Slow Startup... I have tried everything but...

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lawrence_

XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram

o all current service patches.
o all drivers signed
o no network shares
o defraged with 0&0 multi times
o all clear in the event viewer
o majority of services disabled
o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times
o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro
o ran diskchk
o removed all printers
o ran spybot
o ran adaware



bootvis

o did not display the graphs that I needed.
o optimized system multi times

This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine
when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of
pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall.
 
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Bassplayer12

XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram
o all current service patches.
o all drivers signed
o no network shares
o defraged with 0&0 multi times
o all clear in the event viewer
o majority of services disabled
o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times
o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro
o ran diskchk
o removed all printers
o ran spybot
o ran adaware

control panel / run / type msconfig + enter / system configuration
utility: startup
there's a bunch of stuff in there that you can probaly uncheck...
 
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Poprivet

Bassplayer12 said:
control panel / run / type msconfig + enter / system configuration
utility: startup
there's a bunch of stuff in there that you can probaly uncheck...

Yesssss, and then what?

Pop`
 
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Poprivet

Well, if you've tried "everything", then obviously there is nothing more can
be done, right? <g>. I often try everything I can think of, but have never
managed to try everything; someone always finds something I didn't try.

ANYway and seriously, see Inline and Bottom post:

XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram

o all current service patches.

Assume that means SP2?
o all drivers signed

Wow, that's a first! Never seen that before on an in-use machine.
o no network shares
o defraged with 0&0 multi times

What does "with 0&0" mean? DeFrag has no such capability AFAIK.
o all clear in the event viewer

For which logs? Please name them. Not even chkdsk results?
o majority of services disabled

Any recently disabled?
Did this occur after last week's MS Update by any chance?
o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times

Don't know what that is. Reg cleaners shouldn't be run multiple times,
especially when the first time does nothing. Why so many times, and what
did it find? What did you let it repair?
o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro

What version? That's a dangerous tool and you should probably revert its
changes back to what they were, especially since it didn't fix anything.
o ran diskchk

Did it report anything repaired in Event Viewer?
o removed all printers

unnecessary; should put them back and get them working again.
o ran spybot Good
o ran adaware Good
Also try the MS Malicious software tool, and HiJackThis. Be sure to read
the HiJack info before posting it anywhere and do NOT post the log here!
bootvis

o did not display the graphs that I needed.
o optimized system multi times

Bootvis: That indicates a system problem, pretty sure. Something is
corrupted if Bootvis failed somehow, but it's entirely possible the
corruption was caused by some of your well meaning attempts at a fix.
This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine
when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of
pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall.

You haven't really provided a lot of information to work with, but that
almost sounds within reason if there has been a lot of graphic manipulation
and indexing is turned on, plus antivirus and a few other possiblities.
Honestly, "seemed to slow down" doesn't sound like a very serious problem
and IMO definitely didn't merit the amount of system area manipulation that
you've done. If it was a large amount of graphics, then just indexing would
make some delays noticeable.
If you really want to pursue this manually, my first advice would be to
put everything back the way it was (hopefully you backed it all up before
mucking with system areas), and start anew with a different troubleshooting
concept. I wouldn't even touch a machine like that might now be unless my
intent was to back up and reinstall.

From the above, if you haven't already, you may not have any choice but to
do a backup of ALL data, hopefully just Documents and Settings if everything
has been kept there as it was designed for. That way you get every file
created on the machine plus all Outlook, OE and IE files, etc..
That will also be magnitudes faster than any manual method you're looking
at right now, I'm pretty sure. And then do a fresh, clean install right
from deleting and recreating the partition/s.
If she's not used My Documents for all her data though, the job will be
tougher to locate all her data. You'll have to look and see.

If you don't have backup or imaging software, ntbackup.exe or backup.exe,
provided on the XP CD (or available for free download from MS), will do just
fine with the exception it won't write directly to DVD or CD and will not
compress data. It will however write to an external drive just fine, which
is the best way to do it, and the drive itself can be set to be compressed.

IMO you very likely have a mess now. Bite the bullet, backup, and do a
clean install of her OS. Be certain you use her CDs by the way; do NOT use
your own unless you're sure of what you're doing and the nuances of
Activation, OEM vs Retail, etc etc etc.
And for the future, ask her to clarify "seems to"<g>.

HTH

Pop`
 
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Poprivet

PS I forgot to give you this from the MS site:
Microsoft argues: "Please note that Bootvis.exe is not a tool that will
improve boot/resume performance for end users. Contrary to some published
reports, Bootvis.exe cannot reduce or alter a system's boot or resume
performance. The boot optimization routines invoked by Bootvis.exe are built
into Windows XP. These routines run automatically at pre-determined times as
part of the normal operation of the operating system."[1]
 
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lawrence_

Well, if you've tried "everything", then obviously there is nothing more can
be done, right? <g>. I often try everything I can think of, but have never
managed to try everything; someone always finds something I didn't try.

ANYway and seriously, see Inline and Bottom post:




Assume that means SP2?


Wow, that's a first! Never seen that before on an in-use machine.

I removed all programs that were using unsigned drivers

What does "with 0&0" mean? DeFrag has no such capability AFAIK.

o&o is a third party defrag utility.
For which logs? Please name them. Not even chkdsk results?

all log files
Any recently disabled?

not before the slow down
Did this occur after last week's MS Update by any chance?

no


Don't know what that is. Reg cleaners shouldn't be run multiple times,
especially when the first time does nothing. Why so many times, and what
did it find? What did you let it repair?

nothing major just trying to mention all things I have tried
What version? That's a dangerous tool and you should probably revert its
changes back to what they were, especially since it didn't fix anything.


With this and all the other tweaks I was able to increase the speed of
the machine x3 but it is still very slow
Did it report anything repaired in Event Viewer?
no


unnecessary; should put them back and get them working again.

will do once the machine is running faster
Also try the MS Malicious software tool, and HiJackThis. Be sure to read
the HiJack info before posting it anywhere and do NOT post the log here!


forgot to mention that I have ran with no errors
Bootvis: That indicates a system problem, pretty sure. Something is
corrupted if Bootvis failed somehow, but it's entirely possible the
corruption was caused by some of your well meaning attempts at a fix.

Many people online report problems with bootvis after SP2 and it is no
longer avail via MS web site. It also does not work on my home
machine which is running fine.
You haven't really provided a lot of information to work with, but that
almost sounds within reason if there has been a lot of graphic manipulation
and indexing is turned on

Indexing is off

, plus antivirus

virus software has been removed

and a few other possiblities.


EXACTLY, Like what?
Honestly, "seemed to slow down" doesn't sound like a very serious problem
and IMO definitely didn't merit the amount of system area manipulation that
you've done. If it was a large amount of graphics, then just indexing would
make some delays noticeable.

If you really want to pursue this manually, my first advice would be to
put everything back the way it was (hopefully you backed it all up before
mucking with system areas), and start anew with a different troubleshooting
concept. I wouldn't even touch a machine like that might now be unless my
intent was to back up and reinstall.

From the above, if you haven't already, you may not have any choice but to
do a backup of ALL data, hopefully just Documents and Settings if everything
has been kept there as it was designed for. That way you get every file
created on the machine plus all Outlook, OE and IE files, etc..
That will also be magnitudes faster than any manual method you're looking
at right now, I'm pretty sure. And then do a fresh, clean install right
from deleting and recreating the partition/s.
If she's not used My Documents for all her data though, the job will be
tougher to locate all her data. You'll have to look and see.

If you don't have backup or imaging software, ntbackup.exe or backup.exe,
provided on the XP CD (or available for free download from MS), will do just
fine with the exception it won't write directly to DVD or CD and will not
compress data. It will however write to an external drive just fine, which
is the best way to do it, and the drive itself can be set to be compressed.

IMO you very likely have a mess now. Bite the bullet, backup, and do a
clean install of her OS. Be certain you use her CDs by the way; do NOT use
your own unless you're sure of what you're doing and the nuances of
Activation, OEM vs Retail, etc etc etc.
And for the future, ask her to clarify "seems to"<g>.

HTH

Pop`


I am sick of solving this type of problem via a reinstall and that is
why I posted in this forum. Somebody must know how to isolate this
type of problem and solve it.


Also forgot to note that bios and all drivers have been reloaded and
are current
 
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lawrence_

set the page file to zero. defraged. set the page file to a fixed
length. - no noticeable improvement

disabled system restore - slight improvement

Disabling Chkdsk - minor improvement
 
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Daave

XP compaq 1.8gig 512 meg of ram

o all current service patches.
o all drivers signed
o no network shares
o defraged with 0&0 multi times
o all clear in the event viewer
o majority of services disabled
o ran tweak now reg cleaner multi times
o shut down as much as I could with x-setup pro
o ran diskchk
o removed all printers
o ran spybot
o ran adaware



bootvis

o did not display the graphs that I needed.
o optimized system multi times

This machine belongs to a friend and she stated that it worked fine
when first purchased but seemed to slow down after she loaded a lot of
pictures on it. I want to figure it out and do not want to reinstall.

Need more information.

1. How large is the hard drive and how much free space is left?

2. Were temp files cleaned out before the defrag. And if so, from which
locations?

3. Did you scan for viruses? If so, with which program? Also, do you
have it scheduled to scan your hard drive for viruses at startup?

4. Once the PC is finished starting up, does it run fine?

5. Did you try letting Windows manage your virtual memory?

6. What program does your friend use to view (or edit?) the pictures?
Does it load at startup?

7. Why not post the contents of msconfig's Startup tab? There might be
one or more unnecessary memory hogs running in the background.
 
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lawrence_

problem solved. Hard Drive Controller

I noticed that the hard drive light was on for the entire boot up
process. I uninstalled and reinstalled both primary and secondary and
it restored system performance. Hope this helps some one else out
there.

L
 
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Bob I

That situation would be caused by the drive erroring out, and Windows
switching the drive access to PIO from DMA. Removing and reinstalling,
re-enabled DMA access.
 
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lawrence_

That situation would be caused by the drive erroring out, and Windows
switching the drive access to PIO from DMA. Removing and reinstalling,
re-enabled DMA access.

Thanks thats good to know
 

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