Should I import my site into Frontpage?

[James Ivey]

I've got a decent-sized website (1.17 Gb) that I have built over the years. It is just standalone html pages (with lots of graphics and video). Its at http://www.iampeth.com

I used Frontpage to build the pages, but only as a WYSIWYG html editor.

Just in the last week or so, with ya'lls help (thanks Rob!) I've created a little website in Frontpage, and built a couple of forms that work great!

http://www.iampeth.com/online_membership_form.htm
http://www.iampeth.com/registration.htm

The two webs live in different places on my harddrive.

Right now, I'm FTPing the 'standalone' site, and publishing the FP forms up to my webhost, so that the little FP site is kind of "nested" in my existing site, if that makes sense.

What I'm wondering.... is should I go ahead and put the whole enchilada into my Frontpage web? Its kind of a pain keeping up with 2 separate webs on my local drive.. FTPing the 'standalone', and publishing the FP forms.
1.. What would be the advantages?
2.. Any weirdness or badness to watch out for?
3.. If I import it, first time I publish is it going to take 10 years?
4.. How's the best way to do it? Can I just manually copy the 'standalone' files into my FP web?
Thanks for any input!

James Ivey

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

Welp...and you're welcome as well..

It appears as your web does have FP extensions enabled, why not just try it? Yes, it might take 9.75 years.

Open FP

Open Site but you will type in http://www.iampeth.com and open the site "live"

Then File | Publish and choose a location on your hardrive to Publish to. This will be a c:\ location if you're working without a server on your machine or a http://localhost/ location if you are.

In either case choose a new name for where you will store it, don't overwrite your existing hardrive web...so like:

C:\My Webs\awebnamehere (disc-based)
or
http://localhost/awebnamehere (IIS server based)

And publish away. Yes, you may need to go grab a cup of java or a beer while it downloads, but hey...what the heck!

When it's done publishing...close the "live" web.


I've got a decent-sized website (1.17 Gb) that I have built over the years. It is just standalone html pages (with lots of graphics and video). Its at http://www.iampeth.com

I used Frontpage to build the pages, but only as a WYSIWYG html editor.

Just in the last week or so, with ya'lls help (thanks Rob!) I've created a little website in Frontpage, and built a couple of forms that work great!

http://www.iampeth.com/online_membership_form.htm
http://www.iampeth.com/registration.htm

The two webs live in different places on my harddrive.

Right now, I'm FTPing the 'standalone' site, and publishing the FP forms up to my webhost, so that the little FP site is kind of "nested" in my existing site, if that makes sense.

What I'm wondering.... is should I go ahead and put the whole enchilada into my Frontpage web? Its kind of a pain keeping up with 2 separate webs on my local drive.. FTPing the 'standalone', and publishing the FP forms.
1.. What would be the advantages?
2.. Any weirdness or badness to watch out for?
3.. If I import it, first time I publish is it going to take 10 years?
4.. How's the best way to do it? Can I just manually copy the 'standalone' files into my FP web?
Thanks for any input!

James Ivey

 

[James Ivey]

Hi Rob. Thanks again.

So in the scenario you describe, I would be copying what is "live" out on my webhost server, correct?

Why would I want to do that rather than import what is on my local harddrive? or does it matter?

The reason I ask, is because last night I was playing around in the FP Folder View, and discovered that I can drag-n-drop from an Explorer window into the Frontpage window, and up pops a little dialog box that says its importing.

And I've got some stuff on my local disk-based web that is not out on my webhost.

Well.... let me qualify that. I just tried the drag-n-drop with a pretty large folder in my local 'standalone' web, and it choked on something. Rats.

I think I'm just really scared something is gonna break. Its all working right now... so I'm kinda like "dude, so why you messing with it??"

aaarrgh.
Welp...and you're welcome as well..

It appears as your web does have FP extensions enabled, why not just try it? Yes, it might take 9.75 years.

Open FP

Open Site but you will type in http://www.iampeth.com and open the site "live"

Then File | Publish and choose a location on your hardrive to Publish to. This will be a c:\ location if you're working without a server on your machine or a http://localhost/ location if you are.

In either case choose a new name for where you will store it, don't overwrite your existing hardrive web...so like:

C:\My Webs\awebnamehere (disc-based)
or
http://localhost/awebnamehere (IIS server based)

And publish away. Yes, you may need to go grab a cup of java or a beer while it downloads, but hey...what the heck!

When it's done publishing...close the "live" web.


I've got a decent-sized website (1.17 Gb) that I have built over the years. It is just standalone html pages (with lots of graphics and video). Its at http://www.iampeth.com

I used Frontpage to build the pages, but only as a WYSIWYG html editor.

Just in the last week or so, with ya'lls help (thanks Rob!) I've created a little website in Frontpage, and built a couple of forms that work great!

http://www.iampeth.com/online_membership_form.htm
http://www.iampeth.com/registration.htm

The two webs live in different places on my harddrive.

Right now, I'm FTPing the 'standalone' site, and publishing the FP forms up to my webhost, so that the little FP site is kind of "nested" in my existing site, if that makes sense.

What I'm wondering.... is should I go ahead and put the whole enchilada into my Frontpage web? Its kind of a pain keeping up with 2 separate webs on my local drive.. FTPing the 'standalone', and publishing the FP forms.
1.. What would be the advantages?
2.. Any weirdness or badness to watch out for?
3.. If I import it, first time I publish is it going to take 10 years?
4.. How's the best way to do it? Can I just manually copy the 'standalone' files into my FP web?
Thanks for any input!

James Ivey

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

By using Publish via http (works only with FP extended web) you are getting all of the components that FP needs to manage/create the web. With Import you basically get only what a browser sees, unless you do a lot of detective work to snag the rest..so don't use import to do this.

The advantage is that you can work locally, test it..blah blah blah, then Publish changes back up to the remote server when you're ready. In addition to having the web safe(?) on your machine as a backup.

Nothing "should" break...but, that's why I recommend publishing to an entirely different location on your machine. If the newly Published site on your hd looks goofy you just open it and delete it (from within FP).

Reading between your lines, it almost sounds like you are not working with a local FP web/site; but rather with loose pages ?? Not sure I grok what you mean by "standalone web"

Anything that you would have out on the server that is not on your local machine will not exist in your new web, but you can Import them into the new web (locally, from your old disc-based web) then mark them as "Do Not Publish" if you do not want them to exist on the remote server.

I always Import folders into FP, not drag/drop (I'm butter-fingers so I'm a scared I'll drop it somewhere else ...I think File | Import is safer.



Hi Rob. Thanks again.

So in the scenario you describe, I would be copying what is "live" out on my webhost server, correct?

Why would I want to do that rather than import what is on my local harddrive? or does it matter?

The reason I ask, is because last night I was playing around in the FP Folder View, and discovered that I can drag-n-drop from an Explorer window into the Frontpage window, and up pops a little dialog box that says its importing.

And I've got some stuff on my local disk-based web that is not out on my webhost.

Well.... let me qualify that. I just tried the drag-n-drop with a pretty large folder in my local 'standalone' web, and it choked on something. Rats.

I think I'm just really scared something is gonna break. Its all working right now... so I'm kinda like "dude, so why you messing with it??"

aaarrgh.
Welp...and you're welcome as well..

It appears as your web does have FP extensions enabled, why not just try it? Yes, it might take 9.75 years.

Open FP

Open Site but you will type in http://www.iampeth.com and open the site "live"

Then File | Publish and choose a location on your hardrive to Publish to. This will be a c:\ location if you're working without a server on your machine or a http://localhost/ location if you are.

In either case choose a new name for where you will store it, don't overwrite your existing hardrive web...so like:

C:\My Webs\awebnamehere (disc-based)
or
http://localhost/awebnamehere (IIS server based)

And publish away. Yes, you may need to go grab a cup of java or a beer while it downloads, but hey...what the heck!

When it's done publishing...close the "live" web.


I've got a decent-sized website (1.17 Gb) that I have built over the years. It is just standalone html pages (with lots of graphics and video). Its at http://www.iampeth.com

I used Frontpage to build the pages, but only as a WYSIWYG html editor.

Just in the last week or so, with ya'lls help (thanks Rob!) I've created a little website in Frontpage, and built a couple of forms that work great!

http://www.iampeth.com/online_membership_form.htm
http://www.iampeth.com/registration.htm

The two webs live in different places on my harddrive.

Right now, I'm FTPing the 'standalone' site, and publishing the FP forms up to my webhost, so that the little FP site is kind of "nested" in my existing site, if that makes sense.

What I'm wondering.... is should I go ahead and put the whole enchilada into my Frontpage web? Its kind of a pain keeping up with 2 separate webs on my local drive.. FTPing the 'standalone', and publishing the FP forms.
1.. What would be the advantages?
2.. Any weirdness or badness to watch out for?
3.. If I import it, first time I publish is it going to take 10 years?
4.. How's the best way to do it? Can I just manually copy the 'standalone' files into my FP web?
Thanks for any input!

James Ivey

 

[James Ivey]

Ok. I'm trying it the way you describe.

and Rat-holes... it looks like its choking on something. The publishing dialog box says its in the process of publishing "artwork/itospec0001.jpg", but it appears to be hung. it hasn't changed in several minutes, and there is no "activity" in the little network icon in the Systray.

dad-gummit. suggestions? Cancel and try again?

By using Publish via http (works only with FP extended web) you are getting all of the components that FP needs to manage/create the web. With Import you basically get only what a browser sees, unless you do a lot of detective work to snag the rest..so don't use import to do this.

The advantage is that you can work locally, test it..blah blah blah, then Publish changes back up to the remote server when you're ready. In addition to having the web safe(?) on your machine as a backup.

Nothing "should" break...but, that's why I recommend publishing to an entirely different location on your machine. If the newly Published site on your hd looks goofy you just open it and delete it (from within FP).

Reading between your lines, it almost sounds like you are not working with a local FP web/site; but rather with loose pages ?? Not sure I grok what you mean by "standalone web"

Anything that you would have out on the server that is not on your local machine will not exist in your new web, but you can Import them into the new web (locally, from your old disc-based web) then mark them as "Do Not Publish" if you do not want them to exist on the remote server.

I always Import folders into FP, not drag/drop (I'm butter-fingers so I'm a scared I'll drop it somewhere else ...I think File | Import is safer.



Hi Rob. Thanks again.

So in the scenario you describe, I would be copying what is "live" out on my webhost server, correct?

Why would I want to do that rather than import what is on my local harddrive? or does it matter?

The reason I ask, is because last night I was playing around in the FP Folder View, and discovered that I can drag-n-drop from an Explorer window into the Frontpage window, and up pops a little dialog box that says its importing.

And I've got some stuff on my local disk-based web that is not out on my webhost.

Well.... let me qualify that. I just tried the drag-n-drop with a pretty large folder in my local 'standalone' web, and it choked on something. Rats.

I think I'm just really scared something is gonna break. Its all working right now... so I'm kinda like "dude, so why you messing with it??"

aaarrgh.
Welp...and you're welcome as well..

It appears as your web does have FP extensions enabled, why not just try it? Yes, it might take 9.75 years.

Open FP

Open Site but you will type in http://www.iampeth.com and open the site "live"

Then File | Publish and choose a location on your hardrive to Publish to. This will be a c:\ location if you're working without a server on your machine or a http://localhost/ location if you are.

In either case choose a new name for where you will store it, don't overwrite your existing hardrive web...so like:

C:\My Webs\awebnamehere (disc-based)
or
http://localhost/awebnamehere (IIS server based)

And publish away. Yes, you may need to go grab a cup of java or a beer while it downloads, but hey...what the heck!

When it's done publishing...close the "live" web.


I've got a decent-sized website (1.17 Gb) that I have built over the years. It is just standalone html pages (with lots of graphics and video). Its at http://www.iampeth.com

I used Frontpage to build the pages, but only as a WYSIWYG html editor.

Just in the last week or so, with ya'lls help (thanks Rob!) I've created a little website in Frontpage, and built a couple of forms that work great!

http://www.iampeth.com/online_membership_form.htm
http://www.iampeth.com/registration.htm

The two webs live in different places on my harddrive.

Right now, I'm FTPing the 'standalone' site, and publishing the FP forms up to my webhost, so that the little FP site is kind of "nested" in my existing site, if that makes sense.

What I'm wondering.... is should I go ahead and put the whole enchilada into my Frontpage web? Its kind of a pain keeping up with 2 separate webs on my local drive.. FTPing the 'standalone', and publishing the FP forms.
1.. What would be the advantages?
2.. Any weirdness or badness to watch out for?
3.. If I import it, first time I publish is it going to take 10 years?
4.. How's the best way to do it? Can I just manually copy the 'standalone' files into my FP web?
Thanks for any input!

James Ivey

 

[Tom Miller]

and Rat-holes... it looks like its choking on something. The >publishing dialog box says its in the process of publishing >"artwork/itospec0001.jpg", but it appears to be hung. it hasn't >changed in several minutes, and there is no "activity" in the little >network icon in the Systray.

How big is "itospec0001.jpg? What kind of link are you using to your ISP (dialup, broadband, DSL, T1, wireless, WA wireless[slow cellphone connection] or smoke signals....). I have trouble with my Wide Area wireless connection off and on. And it hangs for no paticular reason...

 

[James Ivey]

Its 123 Kb. I'm on DSL.

and Rat-holes... it looks like its choking on something. The >publishing dialog box says its in the process of publishing >"artwork/itospec0001.jpg", but it appears to be hung. it hasn't >changed in several minutes, and there is no "activity" in the little >network icon in the Systray.

How big is "itospec0001.jpg? What kind of link are you using to your ISP (dialup, broadband, DSL, T1, wireless, WA wireless[slow cellphone connection] or smoke signals....). I have trouble with my Wide Area wireless connection off and on. And it hangs for no paticular reason...

 

[Rob Giordano \(Crash\)]

I suspect that image is really 3.5 meg. It kinda looks like it's a .bmp that may have had it's extension changed to jpg and it is not truly jpg.

In any case publishing may be barfing on the image size.


Its 123 Kb. I'm on DSL.

and Rat-holes... it looks like its choking on something. The >publishing dialog box says its in the process of publishing >"artwork/itospec0001.jpg", but it appears to be hung. it hasn't >changed in several minutes, and there is no "activity" in the little >network icon in the Systray.

How big is "itospec0001.jpg? What kind of link are you using to your ISP (dialup, broadband, DSL, T1, wireless, WA wireless[slow cellphone connection] or smoke signals....). I have trouble with my Wide Area wireless connection off and on. And it hangs for no paticular reason...