Spam question- OT

M

ms

My ISP (DUN) offers a spam filter, it was very effective up to several
weeks ago.

But now I find spammers leaking through the filter.

I add their domain names from their username to the spam filter, but it
does no good.

The spammers constantly change username domain names, it seems.

Advice?

Mike Sa
 
M

Mark Warner

ms said:
My ISP (DUN) offers a spam filter, it was very effective up to several
weeks ago.

But now I find spammers leaking through the filter.

I add their domain names from their username to the spam filter, but
it does no good.

The spammers constantly change username domain names, it seems.

Aren't you using Thunderbird? Are you "training" its spam filter?
 
B

badgolferman

My ISP (DUN) offers a spam filter, it was very effective up to
several weeks ago.

But now I find spammers leaking through the filter.

I add their domain names from their username to the spam filter, but
it does no good.

The spammers constantly change username domain names, it seems.

Advice?

Mike Sa

That is why I have a Bayesian filtering spam application on my computer
also. I like K9.
http://keir.net/k9.html
 
M

mike

ms said:
My ISP (DUN) offers a spam filter, it was very effective up to several
weeks ago.

But now I find spammers leaking through the filter.

I add their domain names from their username to the spam filter, but it
does no good.
Hello mike

I used pop tray when I was spam ridden, (they haven't found my new ISP
yet).

It's like a later and better version of what mailwasher was.

You can read the headers straight off the server, and delete spam off the
server without fetching it.

It has a helpful regex (and English) rule making section to pre-mark spam
for deletion, or even delete it right away without your seeing it.

I don't trust clever filters, as they have to import at least some of the
message, and IMO you need to check yourself that wanted mail is not being
deleted, so you *still* have to look at the headers.

But I don't want to argue about Bayesian filters, it's a religious matter!

It's a small, minimal effort very effective prog, and I'll be re-installing
it if/when the buggers find me again!

mike
 
M

ms

Aren't you using Thunderbird? Are you "training" its spam filter?

This is about my POP3 mail account, and I haven't yet reloaded TB, but I
don't use it for mail.

Mike Sa
 
M

ms

What are you using as your email client?

I use Fastmail (webmail) - IIRC, didn't you recommend it to me awhile
ago?

For years, I used Netscape Communicator, then Thunderbird, but decided to
mainly switch to free webmail and now have a "real" account, and a
throwaway account on another free webmail server. All due to spammers.

For POP3, I have been using Popcorn as a mail checker, as I really don't
use Pop3 much any more. It does a fine job as a simple mail client.

There are a few computer newsletters I still get on POP3, so Popcorn
shows me the spam leaking through my ISP spam filter.

See my reply below, as Poptray seems to be an improvement.

Mike Sa
 
M

ms

Hello mike

I used pop tray when I was spam ridden, (they haven't found my new ISP
yet).

It's like a later and better version of what mailwasher was.

You can read the headers straight off the server, and delete spam off
the server without fetching it.

It has a helpful regex (and English) rule making section to pre-mark
spam for deletion, or even delete it right away without your seeing
it.

I don't trust clever filters, as they have to import at least some of
the message, and IMO you need to check yourself that wanted mail is
not being deleted, so you *still* have to look at the headers.

But I don't want to argue about Bayesian filters, it's a religious
matter!

It's a small, minimal effort very effective prog, and I'll be
re-installing it if/when the buggers find me again!

mike

Mike, Poptray has a feature that is better than Popcorn. If I see a spam,
rightclick adds it to a black list. Popcorn has no filters.

I will play with it some more, see how it works. I converted it to
executable, runs fine.

BTW, I sure agree with you about automatic filters, your statement above
says it all. I've lost mail in the past that way.

Mike Sa
 
M

ms

(e-mail address removed) wrote in
Please do not change the "Subject:" line needlessly.
Thank you.

J

I assume that's because some people use filters. In my post, it became a
freeware discussion, so I removed OT in my reply, but I understand your
point.

Mike Sa
 
M

ms

Hello mike

I used pop tray when I was spam ridden, (they haven't found my new ISP
yet).

It's like a later and better version of what mailwasher was.

You can read the headers straight off the server, and delete spam off
the server without fetching it.

It has a helpful regex (and English) rule making section to pre-mark
spam for deletion, or even delete it right away without your seeing
it.

I don't trust clever filters, as they have to import at least some of
the message, and IMO you need to check yourself that wanted mail is
not being deleted, so you *still* have to look at the headers.

But I don't want to argue about Bayesian filters, it's a religious
matter!

It's a small, minimal effort very effective prog, and I'll be
re-installing it if/when the buggers find me again!

mike

Mike:

I have a few comments on Pop Tray:

If I select a message to delete, it takes a long time to be deleted,
compared to Popcorn.

When I open a message, the text size is tiny (for my eyes), see no way to
change it.

It is a mail checker, not a mail client, so it needs an associated mail
program. It can respond to a message, but not new mail. Popcorn can
compose a new mail message by itself.

Pop Tray does put spam into it's black list easily. In Popcorn, I have to
copy the spam username, browse to my ISP spam site and paste the name
into a black list.

Have to work with it some more.

Comment?
 
M

mike

ms said:
Mike:

I have a few comments on Pop Tray:

If I select a message to delete, it takes a long time to be deleted,
compared to Popcorn.

When I open a message, the text size is tiny (for my eyes), see no way
to change it.

It never bothered me, but ISWYM
It is a mail checker, not a mail client, so it needs an associated
mail program. It can respond to a message, but not new mail. Popcorn
can compose a new mail message by itself.

Bully for Popcorn; I find poptray means I often don't open my mail client,
as it's all spam, and deleted without starting an email prog. Or letting it
on my puter.
It has a button to start the email prog when you've cleared the spam.
Pop Tray does put spam into it's black list easily.

Mailwasher style!
In Popcorn, I have to copy the spam username, browse to my ISP spam site
and paste the> name into a black list.

Yuck

The rules are much more powerful and are easily set up under the rules tab

Here's a copy of my old rules.ini file

[Options]
NumRules=8

[Rule1]
Name=japanese2
Enabled=1
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=1
Area=Subject
Func=Reg Expr
Text="[Á¸ÜÍ휳ê½^ðÈÇ̉©çµÆ‡ª¦ÄµÜ¢ÄàåäÅ]"
Not=0
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=0
TrayColor=-1

[Rule2]
Name=japanese
Enabled=1
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=1
Area=From
Func=Reg Expr
Text="[Á¸ÜÍ휳ê½^ðÈÇ̉©çµÆ‡ª¦ÄµÜ¢ÄàåäÅ]"
Not=0
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=0
TrayColor=-1

[Rule3]
Name=No From Address
Enabled=1
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=1
Area=From
Func=Reg Expr
Text="."
Not=1
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=1
TrayColor=-1
Area2=To
Func2=Contains
Text2=
Not2=0

[Rule4]
Name=No Subject
Enabled=1
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=1
Area=Subject
Func=Reg Expr
Text="."
Not=1
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=1
TrayColor=-1

[Rule5]
Name=multi address
Enabled=1
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=1
Area=To
Func=Reg Expr
Text=(.*@btinternet.com,*){2,}
Not=0
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=0
TrayColor=-1

[Rule6]
Name=not to me
Enabled=1
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=2
Area=To
Func=Contains
[email protected]
Not=1
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=1
TrayColor=-1
Area2=To
Func2=Reg Expr
Text2=(.*@btinternet.com,*){2,}
Not2=0

[Rule7]
Name=cc
Enabled=1
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=1
Area=CC
Func=Contains
[email protected]
Not=0
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=1
TrayColor=-1

[Rule8]
Name=multiaddress 2
Enabled=0
New=0
Account=0
Operator=0
RowCount=1
Area=To
Func=Reg Expr
Text=(?is)([@].*){2,}
Not=0
Wav=
Delete=0
Ignore=0
EXE=
Important=0
Spam=1
Protect=0
Log=1
TrayColor=-1

If you copy this text into your rules.ini file (or you may have to create
it, on a new installation, you may be able to see how they work and perhaps
adapt them. (I had help creating some of them, and it's a long time ago, so
don't expect too much wisdom from me!)

But I've inserted them from my archived progs into my freshly reinstalled
poptray, which I'll probably keep, as it's handy even if I'm not getting
spam, to clean up my mailbox - I don't delete mail off the server when I
fetch it. It's much quicker than using my isp's mail facility.

Incidentally, I don't know why you find it slow, I've just cleaned out my
mailboxes in batches of 15 - 20, and each batch only took a few seconds.

HTH

mike
 
M

ms

It never bothered me, but ISWYM

Bully for Popcorn; I find poptray means I often don't open my mail
client, as it's all spam, and deleted without starting an email prog.
Or letting it on my puter.
It has a button to start the email prog when you've cleared the spam.

Mailwasher style!

Yuck

The rules are much more powerful and are easily set up under the rules
tab

Here's a copy of my old rules.ini file

Thanks for the info, Mike

By slow, Poptray took about 2 seconds, Popcorn was instant. But each has
it's features.

Mike Sa
 

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