Slow memory check and Hard drive boot up

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Harold A Climer

I have a HP Pavilion A1520N MCE computer
Over the last few days it has been acting strange.
When it first boots, it takes more than the usual time to recognize
the memory and check it.
After the memory check is through,it takes a very long time to
recognize the hard drives, and DVD drive.
I get the Windows XP logo and it seems to be loading the OS and then
the screen goes blank.
Is this a hard drive problem?
I have a 400GB drive as the boot drive and a ITB drive for data.
Could it be a memory problem?( A bad memory chip)
It took a long to boot up OK several days ago,but now the OS does not
run.
Harold A Climer
Dept.of Physics,Geology,and Astronomy
University of Tennessee Chattanooga
615 McCallie Ave
Chattanooga TN 37403
 
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Don Phillipson

I have a HP Pavilion A1520N MCE computer
Over the last few days it has been acting strange.
When it first boots, it takes more than the usual time to recognize
the memory and check it.
After the memory check is through,it takes a very long time to
recognize the hard drives, and DVD drive.
I get the Windows XP logo and it seems to be loading the OS and then
the screen goes blank.
Is this a hard drive problem?
I have a 400GB drive as the boot drive and a ITB drive for data.
Could it be a memory problem?( A bad memory chip)

At a university, you can probably get IT help on the spot.
1. The post omitted two essentials
-- that you have backed up valuable data
-- that you run AV checks regularly.
2. The general fitness of your hardware can be checked
by a different boot disk (booting from the DVD drivie) with
RAM chip tests and hard drive tests.
3. If the hardware is checked OK, functionality is usually
restored faster by reinstalling the OS than by diagnosing
what caused it to fail. (If the diagnostician insists on this,
he should replace the boot drive and work on that while you
resume work with a reinstalled OS.)
 
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jim

Harold A Climer said:
I have a HP Pavilion A1520N MCE computer
Over the last few days it has been acting strange.
When it first boots, it takes more than the usual time to recognize
the memory and check it.
After the memory check is through,it takes a very long time to
recognize the hard drives, and DVD drive.
I get the Windows XP logo and it seems to be loading the OS and then
the screen goes blank.
Is this a hard drive problem?
I have a 400GB drive as the boot drive and a ITB drive for data.
Could it be a memory problem?( A bad memory chip)
It took a long to boot up OK several days ago,but now the OS does not
run.
Harold A Climer
Dept.of Physics,Geology,and Astronomy
University of Tennessee Chattanooga
615 McCallie Ave
Chattanooga TN 37403

First thing to always do is system restore to when it was working ok .
 
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Harold A Climer

At a university, you can probably get IT help on the spot.
1. The post omitted two essentials
-- that you have backed up valuable data
-- that you run AV checks regularly.
2. The general fitness of your hardware can be checked
by a different boot disk (booting from the DVD drivie) with
RAM chip tests and hard drive tests.
3. If the hardware is checked OK, functionality is usually
restored faster by reinstalling the OS than by diagnosing
what caused it to fail. (If the diagnostician insists on this,
he should replace the boot drive and work on that while you
resume work with a reinstalled OS.)

1. It is my personal computer and our IT department a very cheap and
supports only problems with accessibility to email,connectivity and
files in direct support to my job here at UTC, if it is not a
university owned computer.
2. I re-installed the OS from the restoration media and it starts to
boot up and I get the Windows XP logo and then a blank screen.
3. Since I am on my own,where can I get the software to make a boot
disk as you have suggested.
Harold A Climer
Dept.of Physics,Geology,and Astronomy
University of Tennessee Chattanooga
615 McCallie Ave
Chattanooga TN 37403
 
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Paul

1. It is my personal computer and our IT department a very cheap and
supports only problems with accessibility to email,connectivity and
files in direct support to my job here at UTC, if it is not a
university owned computer.
2. I re-installed the OS from the restoration media and it starts to
boot up and I get the Windows XP logo and then a blank screen.
3. Since I am on my own,where can I get the software to make a boot
disk as you have suggested.

Download memtest86+. Scroll half way down this page, to find the
download section. If you're in a hurry, a single pass of this
test is sufficient. The memory test cannot detect all possible
memory problems, and is mainly good for "stuck-at" faults. For
electrical noise type problems at the Northbridge, other tests
are needed. I typically use the floppy version, because all my
machines still have a floppy.

http://www.memtest.org

For hard drive testing, you look at the manufacturer of the drive.

Seatools for DOS (comes with vopy of FreeDOS, floppy version may no longer
fit a single floppy forcing customers to make and use the CD version).
Since Seagate bought Samsung hard drive division, it's possible their
test software is on the site as well.

http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=720bd20cacdec010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD

Western Digital has Data Lifeguard. You'd use the DOS version if
you no longer had a working Windows install to start from.

http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=612&lang=en

For a complete operating environment, there are things like BartPE.
I've made myself a Bart CD, but you have to add the tools to it that
you expect to need, so it requires a good bit of tinkering. I tested
my copy in a virtual environment, so I wouldn't waste a lot of burnt
CDs testing it. I eventually burned a copy to disc for later.

You can also download a Linux LiveCD, and in that case, no tinkering.
The recommended version at this time, is 10.04LTS, to avoid the
Unity interface of the more modern versions of Ubuntu.

(Select 10.04LTS. Select 32 bit version. 700MB download. Then, convert
the ISO9660 file to a boot CD with Nero or Imgburn.)

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

When the Ubuntu CD is booted, the menus are at the top of the screen, on
the left. The "Places" menu, may show the Windows partitions you have.
You can open a partition (i.e. mount it) and have a look, if your
partitions were still there.

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/extra/LINUX/small/ubuntu1004rc-small_001.png

If you go to Accessories in the Applications menu, you can open a
Terminal session. There are tools such as TestDisk (which is available
for several operating environments), but at this point, we have no
need of it, because you've already blown away your old C: drive,
so there is nothing to see or repair.

(TestDisk - it basically re-computes the partition table, but can also be
used to browse files on a partition.)

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step

If you want to examine the primary partition table of your hard
drive, you can use the "fdisk" command in the Terminal.

sudo fdisk /dev/sda # for the first hard drive
sudo fdisk /dev/sdb # for the second hard drive

sudo fdisk /dev/hda # disks either have names in the sd
# or hd series, according to the
$ whims of the OS (unpredictable)

You'd use a command like "p", to print the current partition table.
And "q" to quit when you're finished. You can also create Windows
partitions using the Linux environment, but no reason to go there
yet.

For some of the tools, you need to use Synaptic Package Manager, to
download and install the tool. For example, if you don't like the fdisk
suggestion for viewing partitions, the "gparted" tool will give you
a pretty GUI to look at.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/GParted.png

At this point, the main reason for booting the Linux LiveCD, is to see
whether your hardware works without delay. If you detect hardware problems
while using the Linux environment (i.e. Places partitions won't mount),
then it's possible to do a bit of testing from Linux, but there
are glaring gaps in the coverage. I still don't have a good video
card test strategy for example, and I've spent up to a week trying
to whip good test cases together for it. (I'm trying to find
an "easy" test method, that doesn't require writing a book :) )

For a good test of your CPU and memory, while in Linux, you can
use Prime95 from Mersenne. They have a test option, and it does
a calculation with a known answer, and can detect "roundoff errors"
and other faults. Generally, if you can complete four hours of
that, with no errors shown and no test threads stopped, your
CPU and memory are solid. Prime95 will not test the whole
memory space. Only memtest86+ covers close to all the memory
bits. Prime95 covers only a subset, but does a much more
thorough (noise inducing) test case. Since you're running
Ubuntu and a 32 bit disc, you'd download the Linux 32 bit
executable.

http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/

This is not even close to a complete and methodical test
strategy, and what I'm hoping for at this point, is some
indicative symptoms will pop up. For example, if the
computer just shuts off during the four hour Prime95 test,
it could be the CPU heatsink needs to cleaned, or the
CPU fan has stopped spinning and the computer is overheating.

The Seagate and Western Digital disk tests, are for their own
brand of disks. You have to discover the brand name of the
disk, and go to that manufacturer site and get the diagnostic.
The diagnostic is not intended for end users, in that it
produces a terse error number and no words of encouragement.
If the diagnostics pass, then you know the disk isn't
completely bad. But the diagnostic doesn't really tell you
whether the drive needs to be replaced. If an error code
is produced, that error code is used to convince the
manufacturer to support a warranty claim you're making.

In terms of simple hardware checks of the visual variety,
take the side cover off the PC and check the state of fans
and heatsinks. Check that the video card cooling fan is
still spinning. If the video card were overheating due to
fan failure, that might account for the black screen
just as Windows makes an appearance. Your Linux LiveCD
test case will also be driving the video card, and if
the Linux screen doesn't appear either, that confirms a
hardware problem of some sort.

Paul
 
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Don Phillipson

2. I re-installed the OS from the restoration media and it starts to
boot up and I get the Windows XP logo and then a blank screen.
3. Since I am on my own,where can I get the software to make a boot
disk as you have suggested.

If you have not used Linux before, I do not recommend this (cf. excellent
advice from Paul.) Linux has a steep learning curve.

Assuming the PC can boot OK from the DVD drive (e.g. boot to a WinXP
setup disk) you should
1 -- back up essential data any way you can (e.g. by putting the doubtful
hard drive in a Samba portable HD enclosure ($30) and taking it to
another PC. Or you might buy yourself a second PC (e.g. IBM 8113,
standard office desktop of approx. 2005, currently available for about
$100. Two of these linked by a wireless router meet all my needs.)
2 -- Assemble reliable utilities to test RAM and the hard drive, and
have them put onto a bootable CD (that will read NTSF file formats.)

Defective RAM should be simply replaced. If you find substantial
errors in the hard drive, copy over whatever data you can save and
scrap the defective drive.

#2 lets you can test the old home PC: but do not spend more time than
this deserves. If in doubt, buy a suitable obsolete office PC with WinXP
included, and interior space to add your old drive as well (est. cost
$100-$200.)
 
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Paul

Don said:
If you have not used Linux before, I do not recommend this (cf. excellent
advice from Paul.) Linux has a steep learning curve.

Assuming the PC can boot OK from the DVD drive (e.g. boot to a WinXP
setup disk) you should
1 -- back up essential data any way you can (e.g. by putting the doubtful
hard drive in a Samba portable HD enclosure ($30) and taking it to
another PC. Or you might buy yourself a second PC (e.g. IBM 8113,
standard office desktop of approx. 2005, currently available for about
$100. Two of these linked by a wireless router meet all my needs.)
2 -- Assemble reliable utilities to test RAM and the hard drive, and
have them put onto a bootable CD (that will read NTSF file formats.)

Defective RAM should be simply replaced. If you find substantial
errors in the hard drive, copy over whatever data you can save and
scrap the defective drive.

#2 lets you can test the old home PC: but do not spend more time than
this deserves. If in doubt, buy a suitable obsolete office PC with WinXP
included, and interior space to add your old drive as well (est. cost
$100-$200.)

We could also kick it up a level and say "take it to a reliable shop",
but where would the fun be in that ?

Before taking any PC to a shop, use backup software to back up the
contents of the hard drive. (Some backup programs run from their own
CD, so you don't absolutely need an OS present to make them work.)
Keep the files on an external USB drive of sufficient capacity,
then keep the drive in a safe place (i.e. away from shop fingers).

Some shops have a bad habit of erasing things they should not (even
in cases where touching the hard drives was not required by the
customer request). There are sad tales of lost data, due to overzealous
shops deleting and reformatting. That's the only concern I'd have about
taking the PC to a shop. If you don't relish the thought of any level of
diagnostic work, or haven't the time, a shop can take care of it for you.
As long as you have a backup on an external drive, you're safe.

Paul
 
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Harold A Climer said:
I have a HP Pavilion A1520N MCE computer
Over the last few days it has been acting strange.
When it first boots, it takes more than the usual time to recognize
the memory and check it.
After the memory check is through,it takes a very long time to
recognize the hard drives, and DVD drive.
I get the Windows XP logo and it seems to be loading the OS and then
the screen goes blank.
Is this a hard drive problem?
I have a 400GB drive as the boot drive and a ITB drive for data.
Could it be a memory problem?( A bad memory chip)
It took a long to boot up OK several days ago,but now the OS does not
run.


You have a Big Problem if you do not have a HP_MCE_CD,
For HP nor Windows have the MCE Software no more,

For in your HP_RECOVERY (D:) is the I386 and System Volume Information!
 
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Don Phillipson

Before taking any PC to a shop, use backup software to back up the
contents of the hard drive. (Some backup programs run from their own
CD, so you don't absolutely need an OS present to make them work.)
Keep the files on an external USB drive of sufficient capacity,
then keep the drive in a safe place (i.e. away from shop fingers).
. . . . As long as you have a backup on an external drive, you're safe.

Comment: instead of special backup software I recommend
simply copying to another drive (so that any software can later
read or copy it.) Proprietorial backup software was invented
when hard drive space was scarce and expense, which is no
longer true: and there is no compatibility between one company's
special backup software and anyone else's.
 
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BillW50

Comment: instead of special backup software I recommend
simply copying to another drive (so that any software can later
read or copy it.) Proprietorial backup software was invented
when hard drive space was scarce and expense, which is no
longer true: and there is no compatibility between one company's
special backup software and anyone else's.

Huh? Unless you are cloning drives (which I do a lot too), all of the
big name backup software still uses proprietary file formats.
 

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