Setting up a network using XP and Vista

C

CD

I have linked 2 PC's using network cables via a modem. One PC (Main) is
running Vista Home Premium, the other (Client) XP Home Edition.

I have followed the instructions in the XP Network Set Up Wizard. The work
group name that XP wants is "MS Home". To make it consistent with Vista I
have changed this to "Workgroup". When XP is using "Workgroup" it can see
the Vista machine and vice versa so all is well.

But when I re-start the XP machine the workgroup name reverts to "MS Home"
so the Vista machine cannot see the XP machine unless I change it back.

How can I change the XP machine work group name to "Workgroup" and make it
stick?
 
M

Malke

CD said:
I have linked 2 PC's using network cables via a modem. One PC (Main) is
running Vista Home Premium, the other (Client) XP Home Edition.

I have followed the instructions in the XP Network Set Up Wizard. The work
group name that XP wants is "MS Home". To make it consistent with Vista I
have changed this to "Workgroup". When XP is using "Workgroup" it can see
the Vista machine and vice versa so all is well.

But when I re-start the XP machine the workgroup name reverts to "MS Home"
so the Vista machine cannot see the XP machine unless I change it back.

How can I change the XP machine work group name to "Workgroup" and make it
stick?

You have some third-party security program running that is preventing you
from making system changes. Examples are McAfee, Norton, Spybot Search &
Destroy, Ad-aware, etc. However, the different workgroup names are not what
is preventing your computers from seeing each other.

You say you have used "network cables via a modem". Do you have a router in
that mix? Is the modem a combination modem/router? Or do you have one
computer connected directly to the other computer, which is connected
directly to the one-port modem?

If the latter, get a router. It will solve a lot of issues.

In the meantime, here is general network setup information in case you need
it:

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by
1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus/security program with its own firewall
component, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure
the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254.
Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Refer to any third party
security program's Help or user forums for how to properly configure its
firewall. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. In Vista, turn Password Protected Sharing ON. Create matching user
accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into
the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user
account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match
on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE
ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one
particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this:

XP - Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Vista - Start Orb>Search box>type: netplwiz [enter]
Click on Continue (or supply an administrator's password) when prompted by
UAC

Uncheck the option "Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer". Select a user account to automatically log on by clicking on the
desired account to highlight it and then hit OK. Enter the correct password
for that user account (if there is one) when prompted. Leave it blank if
there is no password (null).

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple
File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder.
See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.

Malke
 
C

CD

Dear Malke,

I am very grateful for the depth and thoroughness of your reply.

I am using a Netgear Wireless G Router to link the 2 PC's. The Vista PC has
a wireless card and a cable connecting it directly to one of the ports on the
router. The XP machine does not have any wireless links, it is simply cable
linked to the router but uses this to connect to the internet.

Does this make a diference?

Again, I am very grateful for the time yu have spent on this useful answer.

Best Regards,

CD

Malke said:
CD said:
I have linked 2 PC's using network cables via a modem. One PC (Main) is
running Vista Home Premium, the other (Client) XP Home Edition.

I have followed the instructions in the XP Network Set Up Wizard. The work
group name that XP wants is "MS Home". To make it consistent with Vista I
have changed this to "Workgroup". When XP is using "Workgroup" it can see
the Vista machine and vice versa so all is well.

But when I re-start the XP machine the workgroup name reverts to "MS Home"
so the Vista machine cannot see the XP machine unless I change it back.

How can I change the XP machine work group name to "Workgroup" and make it
stick?

You have some third-party security program running that is preventing you
from making system changes. Examples are McAfee, Norton, Spybot Search &
Destroy, Ad-aware, etc. However, the different workgroup names are not what
is preventing your computers from seeing each other.

You say you have used "network cables via a modem". Do you have a router in
that mix? Is the modem a combination modem/router? Or do you have one
computer connected directly to the other computer, which is connected
directly to the one-port modem?

If the latter, get a router. It will solve a lot of issues.

In the meantime, here is general network setup information in case you need
it:

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by
1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus/security program with its own firewall
component, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure
the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254.
Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Refer to any third party
security program's Help or user forums for how to properly configure its
firewall. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. In Vista, turn Password Protected Sharing ON. Create matching user
accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into
the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user
account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match
on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE
ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one
particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this:

XP - Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Vista - Start Orb>Search box>type: netplwiz [enter]
Click on Continue (or supply an administrator's password) when prompted by
UAC

Uncheck the option "Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer". Select a user account to automatically log on by clicking on the
desired account to highlight it and then hit OK. Enter the correct password
for that user account (if there is one) when prompted. Leave it blank if
there is no password (null).

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple
File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder.
See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

.
 
C

CD

Dear Malke,

I have worked through both your and the MS instructions. No luck.

In XP I have gone to Network Set Up Wizard the default Workgroup is MSHOME.
I have changed this to WORKGROUP but it resets to MSHOME every time

In XP Set Up Wizard,

On page "Do you want to use..." I have selected "Yes..." Next page (NP)
Comp Descri "CAREN"
Name "CAREN"

Current comp name is CAREN NP

On "Name your network" page Workgroup name is MSHOME changed by me to
WORKGROUP. NP

"File & printer sharing" page
Selected "Turn on File & Printer sharing" NP

"Ready to apply" page
Connect via ICS... Unknown Internet Connection (IE 8 works fine)
Network settings Comp Descr CAREN
Name CAREN NP

Icon moves across screen NP

Select "Just finish the wizard"

Finish.

Restart computer

Go back to Wizard; Workgroup name has reverted to MSHOME so the Vista PC
can't see it.

How do I set it permanently to WORKGROUP?

CD



CD said:
Dear Malke,

I am very grateful for the depth and thoroughness of your reply.

I am using a Netgear Wireless G Router to link the 2 PC's. The Vista PC has
a wireless card and a cable connecting it directly to one of the ports on the
router. The XP machine does not have any wireless links, it is simply cable
linked to the router but uses this to connect to the internet.

Does this make a diference?

Again, I am very grateful for the time yu have spent on this useful answer.

Best Regards,

CD

Malke said:
CD said:
I have linked 2 PC's using network cables via a modem. One PC (Main) is
running Vista Home Premium, the other (Client) XP Home Edition.

I have followed the instructions in the XP Network Set Up Wizard. The work
group name that XP wants is "MS Home". To make it consistent with Vista I
have changed this to "Workgroup". When XP is using "Workgroup" it can see
the Vista machine and vice versa so all is well.

But when I re-start the XP machine the workgroup name reverts to "MS Home"
so the Vista machine cannot see the XP machine unless I change it back.

How can I change the XP machine work group name to "Workgroup" and make it
stick?

You have some third-party security program running that is preventing you
from making system changes. Examples are McAfee, Norton, Spybot Search &
Destroy, Ad-aware, etc. However, the different workgroup names are not what
is preventing your computers from seeing each other.

You say you have used "network cables via a modem". Do you have a router in
that mix? Is the modem a combination modem/router? Or do you have one
computer connected directly to the other computer, which is connected
directly to the one-port modem?

If the latter, get a router. It will solve a lot of issues.

In the meantime, here is general network setup information in case you need
it:

Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer
Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files
and folders:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx

For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see
caveat in Item A below).

Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by
1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful
firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the
built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having
identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying
to create shares where the operating system does not permit it.

A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN)
traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer
Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on
XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this
will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party
firewall or have an antivirus/security program with its own firewall
component, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure
the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254.
Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Refer to any third party
security program's Help or user forums for how to properly configure its
firewall. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS;
CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY.

B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This
is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab.

C. In Vista, turn Password Protected Sharing ON. Create matching user
accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into
the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user
account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match
on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE
ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one
particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this:

XP - Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) -
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Vista - Start Orb>Search box>type: netplwiz [enter]
Click on Continue (or supply an administrator's password) when prompted by
UAC

Uncheck the option "Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer". Select a user account to automatically log on by clicking on the
desired account to highlight it and then hit OK. Enter the correct password
for that user account (if there is one) when prompted. Leave it blank if
there is no password (null).

D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple
File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab).

E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home
directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those
directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder.
See the first link above for details about Vista sharing.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

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