Setting up Home Network w/ 2 Routers


S

ShawnMix

Ok I have a bit of a complicated situation and have gotten so
frustrated trying to get it to work properly. I have googled all over
and on all different variations of the topic with no real help. So
here it goes:

I currently have DSL service with SBC Yahoo DSL. The modem that they
provided is a 2Wire Gateway. The model of this gateway is a 1701HG
Gateway. The connection is obviously PPPoE. This unit is set by
default to have DHCP enabled as well.

The house is pre-wired for a network. So there are 5 rooms with jacks.
These 5 jacks have the cables in the basement by the 1701HG. So I
have 4 out of 5 of connections active since the 1701HG only has 4
ports.

The next piece on the network is a Netgear RangeMax Wireless Router
WPN824. This router is in my room (1 of the 4 connections from the LAN
ports on the 1701HG). The cable to the WPN824 is plugged into port 4
and my xbox, desktop, and laptop are connected to ports 1-3. The
Internet/WAN/Uplink port is empty. If I manually set the router to
DHCP Off and that my connection does not require username and pass and
to receive everything from ISP the network works. I can see everyone
on the network, I can access internet on all computers.

The problem comes from the new design I am looking to create in the
household. I am looking to create a Linux NAS box that will serve up
some storage and also be a print server as well. Since I will be
seperating my main storage off of my computer to this NAS I would like
to better secure my network. The 1701HG just does not cut it. I need
the WPN824 to be the DHCP, Firewall, and basically the master Router on
the network.

So I moved the WPN824 downstairs to the basement with the 1701HG. I
set the 1701HG to not DHCP. I then plugged in the WPN824 via
Internet/WAN/Uplink port to the 1701HG via LAN port 1. The netgear
software did it's thing in detecting the connection, asked for
user/pass, and completed successfully. Now I have a 1701HG with no
DHCP, a static IP for itself, and a connection to the internet being
shared with the Netgear WPN824. Plugged in my laptop to the WPN824 and
connects fine. The problem is that the rest of the household
connections do not work when plugged in to the other LAN ports on the
Netgear.

The final trouble is also in my room I am trying to use a old Linksys
Router as a switch. BEFW11S4. I have an xbox, desktop, and laptop in
my room and need to split the jack coming in. So I try to set the
router with No DHCP, static IP, and plug the jack from the wall into
the LAN port 4. The other devices in my room also connected to the LAN
ports 1-3. No luck. Any geniuses' who could potentially help me with
this situation? I think the main problem is actually the connection
between the Netgear and the wall jacks. I figure if I can plug my
laptop directly in and work, why can't I plug my laptop on through a
wall jack and still work? And if I can get that far, then I just need
to figure out how to configure the router to cooperate with the other
router. Thanks!
 
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R

Richard G. Harper

The first thing you probably need is a crossover cable - not a straight
network cable - to make the connection from the wall jack to the second
router. Router (or switch or hub) to PC uses a straight cable, PC to PC or
router to router needs a crossover cable unless the router has an uplink
port to make the connection to.

The second thing you need is to turn off all routing features on the Linksys
router, otherwise you will have divided your network into two physical
networks that do not have full connectivity between them. Either the router
manual or Linksys web site should have the details you need for that.

--
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S

ShawnMix

Now I have not tried utilizing a crossover cable between the Netgear
Router and the 2Wire Gateway, but I am having a more serious problem
now. I realized today after another go at it that when I disconnect
all the computers from the 2Wire and plus them into the Netgear
instead, all the computers read that a cable is unplugged. This might
be part of the issue. Any ideas?
The first thing you probably need is a crossover cable - not a straight
network cable - to make the connection from the wall jack to the second
router. Router (or switch or hub) to PC uses a straight cable, PC to PC or
router to router needs a crossover cable unless the router has an uplink
port to make the connection to.

The second thing you need is to turn off all routing features on the Linksys
router, otherwise you will have divided your network into two physical
networks that do not have full connectivity between them. Either the router
manual or Linksys web site should have the details you need for that.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Ok I have a bit of a complicated situation and have gotten so
frustrated trying to get it to work properly. I have googled all over
and on all different variations of the topic with no real help. So
here it goes:

I currently have DSL service with SBC Yahoo DSL. The modem that they
provided is a 2Wire Gateway. The model of this gateway is a 1701HG
Gateway. The connection is obviously PPPoE. This unit is set by
default to have DHCP enabled as well.

The house is pre-wired for a network. So there are 5 rooms with jacks.
These 5 jacks have the cables in the basement by the 1701HG. So I
have 4 out of 5 of connections active since the 1701HG only has 4
ports.

The next piece on the network is a Netgear RangeMax Wireless Router
WPN824. This router is in my room (1 of the 4 connections from the LAN
ports on the 1701HG). The cable to the WPN824 is plugged into port 4
and my xbox, desktop, and laptop are connected to ports 1-3. The
Internet/WAN/Uplink port is empty. If I manually set the router to
DHCP Off and that my connection does not require username and pass and
to receive everything from ISP the network works. I can see everyone
on the network, I can access internet on all computers.

The problem comes from the new design I am looking to create in the
household. I am looking to create a Linux NAS box that will serve up
some storage and also be a print server as well. Since I will be
seperating my main storage off of my computer to this NAS I would like
to better secure my network. The 1701HG just does not cut it. I need
the WPN824 to be the DHCP, Firewall, and basically the master Router on
the network.

So I moved the WPN824 downstairs to the basement with the 1701HG. I
set the 1701HG to not DHCP. I then plugged in the WPN824 via
Internet/WAN/Uplink port to the 1701HG via LAN port 1. The netgear
software did it's thing in detecting the connection, asked for
user/pass, and completed successfully. Now I have a 1701HG with no
DHCP, a static IP for itself, and a connection to the internet being
shared with the Netgear WPN824. Plugged in my laptop to the WPN824 and
connects fine. The problem is that the rest of the household
connections do not work when plugged in to the other LAN ports on the
Netgear.

The final trouble is also in my room I am trying to use a old Linksys
Router as a switch. BEFW11S4. I have an xbox, desktop, and laptop in
my room and need to split the jack coming in. So I try to set the
router with No DHCP, static IP, and plug the jack from the wall into
the LAN port 4. The other devices in my room also connected to the LAN
ports 1-3. No luck. Any geniuses' who could potentially help me with
this situation? I think the main problem is actually the connection
between the Netgear and the wall jacks. I figure if I can plug my
laptop directly in and work, why can't I plug my laptop on through a
wall jack and still work? And if I can get that far, then I just need
to figure out how to configure the router to cooperate with the other
router. Thanks!
 
R

Richard G. Harper

Sounds like the Netgear has failed. If any computer plugged into it says
there is no network connection then it's not working correctly.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Now I have not tried utilizing a crossover cable between the Netgear
Router and the 2Wire Gateway, but I am having a more serious problem
now. I realized today after another go at it that when I disconnect
all the computers from the 2Wire and plus them into the Netgear
instead, all the computers read that a cable is unplugged. This might
be part of the issue. Any ideas?
The first thing you probably need is a crossover cable - not a straight
network cable - to make the connection from the wall jack to the second
router. Router (or switch or hub) to PC uses a straight cable, PC to PC
or
router to router needs a crossover cable unless the router has an uplink
port to make the connection to.

The second thing you need is to turn off all routing features on the
Linksys
router, otherwise you will have divided your network into two physical
networks that do not have full connectivity between them. Either the
router
manual or Linksys web site should have the details you need for that.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Ok I have a bit of a complicated situation and have gotten so
frustrated trying to get it to work properly. I have googled all over
and on all different variations of the topic with no real help. So
here it goes:

I currently have DSL service with SBC Yahoo DSL. The modem that they
provided is a 2Wire Gateway. The model of this gateway is a 1701HG
Gateway. The connection is obviously PPPoE. This unit is set by
default to have DHCP enabled as well.

The house is pre-wired for a network. So there are 5 rooms with jacks.
These 5 jacks have the cables in the basement by the 1701HG. So I
have 4 out of 5 of connections active since the 1701HG only has 4
ports.

The next piece on the network is a Netgear RangeMax Wireless Router
WPN824. This router is in my room (1 of the 4 connections from the LAN
ports on the 1701HG). The cable to the WPN824 is plugged into port 4
and my xbox, desktop, and laptop are connected to ports 1-3. The
Internet/WAN/Uplink port is empty. If I manually set the router to
DHCP Off and that my connection does not require username and pass and
to receive everything from ISP the network works. I can see everyone
on the network, I can access internet on all computers.

The problem comes from the new design I am looking to create in the
household. I am looking to create a Linux NAS box that will serve up
some storage and also be a print server as well. Since I will be
seperating my main storage off of my computer to this NAS I would like
to better secure my network. The 1701HG just does not cut it. I need
the WPN824 to be the DHCP, Firewall, and basically the master Router on
the network.

So I moved the WPN824 downstairs to the basement with the 1701HG. I
set the 1701HG to not DHCP. I then plugged in the WPN824 via
Internet/WAN/Uplink port to the 1701HG via LAN port 1. The netgear
software did it's thing in detecting the connection, asked for
user/pass, and completed successfully. Now I have a 1701HG with no
DHCP, a static IP for itself, and a connection to the internet being
shared with the Netgear WPN824. Plugged in my laptop to the WPN824 and
connects fine. The problem is that the rest of the household
connections do not work when plugged in to the other LAN ports on the
Netgear.

The final trouble is also in my room I am trying to use a old Linksys
Router as a switch. BEFW11S4. I have an xbox, desktop, and laptop in
my room and need to split the jack coming in. So I try to set the
router with No DHCP, static IP, and plug the jack from the wall into
the LAN port 4. The other devices in my room also connected to the LAN
ports 1-3. No luck. Any geniuses' who could potentially help me with
this situation? I think the main problem is actually the connection
between the Netgear and the wall jacks. I figure if I can plug my
laptop directly in and work, why can't I plug my laptop on through a
wall jack and still work? And if I can get that far, then I just need
to figure out how to configure the router to cooperate with the other
router. Thanks!
 
S

ShawnMix

no the Netgear is fine. it works fine when I have it connected in my
room to the DSL modem. But whenever I unplug it and try to plug the
rest of the network in without the DSL, they all go dead. I'm so lost.

Sounds like the Netgear has failed. If any computer plugged into it says
there is no network connection then it's not working correctly.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Now I have not tried utilizing a crossover cable between the Netgear
Router and the 2Wire Gateway, but I am having a more serious problem
now. I realized today after another go at it that when I disconnect
all the computers from the 2Wire and plus them into the Netgear
instead, all the computers read that a cable is unplugged. This might
be part of the issue. Any ideas?
The first thing you probably need is a crossover cable - not a straight
network cable - to make the connection from the wall jack to the second
router. Router (or switch or hub) to PC uses a straight cable, PC to PC
or
router to router needs a crossover cable unless the router has an uplink
port to make the connection to.

The second thing you need is to turn off all routing features on the
Linksys
router, otherwise you will have divided your network into two physical
networks that do not have full connectivity between them. Either the
router
manual or Linksys web site should have the details you need for that.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Ok I have a bit of a complicated situation and have gotten so
frustrated trying to get it to work properly. I have googled all over
and on all different variations of the topic with no real help. So
here it goes:

I currently have DSL service with SBC Yahoo DSL. The modem that they
provided is a 2Wire Gateway. The model of this gateway is a 1701HG
Gateway. The connection is obviously PPPoE. This unit is set by
default to have DHCP enabled as well.

The house is pre-wired for a network. So there are 5 rooms with jacks.
These 5 jacks have the cables in the basement by the 1701HG. So I
have 4 out of 5 of connections active since the 1701HG only has 4
ports.

The next piece on the network is a Netgear RangeMax Wireless Router
WPN824. This router is in my room (1 of the 4 connections from the LAN
ports on the 1701HG). The cable to the WPN824 is plugged into port 4
and my xbox, desktop, and laptop are connected to ports 1-3. The
Internet/WAN/Uplink port is empty. If I manually set the router to
DHCP Off and that my connection does not require username and pass and
to receive everything from ISP the network works. I can see everyone
on the network, I can access internet on all computers.

The problem comes from the new design I am looking to create in the
household. I am looking to create a Linux NAS box that will serve up
some storage and also be a print server as well. Since I will be
seperating my main storage off of my computer to this NAS I would like
to better secure my network. The 1701HG just does not cut it. I need
the WPN824 to be the DHCP, Firewall, and basically the master Router on
the network.

So I moved the WPN824 downstairs to the basement with the 1701HG. I
set the 1701HG to not DHCP. I then plugged in the WPN824 via
Internet/WAN/Uplink port to the 1701HG via LAN port 1. The netgear
software did it's thing in detecting the connection, asked for
user/pass, and completed successfully. Now I have a 1701HG with no
DHCP, a static IP for itself, and a connection to the internet being
shared with the Netgear WPN824. Plugged in my laptop to the WPN824 and
connects fine. The problem is that the rest of the household
connections do not work when plugged in to the other LAN ports on the
Netgear.

The final trouble is also in my room I am trying to use a old Linksys
Router as a switch. BEFW11S4. I have an xbox, desktop, and laptop in
my room and need to split the jack coming in. So I try to set the
router with No DHCP, static IP, and plug the jack from the wall into
the LAN port 4. The other devices in my room also connected to the LAN
ports 1-3. No luck. Any geniuses' who could potentially help me with
this situation? I think the main problem is actually the connection
between the Netgear and the wall jacks. I figure if I can plug my
laptop directly in and work, why can't I plug my laptop on through a
wall jack and still work? And if I can get that far, then I just need
to figure out how to configure the router to cooperate with the other
router. Thanks!
 
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ShawnMix

Orion, thanks much for the attempt in helping. I just want to post up
the answer to all my problems:

BAD CABLING

After all the trouble and crazy work I went through, I have
successfully got my 2Wire, Netgear, and Linksys playing nicely.
Apparently the crimping job my dad did in the basement wasn't up to
par. Odd that one router worked with the cable and another didn't, but
whatever it works. After hooking my laptop up in another room that
wasn't used, I found that it communicated fine. So on this whim I setup
the 2Wire and Netgear and got it all working fine. This led me to
attempt re-crimping.

After re-crimping the parents line, it worked beautifully. So I then
went on to re-crimp my computer line as well. After doing this the
Netgear showed the connectivity in my room. Then finished by going to
my room and setting the Linksys to a LAN IP of 192.168.1.2 so as not to
conflict with the IP of the Netgear on 192.168.1.1. This allows me to
also modify the settings in the Linksys as well as Netgear in case I
feel the need for dual firewall ...

As for the configuration of everything, I followed the directions in
the FAQ on 2Wire Hardware for making it into a bridge only. This
basically set the modem to receive the connection information and look
at a connected device to authenticate the PPPoE login details.
Connected the LAN port #1 of 2Wire to the WAN port of the Netgear.
Pinged the Netgear on 192.168.1.1 and ran the setup. It recognized the
connection type and all for me. IF you have to manually configure, set
connection type to PPPoE. Enter user/pass details. Make sure DHCP is
enabled. Then you should be good to go.

If you add another router to the mix, just make sure to disable the
DHCP and ensure you connect to a LAN port not the WAN port. Not sure if
it will work with the Uplink port , but I don't feel like finding out
now that I have struggled with no internet in my room for like 3 days.
LoL.

If anyone does know I am wondering if there is a way I can set a static
route in my Netgear that will be able to see the 2Wire. As it says in
the 2Wire and the FAQ, you have to be physically connected. I am just
wondering if there is a way to map a route to the DSL 2Wire since the
Netgear is physically attached. Any ideas? And I hope the rest of this
helps somebody else figure out how to set their system up!


no the Netgear is fine. it works fine when I have it connected in my
room to the DSL modem. But whenever I unplug it and try to plug the
rest of the network in without the DSL, they all go dead. I'm so lost.

Sounds like the Netgear has failed. If any computer plugged into it says
there is no network connection then it's not working correctly.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Now I have not tried utilizing a crossover cable between the Netgear
Router and the 2Wire Gateway, but I am having a more serious problem
now. I realized today after another go at it that when I disconnect
all the computers from the 2Wire and plus them into the Netgear
instead, all the computers read that a cable is unplugged. This might
be part of the issue. Any ideas?

Richard G. Harper wrote:
The first thing you probably need is a crossover cable - not a straight
network cable - to make the connection from the wall jack to the second
router. Router (or switch or hub) to PC uses a straight cable, PC to PC
or
router to router needs a crossover cable unless the router has an uplink
port to make the connection to.

The second thing you need is to turn off all routing features on the
Linksys
router, otherwise you will have divided your network into two physical
networks that do not have full connectivity between them. Either the
router
manual or Linksys web site should have the details you need for that.

--
Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] (e-mail address removed)
* NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/
* PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups
* The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/
* HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


Ok I have a bit of a complicated situation and have gotten so
frustrated trying to get it to work properly. I have googled all over
and on all different variations of the topic with no real help. So
here it goes:

I currently have DSL service with SBC Yahoo DSL. The modem that they
provided is a 2Wire Gateway. The model of this gateway is a 1701HG
Gateway. The connection is obviously PPPoE. This unit is set by
default to have DHCP enabled as well.

The house is pre-wired for a network. So there are 5 rooms with jacks.
These 5 jacks have the cables in the basement by the 1701HG. So I
have 4 out of 5 of connections active since the 1701HG only has 4
ports.

The next piece on the network is a Netgear RangeMax Wireless Router
WPN824. This router is in my room (1 of the 4 connections from the LAN
ports on the 1701HG). The cable to the WPN824 is plugged into port 4
and my xbox, desktop, and laptop are connected to ports 1-3. The
Internet/WAN/Uplink port is empty. If I manually set the router to
DHCP Off and that my connection does not require username and pass and
to receive everything from ISP the network works. I can see everyone
on the network, I can access internet on all computers.

The problem comes from the new design I am looking to create in the
household. I am looking to create a Linux NAS box that will serve up
some storage and also be a print server as well. Since I will be
seperating my main storage off of my computer to this NAS I would like
to better secure my network. The 1701HG just does not cut it. I need
the WPN824 to be the DHCP, Firewall, and basically the master Router on
the network.

So I moved the WPN824 downstairs to the basement with the 1701HG. I
set the 1701HG to not DHCP. I then plugged in the WPN824 via
Internet/WAN/Uplink port to the 1701HG via LAN port 1. The netgear
software did it's thing in detecting the connection, asked for
user/pass, and completed successfully. Now I have a 1701HG with no
DHCP, a static IP for itself, and a connection to the internet being
shared with the Netgear WPN824. Plugged in my laptop to the WPN824 and
connects fine. The problem is that the rest of the household
connections do not work when plugged in to the other LAN ports on the
Netgear.

The final trouble is also in my room I am trying to use a old Linksys
Router as a switch. BEFW11S4. I have an xbox, desktop, and laptop in
my room and need to split the jack coming in. So I try to set the
router with No DHCP, static IP, and plug the jack from the wall into
the LAN port 4. The other devices in my room also connected to the LAN
ports 1-3. No luck. Any geniuses' who could potentially help me with
this situation? I think the main problem is actually the connection
between the Netgear and the wall jacks. I figure if I can plug my
laptop directly in and work, why can't I plug my laptop on through a
wall jack and still work? And if I can get that far, then I just need
to figure out how to configure the router to cooperate with the other
router. Thanks!
 
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