should I take a website design2 day course?

[brandy]

Hello, I don't have any experience in web design, and I was thinking of
taking a 2 day intensive course designed to teach web site design. In
this 2 day course we will learn the basics of FrontPage, Dreamweaver,
Flash, Photoshop, and Basic HTML. I am not sure if this will be to
overwhelming, or just not worth it, or do you think it is not possible
to learn the basics of all this in 2 days, any thoughts?

 

[Tom [Pepper] Willett]

I think that if you think it would be beneficial, do it.

But, make sure the instructors have hands-on experience, not just
out-of-the-book teaching.

Several years ago, I took a one-day course on FrontPage 1.1. The instructor
was good, but strictly a textbook teacher. Never had much experience in
actually using FP.

After 30 minutes, she told me: "you might as well go ahead and leave.
There is nothing I can teach you. You're already 10 steps ahead of me."

I left and got a refund on the course.

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

That's a lot to cover in 2 days.



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| Hello, I don't have any experience in web design, and I was thinking of
| taking a 2 day intensive course designed to teach web site design. In
| this 2 day course we will learn the basics of FrontPage, Dreamweaver,
| Flash, Photoshop, and Basic HTML. I am not sure if this will be to
| overwhelming, or just not worth it, or do you think it is not possible
| to learn the basics of all this in 2 days, any thoughts?
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[Craig Schiller]

In my opinion, you would be very lucky to find an instructor who could
give you a thorough grounding in just /one/ of the programs you list. To
"get the basics" of all 4, plus HTML, in two days is preposterous.

Craig

 

[E. T. Culling]

Take a look at what is available at Lynda.com FrontPage
Essential Training.
http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=128
It's a CD and there are plenty of 'movie's' you can try for Free. You can
work at your own pace. Garo Green IS a good teacher.
Good Luck!
Eleanor

 

[Helpful person]

Hello, I don't have any experience in web design, and I was thinking of
taking a 2 day intensive course designed to teach web site design. In
this 2 day course we will learn the basics of FrontPage, Dreamweaver,
Flash, Photoshop, and Basic HTML. I am not sure if this will be to
overwhelming, or just not worth it, or do you think it is not possible
to learn the basics of all this in 2 days, any thoughts?

I'm a beginner at web design but a well seasoned programmer. I would
not recommend Frontpage. I am using it because I have put the effort
into learning it and have bought a copy.

www.richardfisher.com

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Frontpage is pretty easy/powerful/cost-effective...what would you recommend
then?

|
| brandy wrote:
| > Hello, I don't have any experience in web design, and I was thinking of
| > taking a 2 day intensive course designed to teach web site design. In
| > this 2 day course we will learn the basics of FrontPage, Dreamweaver,
| > Flash, Photoshop, and Basic HTML. I am not sure if this will be to
| > overwhelming, or just not worth it, or do you think it is not possible
| > to learn the basics of all this in 2 days, any thoughts?
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > brandy
|
| I'm a beginner at web design but a well seasoned programmer. I would
| not recommend Frontpage. I am using it because I have put the effort
| into learning it and have bought a copy.
|
| www.richardfisher.com
|

 

[E. T. Culling]

And what would you recommend and why?
Eleanor

I'm a beginner at web design but a well seasoned programmer. I would
not recommend Frontpage. I am using it because I have put the effort
into learning it and have bought a copy.

www.richardfisher.com

 

[Helpful person]

Frontpage is pretty easy/powerful/cost-effective...what would you recommend
then?

As I said I'm just a beginner at web design. However I recognise a
poor program when I see it. I've found that quite often when I want to
do something slightly unusual the program does not work properly as
described (by microsoft on their extraordinarily good on line help).

I agree that it gives you a good bang for the buck. However, my time
is very important and I would rather have paid more for a better
program. I bought Frontpage because I am completely ignorant regarding
HTML and Javascript. However, without HTML knowledge I find myself
struggling with this program.

I have not used any other web design program so cannot make any
recommendations.

www.richardfisher.com

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

I see.

You will find you have this issue with any program you use. None are totally
automatic, and all require learning. Download Dreamweaver's trial, it's also
an excellent editor. You can also try MS Expression Web Designer it's in
public beta now, and imo it's very very cool.




|
| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > Frontpage is pretty easy/powerful/cost-effective...what would you
recommend
| > then?
| >
| >
|
| As I said I'm just a beginner at web design. However I recognise a
| poor program when I see it. I've found that quite often when I want to
| do something slightly unusual the program does not work properly as
| described (by microsoft on their extraordinarily good on line help).
|
| I agree that it gives you a good bang for the buck. However, my time
| is very important and I would rather have paid more for a better
| program. I bought Frontpage because I am completely ignorant regarding
| HTML and Javascript. However, without HTML knowledge I find myself
| struggling with this program.
|
| I have not used any other web design program so cannot make any
| recommendations.
|
| www.richardfisher.com
|

 

[Helpful person]

I see.

You will find you have this issue with any program you use. None are totally
automatic, and all require learning. Download Dreamweaver's trial, it's also
an excellent editor. You can also try MS Expression Web Designer it's in
public beta now, and imo it's very very cool.

Thanks,

I know their are issues with all programs, however Frontpage has caught
me out too often. The latest that really upset me is that behaviours
in an include page do not work (at least when I used them) when the
page is included in another. (They worked fine in the original page.)

Rather than spend time learning another web design program, if I have
time, I will learn HTML and possible Javascript. Programing is not my
business so I will probably make do with what I have.

www.richardfisher.com

 

[Kevin Spencer]

As I said I'm just a beginner at web design. However I recognise a

poor program when I see it.

These 2 statements contradict each other.

The best set of carpentry tools won't enable you to build a house any better
either.

The purpose of FrontPage is to provide you with tools you need to create web
sites. No web development software can make you into a web designer. That is
entirely up to you.

The WWW is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of Microsoft. In fact, it is
populated by virtually every existing type of hardware and software in the
world. HTML is designed to be viewable on any browser, but making it behave
the same is something that requires skill and knowledge, more intelligence
than a computer software package is capable of at this point. In addition,
since HTML is designed to work on any platform, it's a lot harder to make
idiot-proof tools than it is for a program like Word which can only be
viewed in Microsoft Word.

If this is a surprise to you, that is not the fault of FrontPage, Microsoft,
Macromedia, Adobe, Netscape, or even AOL. Only you can educate yourself.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull

The man who questions opinions is wise.
The man who quarrels with facts is a fool.

 

[Helpful person]

These 2 statements contradict each other.

The best set of carpentry tools won't enable you to build a house any better
either.

The purpose of FrontPage is to provide you with tools you need to create web
sites. No web development software can make you into a web designer. That is
entirely up to you.

The WWW is not a wholly-owned subsidiary of Microsoft. In fact, it is
populated by virtually every existing type of hardware and software in the
world. HTML is designed to be viewable on any browser, but making it behave
the same is something that requires skill and knowledge, more intelligence
than a computer software package is capable of at this point. In addition,
since HTML is designed to work on any platform, it's a lot harder to make
idiot-proof tools than it is for a program like Word which can only be
viewed in Microsoft Word.

If this is a surprise to you, that is not the fault of FrontPage, Microsoft,
Macromedia, Adobe, Netscape, or even AOL. Only you can educate yourself.

It is a simple task to recognise a poor tool and to understand what is
required to make a good tool, especially in programing. A poor tool
puts obstructions in your path or forces you to find alternative
methods to reach your end. A good tool offers methods to reach your
goal as efficiently as possible.

The actual goal is up to the designer. The qualiity of design of the
final product is important. It is this design that separates the good
(and experianced) designer from the poor. The tools used are an aid in
this task.

There is no contradiction in recognizing one's limitted experience and
also being able to recognize the limitations of the tools one is using.

www.richardfisher.com