present drive that
are absolutely crucial to you and you could not tolerate their loss, then I
would strongly suggest that before undertaking this Repair install operation
that you first either make a "clone" of your existing HDD (using a disk
imaging or disk cloning program) or, if that's not practical, install the
HDD in another machine as a secondary HDD so that you can pull off whatever
data you want onto some removable media, e.g., flash drive, USB external
HDD, CD, etc.

Again, while it's a relatively rare event that a loss or corruption of data
will occur even when the Repair install is unsuccessful, it *can* happen. So
I want you to be aware of this. I should also mention that there's a similar
possibility of further data corruption when the chkdsk /r command is invoked
(as suggested above). Again, while the danger of such is slight, it's still
a possibility.

There are a number of websites that contain detailed information on the
Repair install process. Let me assure you that it's not a difficult process
and not terribly time-consuming. As I've indicated it's roughly similar to
making a fresh install of the XP OS. If you do a Google search on "XP repair
install", you'll be pointed to many of these websites that contain
step-by-step instructions for undertaking a Repair install. Here are a
few...
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm#RI
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=138
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/winxppro/installxpcdrepair/indexfullpage.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;315341

Again, to emphasize. Running a Repair install is virtually identical to
fresh-installing the XP OS on one's system.

Assuming the Repair install is successful, you should use your A-V program
to immediately check out your PC for any virus infestation. Also, as
previously indicated, should your XP installation CD not contain SP2,
download & install that Service Pack. Work with the system for a while and
if all is well download & install Service Pack 3. Then download/install all
the MS critical updates since SP3 was released.

Anyway, give this Repair install of the OS some thought if you can't get
your system back to a functional state any other way. Understand that even
if the problem originates from a corrupted OS, i.e., no hardware issue is
involved, the Repair install is not always successful. And in the final
analysis there may be no other recourse but to fresh-install the OS.

Just one other thing...
Although it doesn't sound like your problem may have arisen as a consequence
of some hardware problem, it is conceivable that you're dealing with such
here and not just a corruption of the OS. Where a hardware-type problem may
be the culprit, it's usually the HDD that's defective although it's entirely
possible some other major component of your system may be at the root of the
problem you're experiencing. In any event, it's possible that you may be
dealing with a defective HDD so it probably would be wise to check out the
HDD with a HDD diagnostic utility you can (usually) download from the
website of the disk's manufacturer. It's very easy to use - the downloaded
program allows you to create either a bootable floppy disk or bootable CD
containing the HDD diagnostic program. So keep the preceding in mind as a
possibility and give it some consideration should the other approaches not
resolve your problem(s).
Anna
 
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nass

tigris_nl said:
The f5 button worked!

However, after going into Safe Mode, I still can't get passed the Welcome
screen. Still the same problem there....I enter my password, the pc loads my
settings, the desktop flashes , saves my settings and and I'm back to the
Welcome screen.

I know my password is correct, because it always loads my settings and I
never change that password. When I try under the guest account (no password
required) the same loop occurs....so I think that deleting my admin password
would not change anything...right?

My pc has an Asus motherboard PSGD1-VM. I have the original CD of Win XP
Pro...it came with the pc when I had it made. The company that made it was
bought out, so going to them for help is not an option.

I notice I have a lot more options in the advanced menu.....should I try
"Last known good config"?

Nass: the f8 button does nothing, even under the device menu....I've tried
countless times

Thanks so much for your help Anna and nass!!!!

Try Last Known Good Configuration and see if that will take you to the
Desktop and you can log into it. If you are able to do so, try to scan for
malware and viruses then run this command:
sfc /scannow you may need your XP Installation Disk Handy, if the OS asked
to so!

If the last Known Good Config took you in a Loop with the password failure,
try to blank the password using this tool:

http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/

If the process look too much and you have Data you want to rescue, please
take the machine to your nearest repair shop to rescue the data and repair
the machine.
HTH,
nass
 
T

tigris_nl

Daave said:
If Last Known Good Configuration doesn't work, try the method outlined
on this page:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307545

Personally, I prefer to manually update my system precisely because of
the problem you are experiencing!
Thanks Daave

I'm beyond frustrated now

Last known good config did not work
I tried your link, and it would not allow me to do any of the commands
So I tried to reinstall Windows and when I got to the welcome screen, I
could not get passed it.

NOW WHAT!!!!????

Thanks for trying
Jen
 
D

Daave

tigris_nl said:
Thanks Daave

I'm beyond frustrated now

Last known good config did not work
I tried your link, and it would not allow me to do any of the commands
So I tried to reinstall Windows and when I got to the welcome screen,
I
could not get passed it.

NOW WHAT!!!!????

Anna gave you a wealth of information and some very helpful links.
Although I am not there to observe what you are doing, it seems like you
are not following *all* the instructions.

The first thing to do is SLOW DOWN! Take a deep breath. :)

Now, that you have done that, assess your situation. Do you really want
to undertake all this work, or as Leonard not so subtly hinted, would
you rather pay a professional to bail you out?

If the latter, there is absolutely no shame in this! Just make sure you
pick a reputable local tech. Do NOT go to a Geek Squad type of place.

If you want to give it another crack, again, assess the situation. Do
you have any valuable data on your hard drive that has not been backed
up yet? If you do, now is the time to back it up. Usually this means
copying it to another hard drive (e.g., an external USB hard drive).
Since you can't get past the Welcome Screen, you should still be able to
acceess and transfer your data by booting off a rescue CD such as
Knoppix, Bart's PE, or UBCD4Win. Assuming you don't have one already,
you will need to borrow one from someone else. And if you can't do that,
you will need to make your own. Of course you will need access to
another PC that is online and that has CD burning capapbility.

An alternative to the rescue CD is to physically remove the hard drive
and place it either in a USB enclosure or slave it to another drive in
another PC. Do you see now why Leonard suggested you pay a professional?
:)

If you do not have valuable data that you wish to salvage, you should go
back to Anna's post because she covered all the bases.

By the way, the reason you couldn't reinstall Windows is because instead
of booting off the installation CD, you booted off the faulty hard
drive. Either press the proper key immediately after powering on the PC
(that is, before Windows has a chance to load) to access your boot menu
so that you may choose to boot off the CD or configure your setting in
the BIOS to allow you to boot off the CD rather than the hard drive. The
key to access the BIOS depends upon your PC/motherboard. This page
should help:

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/bios_manufacturer.htm

A repair install should preserve your data. A clean install will wipe
*everything*.

Try the repair install first. Again, Anna posted very helpful links.
It's important you carefully follow *all* the directions.
 
T

tigris_nl

Thank you all

Naas...thanks, but I'm not ready to give up....YET :)

Anna...the info you gave me was amazing...I will check it all out shortly.
Thanks for taking the time....you must have had cramped fingers after that :)

Daave...you're absolutely right! I have to slow down and go over all of the
info again. I have a college diploma in pc support, and as out of date as it
may be, I'd really like to fix this on my own, so I'll have to take the time
and look at the whole situation again.

I'll give all an update soon. Hopeflly I'll have some good results to report.

Thanks so much everyone for the extended support!!!! It's nice to come to a
place where one is not made to feel like an idiot!

Jen
 
N

nass

tigris_nl said:
Thank you all

Naas...thanks, but I'm not ready to give up....YET :)

Anna...the info you gave me was amazing...I will check it all out shortly.
Thanks for taking the time....you must have had cramped fingers after that :)

Daave...you're absolutely right! I have to slow down and go over all of the
info again. I have a college diploma in pc support, and as out of date as it
may be, I'd really like to fix this on my own, so I'll have to take the time
and look at the whole situation again.

I'll give all an update soon. Hopeflly I'll have some good results to report.

Thanks so much everyone for the extended support!!!! It's nice to come to a
place where one is not made to feel like an idiot!

Jen

Jen
You need to blank the password first to repair to log into the Operating
system. The link I gave you earlier was to blank ALL the passwords which you
will find on this machine.

If the blankning procedure gone to plan and okay you will Boot up to windows
and from there you can investigate the issue further by checking the Logs and
scan the system for malware and errors.

Well, your steps should be:
- Blanking the password.
- Log into the system if that possible.
- Check the machine for malware and viruses.
- Check for errors by opening the event viewer.
- Check the consistency of the HDD/Health wise!

Note: you can't reainstall windows from inside windows. You need to log into
the BIOS and change the Boot sequence to:
1- CD/DVD
2- HDD
3- Floppy
4- USB devices.

Reboot with th4e CD in the CD-ROM and press any Key to start the windows
procedure of Reinstall(clean install) or Repair.
HTH,
nass
 

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