Shutdown vs Turn Off Computer (for Hibernate)

[Ol'' Peculier]

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are [Logoff] and
[Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has [Logoff] and [Turn Off
Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his remaining options are 3 buttons:
[Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn Off Computer], while I have a pull down menu
(that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like mine?
We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's power options to
enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to manually invoke it is
from the Task Manager.

 

[Lil' Dave]

Dad's computer may have hardware that will not allow hibernation.

--
Dave
Profound is we're here due to a chance arrangement
of chemicals in the ocean billions of years ago.
More profound is we made it to the top of the food
chain per our reasoning abilities.
Most profound is the denial of why we may
be on the way out.

 

[Ol'' Peculier]

Thanks, Dave. Fair observation, but not likely. We both have "top-o-the-line"
boxes each with 2GB ram.

All help is appreciated, though!

PS - Profound, indeed.
================

Dad's computer may have hardware that will not allow hibernation.

--
Dave
Profound is we're here due to a chance arrangement
of chemicals in the ocean billions of years ago.
More profound is we made it to the top of the food
chain per our reasoning abilities.
Most profound is the denial of why we may
be on the way out.

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are [Logoff]
and
[Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has [Logoff] and [Turn Off
Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his remaining options are 3 buttons:
[Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn Off Computer], while I have a pull down
menu
(that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like mine?
We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's power options
to
enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to manually invoke it is
from the Task Manager.

 

[Script]

Try this from Bill James - "Shutdown Options Tool" - this page:
http://billsway.com/vbspage/
until you find your answer. Or, the script may contain your answer, in itself.

 

[Nepatsfan]

message

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options
are [Logoff] and
[Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has [Logoff]
and [Turn Off
Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his remaining options are
3 buttons:
[Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn Off Computer], while I have
a pull down menu
(that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his
like mine?
We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to
enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to manually
invoke it is
from the Task Manager.

As long as you've enabled Hibernation in System Properties on
your father's computer he can still manually invoke
Hibernation. After your father hits the Turn Off Computer
button, have him hold down the Shift key. The Stand By button
should change to Hibernate. He can now click on that button to
put his computer into hibernation.

If you still want your father's computer configured like yours
he should go to Control Panel and double click User Accounts.
Click on "Change the way users log on or off". On the next
screen, remove the check mark from the box next to "Use the
Welcome screen". Hit the Apply Options button. Now, when he
hits the Turn Off Computer on the Start menu he'll see the
dialog with the drop down menu like you have on your computer.

Good luck

Nepatsfan

 

[Script]

Sorry, it was "get his like mine?", not *get mine like his*.
Still nice VBS for other readers' desktops, I suppose.

 

[Script]

Maybe this will do:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;893056

Are you using "Classic" logon, and he, the "Welcome" screen? [Sounds like]

 

[Gerry]

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can cause
problems many of us prefer to be without!

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Ol'' Peculier]

Because, Gerry, I'M his IT dept. and I'd like ours to be equivalent configs.
;o) Also, hibernation affords "rapid restarts" to the last condition left
before hibernation. And no power consumption in the mean time.

PS - I've never had a hibenate problem (through 7 laptops and 3 desktops)
since beginning using it in... 1998 was it?

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can cause
problems many of us prefer to be without!


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn Off
Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.

 

[Poprivet]

Pretty good reasons, IMO. Like you, I've never had problems with Hibernate
either though I know some people do. A properly run, consistant and updated
machine seldom has problems IME.

Cheers,

Because, Gerry, I'M his IT dept. and I'd like ours to be equivalent
configs. ;o) Also, hibernation affords "rapid restarts" to the last
condition left before hibernation. And no power consumption in the
mean time.

PS - I've never had a hibenate problem (through 7 laptops and 3
desktops) since beginning using it in... 1998 was it?

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can
cause problems many of us prefer to be without!


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn
Off Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes
Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.

 

[Unknown]

Hibernation doesn't cause any problems. What are you trying to say?

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can cause
problems many of us prefer to be without!

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn Off
Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.

 

[Unknown]

After clicking turn off, does standby change to hibernate when the shift key
is pressed?

Because, Gerry, I'M his IT dept. and I'd like ours to be equivalent
configs.
;o) Also, hibernation affords "rapid restarts" to the last condition
left
before hibernation. And no power consumption in the mean time.

PS - I've never had a hibenate problem (through 7 laptops and 3 desktops)
since beginning using it in... 1998 was it?

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can cause
problems many of us prefer to be without!


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn Off
Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.

 

[Ol'' Peculier]

Long answer... try it. I did.

Short answer... yup.

After clicking turn off, does standby change to hibernate when the shift key
is pressed?

Because, Gerry, I'M his IT dept. and I'd like ours to be equivalent
configs.
;o) Also, hibernation affords "rapid restarts" to the last condition
left
before hibernation. And no power consumption in the mean time.

PS - I've never had a hibenate problem (through 7 laptops and 3 desktops)
since beginning using it in... 1998 was it?

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can cause
problems many of us prefer to be without!


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ol'' Peculier wrote:
Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn Off
Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.

 

[Unknown]

That's the hibernation!

Long answer... try it. I did.

Short answer... yup.

After clicking turn off, does standby change to hibernate when the shift
key
is pressed?

Because, Gerry, I'M his IT dept. and I'd like ours to be equivalent
configs.
;o) Also, hibernation affords "rapid restarts" to the last condition
left
before hibernation. And no power consumption in the mean time.

PS - I've never had a hibenate problem (through 7 laptops and 3
desktops)
since beginning using it in... 1998 was it?

:

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can
cause
problems many of us prefer to be without!


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ol'' Peculier wrote:
Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn
Off
Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.

 

[Gerry]

Fine by me.

With hibernation I have recently picked up that it can be implicated in
performance issues. It may not be hibernation itself but it's affect in
certain environments.

If a computer is left on 24/7 the system is not "flushed" by a shutdown
/ startup. Restarting the computer can be a good way to resolve any
problem / error and can the first measure one should take. Those who use
hibernation are tempted to leave the computer on 24/7. Although memory
leaks are not so common as some believe they will continue to cause
pagefile usage to get ever larger if the computer is not restarted.

Another observation is that if a computer has limited "resources" e.g.
limited free disk space hibernation can add to the problem when it dumps
the whole memory to disk. Also waking up can be a problem.

"And no power consumption in the mean time. " Not my field but don't you
mean reduced power consumption? Switching an electrical appliance off is
the only way to eliminate power consumption. Some even say you need to
remove the plug from the socket.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Because, Gerry, I'M his IT dept. and I'd like ours to be equivalent
configs. ;o) Also, hibernation affords "rapid restarts" to the last
condition left before hibernation. And no power consumption in the
mean time.

PS - I've never had a hibenate problem (through 7 laptops and 3
desktops) since beginning using it in... 1998 was it?

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can
cause problems many of us prefer to be without!


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn
Off Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes
Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.

 

[Unknown]

Response in line.

Fine by me.

With hibernation I have recently picked up that it can be implicated in
performance issues. It may not be hibernation itself but it's affect in
certain environments.

Like what?

If a computer is left on 24/7 the system is not "flushed" by a shutdown /
startup. Restarting the computer can be a good way to resolve any problem
/ error and can the first measure one should take.

Why should it have to be flushed??
Those who use

hibernation are tempted to leave the computer on 24/7. Although memory
leaks are not so common as some believe they will continue to cause
pagefile usage to get ever larger if the computer is not restarted.

Sheer nonsense. Using hibernation shuts down power.

Another observation is that if a computer has limited "resources" e.g.
limited free disk space hibernation can add to the problem when it dumps
the whole memory to disk. Also waking up can be a problem.

Why is waking up a problem? If the HD has limited space you'll have many
more problems before
hibernation is involved.

"And no power consumption in the mean time. " Not my field but don't you
mean reduced power consumption? Switching an electrical appliance off is
the only way to eliminate power consumption. Some even say you need to
remove the plug from the socket.

When the computer hibernates, ALL power is shut off.

May I suggest you educate yourself on hibernation.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Because, Gerry, I'M his IT dept. and I'd like ours to be equivalent
configs. ;o) Also, hibernation affords "rapid restarts" to the last
condition left before hibernation. And no power consumption in the
mean time.

PS - I've never had a hibenate problem (through 7 laptops and 3
desktops) since beginning using it in... 1998 was it?

Why would your father prefer to have his like yours? Hibernate can
cause problems many of us prefer to be without!


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ol'' Peculier wrote:
Hello, all.

I'm running XP Pro. When I click [start] my "leave" options are
[Logoff] and [Shutdown]. My father's computer (also XP Pro) has
[Logoff] and [Turn Off Computer] (!?). With "Turn Off..." his
remaining options are 3 buttons: [Stand By], [Restart], and [Turn
Off Computer], while I have a pull down menu (that includes
Hibernate).

Now then *whew*, why are they different and how do I get his like
mine? We're both SP2 current etc. etc. and I've set his machine's
power options to enable "Hibernate", but the only place I can see to
manually invoke it is from the Task Manager.