G
Guest
Yep I agree. SP2 really makes your computer slow. The firewall automatically
turns on every time you turn on your computer.
turns on every time you turn on your computer.
P
PA Bear
Bet your Kazaa doesn't work either! <bwaa-ha-ha>
R
Rock
Wen said:
Turn off firewall in network properties or in services if you don't want
it. Defrag. Reboot at least 3-4 times over a weeks time. Boot
prefetch takes that many reboots to kick in. The in built optimization
runs every three days. It takes time for the prefetch folder to be
rebuilt. Defrag again. If things are still running slow try some clean
boot troubleshooting to see if any startup apps are causing problems.
They might need to be uninstalled / reinstalled.
How to Troubleshoot By Using the Msconfig Utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310560
How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=316434
G
Guest
It's just stupid. SP2 really is a Beta version
U
User1
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=sp2+problems
Ya add that to the thousands that complain in these NGs, and other groups, plus the plethora/cornucopia - ever growing as I type - of fixes, cures, work-arounds and solutions that Microsoft has out plus the way too many private sites/pages that are out one would have to agree with the subject.
Turn off firewall in network properties or in services if you don't want
it. Defrag. Reboot at least 3-4 times over a weeks time. Boot
prefetch takes that many reboots to kick in. The in built optimization
runs every three days. It takes time for the prefetch folder to be
rebuilt. Defrag again. If things are still running slow try some clean
boot troubleshooting to see if any startup apps are causing problems.
They might need to be uninstalled / reinstalled.
How to Troubleshoot By Using the Msconfig Utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310560
How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=316434
Ya add that to the thousands that complain in these NGs, and other groups, plus the plethora/cornucopia - ever growing as I type - of fixes, cures, work-arounds and solutions that Microsoft has out plus the way too many private sites/pages that are out one would have to agree with the subject.
Turn off firewall in network properties or in services if you don't want
it. Defrag. Reboot at least 3-4 times over a weeks time. Boot
prefetch takes that many reboots to kick in. The in built optimization
runs every three days. It takes time for the prefetch folder to be
rebuilt. Defrag again. If things are still running slow try some clean
boot troubleshooting to see if any startup apps are causing problems.
They might need to be uninstalled / reinstalled.
How to Troubleshoot By Using the Msconfig Utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310560
How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=316434
D
Don Burnette
Wen said:
You may say it makes yours slow, and if it does, you probably have some
issues already.
Can't say it makes mine slow, if anything, mine is more robust and works
very well.
J
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
Almost 900,000 references.
I would not agree with the subject.
But then, I would look far beyond the raw data of that link.
As presented, that data tells nothing.
To give that data any value, you would need to go through all of it
and get specifics.
What arer actually SP-2 problems?
What are issues caused by SP-2 but a quick configuration is necessary
because of the added security of SP-2?
What are caused by preexisting problems. known or unknown?
What have nothing to do with SP-2 but the user can not tell the
difference?
There are many more which I am sure you will discover as you carefully
research each reference on that link.
What does this tell you about the health of the human race:
Get total numbers of people who were in a hospital, clinic, emergency
trauma center etc in the last month.
Do not distinguish between visitors, doctors staff, patients etc.
Also ignore if they are returning for a follow up.
You want just the total # of people entering those facilities in the
last month.
What can be concluded about the health of the human race?
Both of the above yield almost worthless data because they both lack
the necessary data obtained from proper research.
--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=sp2+problems
Ya add that to the thousands that complain in these NGs, and other
groups, plus the plethora/cornucopia - ever growing as I type - of
fixes, cures, work-arounds and solutions that Microsoft has out plus
the way too many private sites/pages that are out one would have to
agree with the subject.
I would not agree with the subject.
But then, I would look far beyond the raw data of that link.
As presented, that data tells nothing.
To give that data any value, you would need to go through all of it
and get specifics.
What arer actually SP-2 problems?
What are issues caused by SP-2 but a quick configuration is necessary
because of the added security of SP-2?
What are caused by preexisting problems. known or unknown?
What have nothing to do with SP-2 but the user can not tell the
difference?
There are many more which I am sure you will discover as you carefully
research each reference on that link.
What does this tell you about the health of the human race:
Get total numbers of people who were in a hospital, clinic, emergency
trauma center etc in the last month.
Do not distinguish between visitors, doctors staff, patients etc.
Also ignore if they are returning for a follow up.
You want just the total # of people entering those facilities in the
last month.
What can be concluded about the health of the human race?
Both of the above yield almost worthless data because they both lack
the necessary data obtained from proper research.
--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=sp2+problems
Ya add that to the thousands that complain in these NGs, and other
groups, plus the plethora/cornucopia - ever growing as I type - of
fixes, cures, work-arounds and solutions that Microsoft has out plus
the way too many private sites/pages that are out one would have to
agree with the subject.
T
The Grass is greener
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:06:32 -0700, [User1] said :-
And you are a top posting, html posting fool
And you are a top posting, html posting fool
T
Testy
All "statistics" are worthless whether researched carefully or not!
If I am dying of a particular disease knowing that it affects less than 1%
of the population is of no comfort to me. Likewise if XP2 affects 10% of all
computers is no comfort if my computer is screwed! (which it is not).
So stop your babbling and just comfort the sick!.
Testy
If I am dying of a particular disease knowing that it affects less than 1%
of the population is of no comfort to me. Likewise if XP2 affects 10% of all
computers is no comfort if my computer is screwed! (which it is not).
So stop your babbling and just comfort the sick!.
Testy
E
Enkidu
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:05:03 -0700, "Wen Jia" <Wen
No, it does't. It doesn't on any of the machines that I've put SP2 on.
Also there has been no noticeable changes to the speed of the
machines.
Did you have problems *before* SP2, and did you by any chance hope
that SP2 would sort them out?
There's a rule of thumb: Don't upgrade a machine that has problems in
the hope of a cure for the problems.
Cheers,
Cliff
No, it does't. It doesn't on any of the machines that I've put SP2 on.
Also there has been no noticeable changes to the speed of the
machines.
Did you have problems *before* SP2, and did you by any chance hope
that SP2 would sort them out?
There's a rule of thumb: Don't upgrade a machine that has problems in
the hope of a cure for the problems.
Cheers,
Cliff
G
Guest
Well, if you use PC for a work, instal it. BUT!!! If you use PC for games as
well for work, DO NOT INSTAL IT. SP 2 just add, not very usefull firewall,
and improves security. I have standalone firewall, that works great and also
I have spyware/adware, all updates except SP 2, of course, and all drivers
updated. I have FAT32 as well, because NTFS only improves security and slow
down programs. When I instaled, I was unable to play my games older than 1
year. For older I use WinME, but anyway, it looks, that SP 2 does not care
about gamers, just about security for companies. So, is WinXP for home users
or not? In fact, it is true, that WinXP is the worst system, when there we
are talking about security, but on the other hand, it speeds up programs as
any windows before. Well, back to the SP 2. If you wanna try it, jut do it,
you can uninstal it. But I have now a game Thief 3 and I wont risk, that
everything would go wrong. When I last time instaled SP 2, and I tried it
more than once, I uninstaled it, and than I realized, that is better to
reinstal windows. So, it is up to you. If you have a stable system with
games, I recommend you, do not instal SP 2, just updates. One more think, it
apears, that there is a problem with ATI and Microsoft, that doesnot want
certificate ATI's drivers. And my friend, who has NVIDIA has no problem with
a game like SOF 2 and so, but me yes. I have ATI Radeon 9600 and if I was
able to run some games on SP 2, there were black and white textures.
Interesting, is not it? I hope, you enjoyed this loooooong note and you will
have the them to write about
At least, till there is a SP 3 
which will
cause much more problems to consumers like me. Bye and have a fun. Hehehe...
well for work, DO NOT INSTAL IT. SP 2 just add, not very usefull firewall,
and improves security. I have standalone firewall, that works great and also
I have spyware/adware, all updates except SP 2, of course, and all drivers
updated. I have FAT32 as well, because NTFS only improves security and slow
down programs. When I instaled, I was unable to play my games older than 1
year. For older I use WinME, but anyway, it looks, that SP 2 does not care
about gamers, just about security for companies. So, is WinXP for home users
or not? In fact, it is true, that WinXP is the worst system, when there we
are talking about security, but on the other hand, it speeds up programs as
any windows before. Well, back to the SP 2. If you wanna try it, jut do it,
you can uninstal it. But I have now a game Thief 3 and I wont risk, that
everything would go wrong. When I last time instaled SP 2, and I tried it
more than once, I uninstaled it, and than I realized, that is better to
reinstal windows. So, it is up to you. If you have a stable system with
games, I recommend you, do not instal SP 2, just updates. One more think, it
apears, that there is a problem with ATI and Microsoft, that doesnot want
certificate ATI's drivers. And my friend, who has NVIDIA has no problem with
a game like SOF 2 and so, but me yes. I have ATI Radeon 9600 and if I was
able to run some games on SP 2, there were black and white textures.
Interesting, is not it? I hope, you enjoyed this loooooong note and you will
have the them to write about
At least, till there is a SP 3 which willcause much more problems to consumers like me. Bye and have a fun. Hehehe...
P
Phil
SP2 has more than just a new firewall. Millions of lines of code have been
changed and updated. I am a hardcore gamer that plays games from 5years old
to present and they all work without one problem, slowdown, or glitch at all
with XP pro and sp2 installed. For gamers sp2 is fine if your computer is
working properly, setup properly, and built properly. Also my ATI radeon
9200 dual display works great while gaming. MS and ati work fine together
and in fact I never build a computer with anything but ati video cards. Get
the new radeon drivers if you have probs, but it's not ati cause they work
fine for me and any machine I've built.
changed and updated. I am a hardcore gamer that plays games from 5years old
to present and they all work without one problem, slowdown, or glitch at all
with XP pro and sp2 installed. For gamers sp2 is fine if your computer is
working properly, setup properly, and built properly. Also my ATI radeon
9200 dual display works great while gaming. MS and ati work fine together
and in fact I never build a computer with anything but ati video cards. Get
the new radeon drivers if you have probs, but it's not ati cause they work
fine for me and any machine I've built.
S
Shane
Maybe it's the spyware/adware.
Shane
Shane
Phil said:
K
Kevin
I take it that English is not your native language? Are you aware that
there are things called "Spell Checkers" that actually check the spelling,
and in some cases, the grammar of words and phrases used to form sentences?
In any case, you touch on some points that I would like to bring up here.
Where, for instance, do you find information that would confirm your
assertion that the NTFS file system "slow down programs"? Where do you find
information that would confirm your assertion that Windows XP is "the worst
system" in regards to security? Microsoft has acknowledged that there are
issues with some software and hardware when SP2 is installed, but for the
most part, it is a stable and useful addition to the Windows XP operating
system. Just for the record, I have not been offered the installation of
SP2 through Windows Update so I have not installed it.
there are things called "Spell Checkers" that actually check the spelling,
and in some cases, the grammar of words and phrases used to form sentences?
In any case, you touch on some points that I would like to bring up here.
Where, for instance, do you find information that would confirm your
assertion that the NTFS file system "slow down programs"? Where do you find
information that would confirm your assertion that Windows XP is "the worst
system" in regards to security? Microsoft has acknowledged that there are
issues with some software and hardware when SP2 is installed, but for the
most part, it is a stable and useful addition to the Windows XP operating
system. Just for the record, I have not been offered the installation of
SP2 through Windows Update so I have not installed it.
Hehehe...TOM1982 said:Well, if you use PC for a work, instal it. BUT!!! If you use PC for games as
well for work, DO NOT INSTAL IT. SP 2 just add, not very usefull firewall,
and improves security. I have standalone firewall, that works great and also
I have spyware/adware, all updates except SP 2, of course, and all drivers
updated. I have FAT32 as well, because NTFS only improves security and slow
down programs. When I instaled, I was unable to play my games older than 1
year. For older I use WinME, but anyway, it looks, that SP 2 does not care
about gamers, just about security for companies. So, is WinXP for home users
or not? In fact, it is true, that WinXP is the worst system, when there we
are talking about security, but on the other hand, it speeds up programs as
any windows before. Well, back to the SP 2. If you wanna try it, jut do it,
you can uninstal it. But I have now a game Thief 3 and I wont risk, that
everything would go wrong. When I last time instaled SP 2, and I tried it
more than once, I uninstaled it, and than I realized, that is better to
reinstal windows. So, it is up to you. If you have a stable system with
games, I recommend you, do not instal SP 2, just updates. One more think, it
apears, that there is a problem with ATI and Microsoft, that doesnot want
certificate ATI's drivers. And my friend, who has NVIDIA has no problem with
a game like SOF 2 and so, but me yes. I have ATI Radeon 9600 and if I was
able to run some games on SP 2, there were black and white textures.
Interesting, is not it? I hope, you enjoyed this loooooong note and you will
have the them to write about
cause much more problems to consumers like me. Bye and have a fun.
G
Guest
I have made a clean instalation WinXP as well, and then instaled all updates
and then SP 2 and it did not work. In fact, I tried it for a week. I have
been offered the installation of SP2 through Windows Update, it had only
75MB, cause I already had all updates and did not work again
And I have
the newest drivers, firmwares, bios, updates for win and programs and so. I
check PC for spyware every time I leave internet, well I have spywatch
program as well. Maybe there is a compatibility problem with my hardware with
SP 2. I have noticed, that WinXP is very sensitive about hardaware. When I
had a memory, I used it in WinME without problem, but XP recognized it,
because it damaged files in XP. My hardware: Asus KT600, AthlonXP Barton 2500
at 2,2Ghz, Saphire ATI Radeon 9600 256MB, 768MB 333Mhz RAM, 2 HDD(Maxtor with
WinXP Pro US and WD with WinME). I have also noticed, that safe mod and
restore mod in winxp are .... . If there is a problem to run XP, safe mod
doesnot run neither, in WinME I can fix problems in safe mod. Any help would
be apreatiated, I would like to have SP 2, if it only would be possible.
and then SP 2 and it did not work. In fact, I tried it for a week. I have
been offered the installation of SP2 through Windows Update, it had only
75MB, cause I already had all updates and did not work again
And I havethe newest drivers, firmwares, bios, updates for win and programs and so. I
check PC for spyware every time I leave internet, well I have spywatch
program as well. Maybe there is a compatibility problem with my hardware with
SP 2. I have noticed, that WinXP is very sensitive about hardaware. When I
had a memory, I used it in WinME without problem, but XP recognized it,
because it damaged files in XP. My hardware: Asus KT600, AthlonXP Barton 2500
at 2,2Ghz, Saphire ATI Radeon 9600 256MB, 768MB 333Mhz RAM, 2 HDD(Maxtor with
WinXP Pro US and WD with WinME). I have also noticed, that safe mod and
restore mod in winxp are .... . If there is a problem to run XP, safe mod
doesnot run neither, in WinME I can fix problems in safe mod. Any help would
be apreatiated, I would like to have SP 2, if it only would be possible.
B
Ben
TOM1982 said:I have made a clean instalation WinXP as well, and then instaled all updates
and then SP 2 and it did not work. In fact, I tried it for a week. I have
been offered the installation of SP2 through Windows Update, it had only
75MB, cause I already had all updates and did not work again
the newest drivers, firmwares, bios, updates for win and programs and so. I
check PC for spyware every time I leave internet, well I have spywatch
program as well. Maybe there is a compatibility problem with my hardware with
SP 2. I have noticed, that WinXP is very sensitive about hardaware. When I
had a memory, I used it in WinME without problem, but XP recognized it,
because it damaged files in XP. My hardware: Asus KT600, AthlonXP Barton 2500
at 2,2Ghz, Saphire ATI Radeon 9600 256MB, 768MB 333Mhz RAM, 2 HDD(Maxtor with
WinXP Pro US and WD with WinME). I have also noticed, that safe mod and
restore mod in winxp are .... . If there is a problem to run XP, safe mod
doesnot run neither, in WinME I can fix problems in safe mod. Any help would
be apreatiated, I would like to have SP 2, if it only would be possible.
Open the autoupdate is the best way for installing SP2, you will see all
the earlier updates are gone, only SP2 is left.
R
RobertPatrick
All the stupid crap that gets installed reminds me of AOL.
P
Phil
XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't have
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing. Get a real ATI card, made by ati, and
you shouldn't have any problems. My real ATI card works flawlessly with sp2.
With computers you really do get what you pay for. Buy cheap memory, cheap
video cards, and do hardcore gaming and your just asking for problems.
Usually serious gamers have custom built systems with top of the line
hardware costing thousands of dollars, not hundreds. Also safe mode should
work fine in xp, so clearly you have some major problems with your
computer/install. At first you blammed ms and sp2, but I think your seeing
the light, that it's not sp2, but more likely your computer hardware and/or
setup.
What is the exact problem when you try to install sp2. Exact error messages?
memory probs. And btw, I highly doubt bad memory damaged files in xp. I also
notice you have a saphire video card with the radeon chip set. Again this is
your problem. Cheap cards that carry other vendors chipsets are always
inferior products to the real thing. Get a real ATI card, made by ati, and
you shouldn't have any problems. My real ATI card works flawlessly with sp2.
With computers you really do get what you pay for. Buy cheap memory, cheap
video cards, and do hardcore gaming and your just asking for problems.
Usually serious gamers have custom built systems with top of the line
hardware costing thousands of dollars, not hundreds. Also safe mode should
work fine in xp, so clearly you have some major problems with your
computer/install. At first you blammed ms and sp2, but I think your seeing
the light, that it's not sp2, but more likely your computer hardware and/or
setup.
What is the exact problem when you try to install sp2. Exact error messages?
R
red floyd
Phil said:
Are you planning on paying for these upgrades for Tom? Perhaps he is
using a company computer and cannot do any upgrades. Perhaps he figures
that if his computer runs properly with XP SP1 that it should run
properly with XP SP2?
A
Al Smith
XP can be picky about crappy memory, just buy good stuff and you won't have
I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?
I've got a Sapphire Radeon 9600 XT. Works just fine. Why would it
be inferior when it's got the same chip in it?