Simple two machine LAN--physically connected but can't Ping each o

[Guest]

Two Hp Pavilions with XP Media Center, SP2 and dialup connection for one
machine to AOL. Internet access is NOT a factor, knowing that ICS and AOL
don't work together. The machines are connected with a crossover Ethernet
cable. The machine that dials the Internet has Norton Internet Security.
The Windows SP2 Firewall is off on both machines.

I am trying to set up the very simplest network of all -- just two machines
with no Internet connection for the network. When AOL is dialed by the
machine with phone/modem hookup, the network is not to be a factor. No ICS
wanted or asked for here.

I have tried the LAN Wizard with auto connections and with manual
connections. I can get the network to appear connected on both machines--the
LAN icon on each shows 100 mbps connect. The host machine never shows any My
Network Places folders--the client shows a Shared Documents folder in My
Network Places. Cannot see the Workgroup computers--error message comes up
that says MSHOME not accessible--on either machine.

I can ipconfig each machine with manual settings but cannot ping each
machine. In short the danged physical connection seems established but there
is no network traffic. The Status tab for the LAN shows packets trying to be
sent by each machine, but none received.

For manual settings on the host I used--

192.168.0.10 IP Address
255.255.255.0 as Subnet Mask(comes up automatically)
192.168.0.1 for Default Gateway.
All other tabs under TCP/IP set as usual--they self-select once IP Address
is picked in the right range.

On the client--

192.168.0.1 IP
255.255.255.0 as Subnet Mask

I am no expert on networks--I know I am doing something really dumb. Are
there some very simple, straightforward, foolproof instuctions to set up a
simple LAN? I have 4 big computer books and all tell me about the same
thing--none of which works.

I always go through the setup with the machine that is to be host first, and
reboot after running the Wizard. The do the client, and reboot.

This is driving me slightly nuts.

Thank you for your help,

 

[Rafael T]

Hello
A few things to check (again)
- check that the cable is a cross cable
- SP2 firewall is off on both
- Disable other personal firewall installed - Norton
- File and printer sharing for ms networks is installed
- Network card works on each computer
+ ping 127.0.0.1 on each computer
+ ping their assignment ip address
+ ping the other ip address
- verify that they are part of the same subnet (255.255.255.0) should be OK
- Gateway address should be the address of the pc that has the modem

This shoudl do it. Probably your problem is with Norton blocking the other
pc from connecting
RT

 

[Steve Winograd [MVP]]

Two Hp Pavilions with XP Media Center, SP2 and dialup connection for one
machine to AOL. Internet access is NOT a factor, knowing that ICS and AOL
don't work together. The machines are connected with a crossover Ethernet
cable. The machine that dials the Internet has Norton Internet Security.
The Windows SP2 Firewall is off on both machines.

I am trying to set up the very simplest network of all -- just two machines
with no Internet connection for the network. When AOL is dialed by the
machine with phone/modem hookup, the network is not to be a factor. No ICS
wanted or asked for here.

I have tried the LAN Wizard with auto connections and with manual
connections. I can get the network to appear connected on both machines--the
LAN icon on each shows 100 mbps connect. The host machine never shows any My
Network Places folders--the client shows a Shared Documents folder in My
Network Places. Cannot see the Workgroup computers--error message comes up
that says MSHOME not accessible--on either machine.

I can ipconfig each machine with manual settings but cannot ping each
machine. In short the danged physical connection seems established but there
is no network traffic. The Status tab for the LAN shows packets trying to be
sent by each machine, but none received.

For manual settings on the host I used--

192.168.0.10 IP Address
255.255.255.0 as Subnet Mask(comes up automatically)
192.168.0.1 for Default Gateway.
All other tabs under TCP/IP set as usual--they self-select once IP Address
is picked in the right range.

On the client--

192.168.0.1 IP
255.255.255.0 as Subnet Mask

I am no expert on networks--I know I am doing something really dumb. Are
there some very simple, straightforward, foolproof instuctions to set up a
simple LAN? I have 4 big computer books and all tell me about the same
thing--none of which works.

I always go through the setup with the machine that is to be host first, and
reboot after running the Wizard. The do the client, and reboot.

This is driving me slightly nuts.

Thank you for your help,

Since there's no Internet sharing, why do you say that you have a
"host" machine and a "client" machine?

What connection method are you telling the Network Setup Wizard to
use? I think the right choice is "Other" followed by "This computer
belongs to a network that does not have an Internet connection". The
wrong choice is "This computer connects to the Internet directly or
through a network hub".

Remove the Default Gateway specification from the host's LAN
connection -- it's only used to access the Internet.

You have to configure Norton Internet Security to allow access on the
LAN, which can be hard to do. Temporarily disable NIS and see if
things work.

Does the client machine have a firewall that needs to be configured
(Norton, McAfee, ZoneAlarm, PC Cillin, Sygate, etc)?

Make sure that each computer can ping itself and the other computer by
computer name and by IP address before trying to access shared disks
and folders.

My Network Places can be a very unreliable way to access the other
computer, and I recommend not using it. To access the other computer
directly, type its name in the Start | Run box in this format:

\\computer
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Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

 

[Guest]

I have tried it both ways, with Other and with This Computer Connects to the
Internet. Didn't work in either case.

I turned Norton off and that didn't help either.

No Firewalls are running, they are both turned off.

I will do the Ping testing today and try the direct access through Start|Run
box.

I know I am doing something really dumb--just can't figure it out. I have
set up two multi-computer wireless networks lately, each with LAN hardwire
from host to router, etc. with no trouble! So much for experience.

Thanks, Steve. I will report back.


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Thank you for your help,

Scholastica