Simple Network

[Guest]

I have two computers connected via crossover cable. Host is running XP and
guest win2000.
The win2000 laptop automatically detects the connection and uses it for ICS.
I can therefore use the internet on the laptop.
However, neither computer shows the other in network places. Occasionally
(not sure when) the laptop shows the workgroup in which the XP host is
(MSHOME) and itself in WORKGROUP. I cannot rename the XP's workgroup through
the wizard as I get an error. I'm not too sure how to rename the workgroup in
win2000.

HELP!!!

Thanks

 

[Chuck]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:31:02 -0700, "Tom Scully" <Tom

I have two computers connected via crossover cable. Host is running XP and
guest win2000.
The win2000 laptop automatically detects the connection and uses it for ICS.
I can therefore use the internet on the laptop.
However, neither computer shows the other in network places. Occasionally
(not sure when) the laptop shows the workgroup in which the XP host is
(MSHOME) and itself in WORKGROUP. I cannot rename the XP's workgroup through
the wizard as I get an error. I'm not too sure how to rename the workgroup in
win2000.

HELP!!!

Thanks

Tom,

What error did you get when trying to change the workgroup name? I have 2 XP
computers, both in Workgroup, no problem changing the name.

But a name change should not be required to see other computers.

Did you look in Network Places - Entire Network - Microsoft Windows Network?

If that doesn't help, do some diagnostics. Make sure no other problems.

From each computer, test connectivity:
1) Ping itself by name.
2) Ping itself by ip address.
3) Ping the other by name.
4) Ping the other by ip address.
5) Ping 127.0.0.1.
Report success / exact error displayed in each test (10 tests total).

From each computer, test shares visibility (use actual name / address of each
computer as appropriate):
Start - Run then:
1) \\ThisComputerByName
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress
3) \\OtherComputerByName
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress
Report visibility of shares / exact error displayed in each test (8 tests
total).

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Guest]

-----Original Message-----


Tom,

What error did you get when trying to change the workgroup name? I have 2 XP
computers, both in Workgroup, no problem changing the name.

But a name change should not be required to see other computers.

Did you look in Network Places - Entire Network - Microsoft Windows Network?

If that doesn't help, do some diagnostics. Make sure no other problems.

From each computer, test connectivity:
1) Ping itself by name.
2) Ping itself by ip address.
3) Ping the other by name.
4) Ping the other by ip address.
5) Ping 127.0.0.1.
Report success / exact error displayed in each test (10 tests total).

From each computer, test shares visibility (use actual name / address of each
computer as appropriate):
Start - Run then:
1) \\ThisComputerByName
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress
3) \\OtherComputerByName
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress
Report visibility of shares / exact error displayed in each test (8 tests
total).

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily

a bad thing.


RESULTS:

Windows 2000 guest:
1) Ping itself by name. 4/4

2) Ping itself by ip address. 4/4
3) Ping the other by name. Unknown host [computername]
4) Ping the other by ip address. request timed out
5) Ping 127.0.0.1. 4/4

1) \\ThisComputerByName OK
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress OK
3) \\OtherComputerByName The network path was not found
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress The network path was not

found


Windows xp host:
1) Ping itself by name. 4/4

2) Ping itself by ip address. request timed out
3) Ping the other by name. ping request could not find [computername]
4) Ping the other by ip address. request timed out
5) Ping 127.0.0.1. 4/4

1) \\ThisComputerByName OK
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress The network path was not found
3) \\OtherComputerByName The network path was not found
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress The network path was not

found

I have both computers set to enable tcp/ip over netbios,
as help has repeatedly told me to. however, i do not have
a static IP. is this correct?

I have managed to get both computers in WORKGROUP. Win200
shows them both but will only access itself. WinXP shows
only the workgroup. the following message appears when it
is opened.

"Workgroup is not accessibe. You may not have permission
to use this network resource. Contact the administrator
of this server to see if you have access permissions.

The list of servers for this workgroup is currently
unavailable."

Thanks for your help!

Tom Scully

 

[Tom Scully]

Apologies, I have it set to Enable netBIOS over TCP/IP,
not the other way around.

Thanks

 

[Chuck]

RESULTS:

Windows 2000 guest:
1) Ping itself by name. 4/4

2) Ping itself by ip address. 4/4
3) Ping the other by name. Unknown host [computername]
4) Ping the other by ip address. request timed out
5) Ping 127.0.0.1. 4/4

1) \\ThisComputerByName OK
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress OK
3) \\OtherComputerByName The network path was not found
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress The network path was not

found


Windows xp host:
1) Ping itself by name. 4/4

2) Ping itself by ip address. request timed out
3) Ping the other by name. ping request could not find [computername]
4) Ping the other by ip address. request timed out
5) Ping 127.0.0.1. 4/4

1) \\ThisComputerByName OK
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress The network path was not found
3) \\OtherComputerByName The network path was not found
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress The network path was not

found

I have both computers set to enable tcp/ip over netbios,
as help has repeatedly told me to. however, i do not have
a static IP. is this correct?

I have managed to get both computers in WORKGROUP. Win200
shows them both but will only access itself. WinXP shows
only the workgroup. the following message appears when it
is opened.

"Workgroup is not accessibe. You may not have permission
to use this network resource. Contact the administrator
of this server to see if you have access permissions.

The list of servers for this workgroup is currently
unavailable."

Thanks for your help!

Tom Scully

Tom,

If the laptop can access the desktop consistently, for internet service, then
the problem can't be connectivity. I have a feeling you have multiple problems
here.

Please start by providing ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd". Type "ipconfig /all >c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window - Open c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.
Identify operating system (by name and version) with each ipconfig listing.

Do either of the computers have a software firewall (ICF / WF, or third party)?
If so, you need to configure them for file sharing, by opening ports TCP 139,
445 and UDP 137, 138, 445, and / or by identifying the other computers as
present in the Local (Trusted) zone. Firewall configurations are a very common
cause of (network) browser, and file sharing, problems.

Are you running both Client for Microsoft Networks, and File and Printer Sharing
for Microsoft Networks (Local Area Connection - Properties), on each computer?
Do you have shares setup on each?

Make sure the browser service is running on each computer. Control Panel -
Administrative Tools - Services. Verify that the Computer Browser service is
started.

The Microsoft Browstat program will show us what browsers you have in your
domain / workgroup, at any time.
<http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188305>

You can download Browstat from:
<http://www.dynawell.com/reskit/microsoft/win2000/browstat.zip>
<http://rescomp.stanford.edu/staff/manual/rcc/tools/browstat.zip>

Browstat is very small (40K), needs no install, and runs from the command
prompt. Just drop it onto a couple workstations, and run it.

Cheers,
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Guest]

I am very grateful for your help so far. I feel a little
vulnerable posting detailed information about my computer
on a message board. Any chance you could email me at

tom[dot]scully[at]dsl[dot]pipex[dot]com

Thanks

-----Original Message-----

RESULTS:

Windows 2000 guest:
1) Ping itself by name. 4/4

2) Ping itself by ip address. 4/4
3) Ping the other by name. Unknown host [computername]
4) Ping the other by ip address. request timed out
5) Ping 127.0.0.1. 4/4

1) \\ThisComputerByName OK
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress OK
3) \\OtherComputerByName The network path was not found
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress The network path

was not
found


Windows xp host:
1) Ping itself by name. 4/4

2) Ping itself by ip address. request timed out
3) Ping the other by name. ping request could not find [computername]
4) Ping the other by ip address. request timed out
5) Ping 127.0.0.1. 4/4

1) \\ThisComputerByName OK
2) \\ThisComputerByIPAddress The network path

was not
found

3) \\OtherComputerByName The network path was not found
4) \\OtherComputerByIPAddress The network path

was not
found

I have both computers set to enable tcp/ip over netbios,
as help has repeatedly told me to. however, i do not have
a static IP. is this correct?

I have managed to get both computers in WORKGROUP. Win200
shows them both but will only access itself. WinXP shows
only the workgroup. the following message appears when it
is opened.

"Workgroup is not accessibe. You may not have permission
to use this network resource. Contact the administrator
of this server to see if you have access permissions.

The list of servers for this workgroup is currently
unavailable."

Thanks for your help!

Tom Scully

Tom,

If the laptop can access the desktop consistently, for internet service, then
the problem can't be connectivity. I have a feeling you have multiple problems
here.

Please start by providing ipconfig information for each computer.
Start - Run - "cmd". Type "ipconfig /all
c:\ipconfig.txt" into the command
window - Open c:\ipconfig.txt in Notepad, copy and paste into your next post.
Identify operating system (by name and version) with each ipconfig listing.

Do either of the computers have a software firewall (ICF / WF, or third party)?
If so, you need to configure them for file sharing, by opening ports TCP 139,
445 and UDP 137, 138, 445, and / or by identifying the other computers as
present in the Local (Trusted) zone. Firewall

configurations are a very common

 

[Guest]

I have edited firewall setting as suggested. I am using
Noton Internet Security. Does WINXP aslo have an
automatic firewall? Should i leave it running?

Computer browser, Client and File and printer sharing for
MS networks are all running.

IPconfig gives the following:

Windows XP version 2002 service pack 2



Windows IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Scully

Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :

Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes



Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce
Networking Controller

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0D-61-69-
7E-E7

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.12.89

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . :
fe80::20d:61ff:fe69:7ee7%4

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1



PPP adapter Speedtouch Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN
(PPP/SLIP) Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-
00-00

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 81.86.209.50

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . :
255.255.255.255

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 81.86.209.50

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 62.241.160.200

158.43.240.3



Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo
Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 80-00-FB-ED-
AE-A9-2E-CD

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . :
fe80::5445:5245:444f%5

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled



Tunnel adapter 6to4 Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 6to4
Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 51-56-D1-32

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . :
2002:5156:d132::5156:d132

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
2001:1b10::c058:6301


2002:836b:213c:1:e0:8f08:f020:8


2002:c058:6301::c058:6301

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled



Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic
Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 51-56-D1-32

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . :
fe80::5efe:81.86.209.50%2

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled



Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic
Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : A9-FE-0C-59

Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . :
fe80::5efe:169.254.12.89%2

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1


fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1

NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled


Windows 2000 version 5 sp4


Windows 2000 IP Configuration



Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : EYYAlaptop
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
eastriding.gov.uk
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed

IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes

WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:



Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R)
PRO/100 VE Network Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-F0-72-
83-94

DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . :
169.254.112.116

Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0

Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:



Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Cable
Disconnected

Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Samsung SEW-
2001m Card
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-02-2D-87-
23-BF


Browstat gives the following:

WinXP


Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B807A3D8-167A-42B4-A91D-4EE498014B56}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: SCULLY
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master SCULLY
\\SCULLY
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B807A3D8-167A-42B4-A91D-4EE498014B56}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B807A3D8-167A-42B4-A91D-4EE498014B56}


Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{CBEF6542-5DBB-4FB7-8AAE-17DC20E5D0F9}
Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from
GetAdapterStatus.

Unable to query browser statistics: 87


Win2000



Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{52D36AF4-C504-4632-AFA5-2BC07CBA0B78}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: SCULLY
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable
to determine build of browser master: 53
\\\\SCULLY . Version:05.01 Flags: 71603 NT
POTENTIAL BACKUP MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master SCULLY
\\SCULLY
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{52D36AF4-C504-4632-AFA5-2BC07CBA0B78}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{52D36AF4-C504-4632-AFA5-2BC07CBA0B78}


Browser statistics since 21:19:53.932 on 8/30/2004
NumberOfServerEnumerations: 0
NumberOfDomainEnumerations: 0
NumberOfOtherEnumerations: 0
NumberOfMailslotWrites: 0
NumberOfServerAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfDomainAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfElectionPackets: 0
NumberOfGetBrowserServerListRequests: 0
NumberOfMissedGetBrowserServerListRequests: 0
NumberOfDroppedServerAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfDroppedMailslotDatagrams: 0
NumberOfFailedMailslotReceives: 0
NumberOfMasterAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfIllegalDatagrams: 0


Thank you once again!!

Tom Scully


[I now have no internet connection on the laptop, but
both computers now see each other and work as the should.
What is going on?!]

 

[Chuck]

I have edited firewall setting as suggested. I am using
Noton Internet Security. Does WINXP aslo have an
automatic firewall? Should i leave it running?

Computer browser, Client and File and printer sharing for
MS networks are all running.

Browstat gives the following:

WinXP


Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B807A3D8-167A-42B4-A91D-4EE498014B56}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: SCULLY
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master SCULLY
\\SCULLY
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B807A3D8-167A-42B4-A91D-4EE498014B56}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B807A3D8-167A-42B4-A91D-4EE498014B56}


Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{CBEF6542-5DBB-4FB7-8AAE-17DC20E5D0F9}
Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from
GetAdapterStatus.

Unable to query browser statistics: 87


Win2000



Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{52D36AF4-C504-4632-AFA5-2BC07CBA0B78}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: SCULLY
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable
to determine build of browser master: 53
\\\\SCULLY . Version:05.01 Flags: 71603 NT
POTENTIAL BACKUP MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master SCULLY
\\SCULLY
There are 2 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{52D36AF4-C504-4632-AFA5-2BC07CBA0B78}
There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{52D36AF4-C504-4632-AFA5-2BC07CBA0B78}


Browser statistics since 21:19:53.932 on 8/30/2004
NumberOfServerEnumerations: 0
NumberOfDomainEnumerations: 0
NumberOfOtherEnumerations: 0
NumberOfMailslotWrites: 0
NumberOfServerAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfDomainAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfElectionPackets: 0
NumberOfGetBrowserServerListRequests: 0
NumberOfMissedGetBrowserServerListRequests: 0
NumberOfDroppedServerAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfDroppedMailslotDatagrams: 0
NumberOfFailedMailslotReceives: 0
NumberOfMasterAnnouncements: 0
NumberOfIllegalDatagrams: 0


Thank you once again!!

Tom Scully


[I now have no internet connection on the laptop, but
both computers now see each other and work as the should.
What is going on?!]

Hi Tom,

I am looking at your IPConfig listing for Scully. You are running IPV6 - aka
Teredo Tunneling. Are you doing this intentionally?

IPV6 is coming - there is no question about that. But for now, so you can get
everything else working, please remove it.

You should be using Internet Connection Sharing on Scully to provide internet
service on EYYAlaptop (what a name!). Either ICS isn't running, or it's being
blocked by IPV6. Either way, both Scully and EYYAlaptop are self assigning
APIPA addresses.
<http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;220874>

Since both Scully and EYYAlaptop have APIPA addresses, they're both on the same
subnet and can share files using Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer
Sharing For Microsoft Networks, and NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NBT).

You need to get ICS working. Please run the wizard, and select "This computer
connects directly to the internet", and "This computer provides internet service
to other computers". And please get rid of IPV6.

Cheers,

Chuck
Chuck
Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.