Spybot Search and Destroy 1.3 RC3 has been released

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Bob Adkins

So as a result you prefer to do the Ms patch scramble, and antispyware
update scramble , your choice.

Hi Aaron,

I really don't care what browser or OS you use, and it's beyond me why it's
so important to you what others use.

If I decide to use Firebird or Linux, it will be because I decide to do so.
It will not be because of the incessant trashing of MS products by others.
Huh? The defintion of trojan has nothing to do with "going after" other
software.

It's a fact that some spyware and browser highjackers disable Ad-Aware and
CW Shredder.

This is more than spying, and more than throwing popups in your face. This
is destroying your software functionality. Therefore it's more akin to a
trojan. I'm sorry you disagree.

Bob

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Aaron

Hi Aaron,

I really don't care what browser or OS you use, and it's beyond me why
it's so important to you what others use.

Your choice, as I said already.


It's a fact that some spyware and browser highjackers disable Ad-Aware
and CW Shredder.

Yes, but it's equally a fact that whether anything is a trojan or not
does not depend on this.
This is more than spying, and more than throwing popups in your face.
This is destroying your software functionality. Therefore it's more
akin to a trojan. I'm sorry you disagree.


It's not more akain to a trojan since the defintion of what a trojan is
doesn't depend on whether it destroys your software functionality or
whether it turns off firewalls or whatever.

The definition of a trojan is usually something like this "a computer
program that disguises itself as a useful software application that is
actually used to gain access to your computer."

Normally it does not self-replicate which makes it different from a virus
and worm.

You can type define:trojan horse into google to verify that.


That's all. I'm sorry you are not aware of this.




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Aaron

Ah. This one runs in the Tray by default.

The process calls itself "TeaTimer", and has a 5,360KB footprint,
which is not trivial. Wonder why it's not called "SpybotTray" or
something that doesn't send you running to Google to find out what in
the heck it is?

I guess a malware author is going to call his process, spybottray.exe or
maybe adwareprotector.exe to fool you :)
Apparently SpyBot is working toward being a full-blown, resident,
active Spyware prevention system. Immunizations have tripled in the
last 3 releases, now the resident Tray app by default.

Immunizations? Those are not resident.
Bob

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Bob Adkins

Immunizations? Those are not resident.


Who said immunizations were resident?

Once more, I'm asking you to get off my back Aaron. This will be the last
time.

Bob

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Aaron

Who said immunizations were resident?

Clearly, I thought you did, hence the question.
Once more, I'm asking you to get off my back Aaron. This will be the
last time.

Am I not permitted to clarify a statement of yours? I'm not going to be
bullied by you into avoiding threads that you are in, if that's what
getting off your back means.
Bob

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Bob Adkins

Am I not permitted to clarify a statement of yours? I'm not going to be
bullied by you into avoiding threads that you are in, if that's what
getting off your back means.

You are more than welcome to clarify anything on any post of mine.

All I'm asking is that you don't hammer me about using MS products. I don't
comment on OS and browser preferences unless it's the topic at hand. It
would also be helpful if you give my posts a second read before correcting
me. My writing style is not the clearest, but my point is usually in there
somewhere. :)

Bob

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Aaron

You are more than welcome to clarify anything on any post of mine.

All I'm asking is that you don't hammer me about using MS products. I
don't comment on OS and browser preferences unless it's the topic at
hand.


Er, the last time I checked Spybot isn't a Ms product, so your complaint
here is rather strange. Or perhaps you mean this as a reply to another
post?

Even in *that* post, I wasn't targetting Ms products, I just gave my views
on this forum.

I suspect you very much agree, either use a Non-Ie product and remain
relatively secure OR use a IE product but do the patch updates and use
spyware protection protection for about the same level of protection.

But instead You chimed in
I refuse to let the bastards win by forcing me to change my browser. I
will
use the browser *I prefer, play it safe, and the purveyors of spybots can
go to the devil.

Well, I suppose, I should complain about you hammering me about using non-
IE products? Sounds to me, you just read that line and acted all defensive.
When in fact, I was just listing the ways to reduce the chance of getting
spyware. And despite what you think, using non-Ie browsers is not a crime,
nor a surrender.

Really, I'm sick and tired of you hammering on me about using non-IE
products :).

Also Remember, you responded to a post of mine, so don't act all blasted
defensive and act like a victim.

It would also be helpful if you give my posts a second read
before correcting me. My writing style is not the clearest, but my
point is usually in there somewhere. :)

Well, so are you mistakes. :)

You might think I'm espically hard on you, but if you read my posts, I'm
equally hard on people when they post wrong facts,or confuse what different
security apps do (hence my hammering on you about the phrase entering the
domain of "trojans" elsewhere).

BTW this seems to be getting more and more common these days.

People stating outright about what program x does as compared to Y, and
when challenged, confessed they never used it before!







Bob

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Bob Adkins

Er, the last time I checked Spybot isn't a Ms product, so your complaint
here is rather strange. Or perhaps you mean this as a reply to another
post?

Come on Aaron, quit trying to be cute.
Even in *that* post, I wasn't targetting Ms products, I just gave my views
on this forum.

In an earlier thread, you said "Don't use IE as your primary browser". The
question was not about IE, it was about Spybot.
I suspect you very much agree, either use a Non-Ie product and remain
relatively secure OR use a IE product but do the patch updates and use
spyware protection protection for about the same level of protection.

But instead You chimed in


will
use the browser *I prefer, play it safe, and the purveyors of spybots can
go to the devil.

Well, I suppose, I should complain about you hammering me about using non-
IE products? Sounds to me, you just read that line and acted all defensive.
When in fact, I was just listing the ways to reduce the chance of getting
spyware. And despite what you think, using non-Ie browsers is not a crime,
nor a surrender.

You know you are a crusader.
Really, I'm sick and tired of you hammering on me about using non-IE
products :).

Eh? Where?
Also Remember, you responded to a post of mine, so don't act all blasted
defensive and act like a victim.

Just annoyed is all. It's not that important to me.
Well, so are you mistakes. :)

You might think I'm espically hard on you, but if you read my posts, I'm
equally hard on people when they post wrong facts,or confuse what different
security apps do (hence my hammering on you about the phrase entering the
domain of "trojans" elsewhere).

"Wrong facts". Thanks! I'll add that to my oxymoron collection. :)

Seriously, the essence of what some trojans do and what certain spyware does
are identical. Just because the goals of the trojan and the spyware are
different does not change the facts.
BTW this seems to be getting more and more common these days.

People stating outright about what program x does as compared to Y, and
when challenged, confessed they never used it before!

That's not the case with me. I have used...EVERYTHING! :)

Bob

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Aaron

Come on Aaron, quit trying to be cute.

*You* are the one trying to be cute. I'm just getting annoyed with you
complaining all the time about me and trying to peg me into a anti-MS
person, which I'm definitely not.

In an earlier thread, you said "Don't use IE as your primary browser".

I recommend you read the whole post again. Despite my last post, you
still are hung up on a single sentence ,drawn out of context.
The question was not about IE, it was about Spybot.

This is insane.

The question ventured from spybot to preventing spyware. And it was
natural to point out that using non-IE browsers is a way of preventing
spyware. Or do I need your permission to point that out?

Seems to me you are all for free speech when you want to promote myie2,
but when I promote Firefox in a perfectly reasonable way, I'm a crusader?
You know you are a crusader.

You know you are a crusader for myie2. We have gone over this a million
times.

Someone asks for a simple popup blocker, you recommend myie2, which is
way more than what is asked for.

Someone asks for a *secure* eraser to delete IE tracks , you recommend
myie2, despite the fact that when asked you don't know if it does secure
deletion. And then start ranting about the fact why someone would need
such security,since you evidently didn't.

Search this newsgroup for any thread which mentions myie2,browser
alternatives, your name is on everyone of them.

Sounds to me it's like pot calling the kettle black.
Eh? Where?

Come on Bob, quit trying to act cute. I say something like either use
Firefox to avoid spyware or use IE and other software for protection, a
perfectly reasonable statement and you jump in with strong emotional
words like "letting the bastards win".

Crusader? I strongly recommend, you reflect on your own actions before
pointing your finger at others.

Just annoyed is all. It's not that important to me.

Well now I'm annoyed! If you are so afraid of a response from me, then
killfile me now and be done with it.

"Wrong facts". Thanks! I'll add that to my oxymoron collection. :)
Seriously, the essence of what some trojans do and what certain
spyware does are identical. Just because the goals of the trojan and
the spyware are different does not change the facts.

Bob, just admit you have no idea what you are talking about. The *goals*
of trojans (you mean the people using it right?) has nothing to do with
what a definition of a trojan is. Your phrase "entering the domain of
trojans" is meaningless at best and nonsense at worse, since there is "no
domain" that a trojan occupies.

In fact, it's arguable that *some* spyware are trojans and vice-versa, a
backdoor program that is distributed as a free game is a trojan to trick
users into running them . It certainly allows you to be spied on , so it
is spyware too.

Attacking firewalls, scanner programs, certainly doesn't make it a
trojan. How many worms and viruses do you know try to shut down firewalls
and antiviruses? Does that suddenly, make people want to call them
trojans?

You seem to have this idea that any malware that attacks or disables
other software is a trojan, I hate to break it to you, but that's not the
case.

That's not the case with me. I have used...EVERYTHING! :)

Well, you might have used everything, but you don't know if Myie2 does a
secure deletion of browser tracks :)
Bob

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Bob Adkins

Bob, just admit you have no idea what you are talking about. The *goals*
of trojans (you mean the people using it right?) has nothing to do with
what a definition of a trojan is. Your phrase "entering the domain of
trojans" is meaningless at best and nonsense at worse, since there is "no
domain" that a trojan occupies.

OK, Aaron I get it now. I understand why you attacked me.

You took the word "domain" out of context. Exchange the word "realm" for
"domain" and you'll get my original meaning.

Bob

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Alastair Smeaton

OK, Aaron I get it now. I understand why you attacked me.

You took the word "domain" out of context. Exchange the word "realm" for
"domain" and you'll get my original meaning.

Bob

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Bob - have you not worked it out yet ? Whether you use MS products or
not, use the correct terminology or not, does not matter.

You are not Aaron - therefore you are wrong, and any attempt to argue
otherwise is futile. As a casual bystander here - he has tried to pick
arguments with more than you in this thread -maybe best leave him to
argue with himself - maybe that way he will win :)
 
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Anonymous

As Grandpa McCoy used to say, "No boast, just fact." Or do you know
something about my system that I don't?

Was that not the elder Sonnet as in the Sons of Will Sonnet? And I believe
it was No brag, just fact.

Bubba
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John Corliss

Anonymous said:
Was that not the elder Sonnet as in the Sons of Will Sonnet? And I believe
it was No brag, just fact.

You're absolutely correct. But then, I never really watched that
series very often.
 
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Aaron

OK, Aaron I get it now. I understand why you attacked me.

"attacked", "hammered", yes I have it in for you. :)
You took the word "domain" out of context. Exchange the word "realm"
for "domain" and you'll get my original meaning.

Not really.

Bob

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Kurt

John Corliss wrote in
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Show title was 'The guns of Will Sonnet'. Walter Brennan played the
father of Will Sonnet, who, IFAIK, never showed up in any of the
episodes. "No brag, just fact."
 
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Bob Adkins

arguments with more than you in this thread -maybe best leave him to
argue with himself - maybe that way he will win :)

Yep, you're right. I could have predicted where this was going to go. When
the arguing began, I should have bailed out and not wasted words on a lost
cause. <sigh>

Bob

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