Simple Question?

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Vernon;
Because there is something in Windows Vista Home Premium not available
in your current operating system.

You need determine your wants and needs.
Are there features you need in Windows Vista that are not available in
your current operating system?
Are all your essential hardware and software compatible with Windows
Vista?

Most do not need to upgrade to Vista.
Instead most should wait until the need for a new computer and get
Windows Vista.

You can find a wealth of information at:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/default.mspx
http://vistasupport.mvps.org/
As well as countless other sites.

 

[...winston]

The op only posted twice once asking on preference of Vista Home or XP Home and then later confirming his ability to discard any of the peripheral posts not helpful and acknowledging the increasing rarity/availability to obtain XP.

The unknown, since not offered is hardware and software. Obviously the choice is up to the poster to research the issue using the comparison links provided and other available information.

What we all, as Vista users, fail to ask or recognize is that some will always fill more comfortable with an earlier o/s. Though in the case of XP Home even with the support life cycle for Home now equivalent to XP Pro, Pro is still a more flexible choice.

Thus maybe the op should be asking why XP Pro vs Vista(Home or Premium) or comparing Vista Business since some features that XP Pro provide are not available in the Home versions.

With the above then the usual controlling factor to choose anything new is cost.

The op has some choices to make...maybe he'll let us know why he chose one or the other or consider anything we suggest not directly addressed to him as more peripheral garbage.

...winston

:
: If what he has meets all of the hardware/software requirements then
: there is no reason for him to wait.

 

[Stan]

Do you own Vista??

You wouldn't! Stick with XP, more stable, programs work better, printer
drivers, video drivers, etc... work better with XP. Maybe in 6 months or
when MicroSquish releases the service pack, that might be the time to
switch.

Read the forum and look at all the problems people are having with Vista
right now.

 

[Rock]

Why would I want say Vista Home Premium over Xp Home?

What are your needs, what is the computer configuration, what is the
intended use? Do you currently have a computer with XP, are you thinking of
upgrading, or are you going to buy a computer? Do you have hardware and
software to put on the new system?

Give some parameters here.

 

[Alias]

Completely inaccurate. This forum is no basis to judge the general
effectiveness of Windows XP. The reason this newsgroup exists is for folks
having problems to post their problem and get help. All the people *NOT*
having problems are not posting here, so you are only seeing one side of the
story if you base your opinion on what you read here.

FWIW, most of the problems with Vista are due to the hardware it is
installed on (Cheap RAM, low end systems, on board graphics, etc.).

Honu

The problems with Vista are more than that:

1. The outrageous price for retail and the outrageous demand that one
buy a CPU, RAM, motherboard and hard drive in order to buy a generic OEM
of Vista (and XP).

2. WPA

3. WGA

4. DRM

5. The necessity of upgrading hardware to make Vista work.

These are not problems that people are having that lead them to post in
this group. These are problems that *everyone* will have and the
responsibility falls squarely in Microsoft's greedy lap.

Alias

 

[Roy Coorne]

Completely inaccurate. This forum is no basis to judge the general
effectiveness of Windows XP. The reason this newsgroup exists is for folks
having problems to post their problem and get help. All the people *NOT*
having problems are not posting here, so you are only seeing one side of the
story if you base your opinion on what you read here.

FWIW, most of the problems with Vista are due to the hardware it is
installed on (Cheap RAM, low end systems, on board graphics, etc.).

Honu

Spanky deMonkey's answer is absolutely adaequate to the naive question
of the OP: > Why would I want say Vista Home Premium over Xp Home?



Roy [with Vista running flawlessly on three different systems]

 

[Roy Coorne]

Are you saying you want to get Vista for a computer that isn't even running
XP? In other words, if this is for a computer that you purchased before XP
came out or early in the XP cycle, you probably don't have enough horse
power on that system to run Vista at a acceptable level.

If you are planning a new computer or this is a relatively recent setup with
up to date hardware, the next question is what is important to you. If
you've been using a Windows 9x system, XP will be easier for you to
navigate. Also, if you capability is important to you, Vista Home has no
fax applet, you would have to use 3rd party software not that the Windows
fax applet was all that special but it's a consideration if you've been
using Windows fax capability in the past.

Are you sure that 'vernon' is *not* trolling?

Roy

 

[mikeyhsd]

if he wanted to write a book he would not be posting here.



(e-mail address removed)

Why would I want say Vista Home Premium over Xp Home?

What are your needs, what is the computer configuration, what is the
intended use? Do you currently have a computer with XP, are you thinking of
upgrading, or are you going to buy a computer? Do you have hardware and
software to put on the new system?

Give some parameters here.

 

[vernon]

I presently, personally, have four computers
2 Xp Pro
1 Xp Home
1 98SE

The XpHome was just upgraded from ME. I assume no one needs ask why.
One of the XpPros was built from scratch and Vista avoided (9 months ago) because it was going to use specialized software that I didn't trust with Vista.


Now I am trying to make up my mind for a computer that is for e-mail, browsing and a fair amount of pictures for an 80 year old.

Now back to the basic question,
XP Home Vs Vista Premium. In a new computer I would assume the basic drivers will work.
Is there much of an interactive difference to the novice. Most people don't give a crap about the other stuff. IE 6 to IE 7 was a challenge.
if he wanted to write a book he would not be posting here.



(e-mail address removed)

Why would I want say Vista Home Premium over Xp Home?

What are your needs, what is the computer configuration, what is the
intended use? Do you currently have a computer with XP, are you thinking of
upgrading, or are you going to buy a computer? Do you have hardware and
software to put on the new system?

Give some parameters here.

 

[Mike Hall MVP]

Inline

The problems with Vista are more than that:

1. The outrageous price for retail and the outrageous demand that one buy
a CPU, RAM, motherboard and hard drive in order to buy a generic OEM of
Vista (and XP).

Some sell it alone, some have sold it with a $10 network card.. maybe not at
El Corte Ingles though..

2. WPA

Not a problem for those who don't use wireless, and not a problem for those
who do..

3. WGA

Not a problem for the majority - some systems have been reported
mistakenly..

4. DRM

DRM was the product of the entertainment industry.. it is NOT a problem for
everbody..

5. The necessity of upgrading hardware to make Vista work.

Not so.. people who have relatively new decent hardware will not have to
upgrade unless they are serious gamers.. each OS has required more RAM than
its predecessor, and this is starting to apply to Linux distros as they are
trying to emulate a Windows scenario..

These are not problems that people are having that lead them to post in
this group. These are problems that *everyone* will have and the
responsibility falls squarely in Microsoft's greedy lap.

'Everyone' is stretching fact to suit your own views and financial status..


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Mike Hall MVP]

For somebody who has no previous experience of computers, and where all devices and programs required for use are working, then a new box with Vista pre-installed will be as good as anything.. if you are making up a box for the old guy, use whatever you think will best suit him, and that you know you can support in the event of problems arising from use..


I presently, personally, have four computers
2 Xp Pro
1 Xp Home
1 98SE

The XpHome was just upgraded from ME. I assume no one needs ask why.
One of the XpPros was built from scratch and Vista avoided (9 months ago) because it was going to use specialized software that I didn't trust with Vista.


Now I am trying to make up my mind for a computer that is for e-mail, browsing and a fair amount of pictures for an 80 year old.

Now back to the basic question,
XP Home Vs Vista Premium. In a new computer I would assume the basic drivers will work.
Is there much of an interactive difference to the novice. Most people don't give a crap about the other stuff. IE 6 to IE 7 was a challenge.
if he wanted to write a book he would not be posting here.



(e-mail address removed)

Why would I want say Vista Home Premium over Xp Home?

What are your needs, what is the computer configuration, what is the
intended use? Do you currently have a computer with XP, are you thinking of
upgrading, or are you going to buy a computer? Do you have hardware and
software to put on the new system?

Give some parameters here.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]




--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Alias]

Inline




Some sell it alone, some have sold it with a $10 network card.. maybe
not at El Corte Ingles though..

You can't buy a generic OEM of Vista or XP *anywhere* in Spain anymore.
Retail Ultimate costs over 800 US Dollars.

Not a problem for those who don't use wireless, and not a problem for
those who do..

It's only not a problem for those people like you who don't mind being
accused of theft and having to prove one is not a thief over and over
and over again. Have you no pride or integrity?

Not a problem for the majority - some systems have been reported
mistakenly..

See above.

DRM was the product of the entertainment industry.. it is NOT a problem
for everbody..

Even EMI and Warner are seeing the anti DRM writing on the wall. When
will MS catch up?

Not so.. people who have relatively new decent hardware will not have to
upgrade unless they are serious gamers..

Of course, if you have the hardware already but most people don't.

each OS has required more RAM

than its predecessor, and this is starting to apply to Linux distros as
they are trying to emulate a Windows scenario..

Pulease. I have Ubuntu on a computer from 1999. With only 256 RAM of the
PC-100 variety, even XP is as slow as maple syrup in a cold Canadian
winter. Vista is out of the question.

'Everyone' is stretching fact to suit your own views and financial status..

You wish. Also, you don't have clue one as to my "financial status".

Alias

 

[Mike Hall MVP]

Alias

Almost everything you say comes down to a personal grievance you have with
MS, but you don't even stop there.. you make ridiculous claims for Ubuntu,
and call anybody who uses or wants to use Vista foolish and stupid..

Live and let live..

You can't buy a generic OEM of Vista or XP *anywhere* in Spain anymore.
Retail Ultimate costs over 800 US Dollars.


It's only not a problem for those people like you who don't mind being
accused of theft and having to prove one is not a thief over and over and
over again. Have you no pride or integrity?


See above.


Even EMI and Warner are seeing the anti DRM writing on the wall. When will
MS catch up?


Of course, if you have the hardware already but most people don't.

each OS has required more RAM

Pulease. I have Ubuntu on a computer from 1999. With only 256 RAM of the
PC-100 variety, even XP is as slow as maple syrup in a cold Canadian
winter. Vista is out of the question.


You wish. Also, you don't have clue one as to my "financial status".

Alias

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Alias]

Alias

Almost everything you say comes down to a personal grievance you have
with MS, but you don't even stop there.. you make ridiculous claims for
Ubuntu, and call anybody who uses or wants to use Vista foolish and
stupid..

Live and let live..

As usual, when you're out of ammo, you resort to insults and telling
people what to do. Can you address my points (below)?

Alias, not holding his breath.

 

[Michael Solomon]

Are you sure that 'vernon' is *not* trolling?

Roy

No, I'm not. But the question is rhetorical and others, many who just lurk,
may also be reading so my response if as much for their benefit as for
"Vernon" who may or may not be trolling.

 

[Adam Albright]

Alias

Almost everything you say comes down to a personal grievance you have with
MS, but you don't even stop there.. you make ridiculous claims for Ubuntu,
and call anybody who uses or wants to use Vista foolish and stupid..

Geez... you make all kinds of unsupported claims about Vista yourself
and are tirelessly attacking Ubuntu. How is your non stop bellyaching
any different than somebody else suggesting product X may be a better
choice?

Most MVPs, (the loudmouth variety that hang out here) always can be
counted on to be such hypocrites!

 

[vernon]

Why would I want say Vista Home Premium over Xp Home?

Summation.
No ONE KNOWS on this News Group.

I bet no one knows the biggest problem with IE 7 was until people got used
to it. No, It wasn't a PROBLEM, just a new way of doing a couple things.

I'll Buy the lady a new system with Vista Premium to replace her Xp home
system and respond to panics. I thought I might get a heads up.
Vista has got to have at least a half dozen of those. (NOT problems, just
this is how you do it now.

 

[Richard Urban]

Actually Vernon, you didn't ask a simple question. You want an encyclopedia
of information. This encyclopedia has already been written all over the
internet and in various computer magazines. Read - then make up your own
mind as to why, or why not, you should purchase Vista.

Your original post was just a troll post in my opinion.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

 

[Michael Solomon]

Summation.
No ONE KNOWS on this News Group.

I bet no one knows the biggest problem with IE 7 was until people got
used to it. No, It wasn't a PROBLEM, just a new way of doing a
couple things.
I'll Buy the lady a new system with Vista Premium to replace her Xp
home system and respond to panics. I thought I might get a heads up.
Vista has got to have at least a half dozen of those. (NOT problems,
just this is how you do it now.

You haven't read the thread, Vernon, at least those that were pertinent to
you and, you didn't say in the OP what you were trying to do, that was
further down. I would stick with XP. For surfing, e-mail, word
processessing, she has no conceivable need to move to Vista.

Why should she wrestle with a new and unfamiliar operating system? Is she
also someone who likes rooting about in her system, makes changes to her
hardware and software on a regular basise and loves dealing with
compatibility issues? You didn't say up front this was for an older person
who is familiar with XP. Of course we don't know anything about this person
but assuming, she is at a stage in life where she likes what is comfortable
for her, she's likely only going to be furstrated by Vista and that's
especially true, the more hardware or peripherals she has.

Since you are the one making the decision, have you checked her hardware to
make sure that not only are there drivers available but they support the
full funcitons of her hardware? Have you checked her software, have you
done all the due diligince we would advise anybody about to buy a new
computer or move to a new operating system?

 

[Adam Albright]

Actually Vernon, you didn't ask a simple question. You want an encyclopedia
of information. This encyclopedia has already been written all over the
internet and in various computer magazines. Read - then make up your own
mind as to why, or why not, you should purchase Vista.

Your original post was just a troll post in my opinion.

Your opinion, as you've demonstrated countless times, isn't worth a
pile of week old dog crap.