security@home

[William]

:

"Jody" wrote

This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
question(pop-upblocker OK) Perhaps I should just stop reading
and read the
rules. But I need to ask this because Microsoft never answered
me after
multiple attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum
that is
Microsoft related.
I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting
updates
for
Office and other administrative topics? I have since changed my
setting
to
off for Updates but I check Windows Update every other day. I
am one of
those "newbies". trying to find answers to my own questions but
after going
from one site to another, I just quit. I have all the "Dummy"
books and I
tried to find out what NFTS meant and it isn't in any glossery I
was checking
and I wrote this as an example to what I have been going thru to
find the
info I need. I get quite frustrated and just quit. Any
suggestions would
be
helpful. I came here because I, obviously, have Windows
Defender and this
forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out
answers but
unfortunately I will end this reply more confused. By the way I
went to
argos.co and is there something I missed? I am now going to
Richard's other
site he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info. And
yes I would
like to know what a frigging script is and what it does but
trying to find
the answer on Microsoft.com drove me crazy-er. I have been to
other forums
so I am not a complete novice and now I running around in
circles and driving
anyone who might read this crazy!
Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find
answers to
questions.
Jody


Your post is confusing, but I take it your question is: "why I am
getting updates for
Office and other administrative topics?"

Is Office installed?
What other administrative topics?

Updates for Windows Defender signatures are distributed through
Windows Updates.

If you have chosen Microsoft Updates on the Windows Updates sites
you will
get updates for Microsoft Office programs you have installed plus,
perhaps,
other Microsoft programs.

I guess your long list of newsgroups is due to replying to RJK's
post.

If you have trouble finding replies there's nothing we can do
about it as long as you use that terrible Web interface instead of
Outlook Express. Especially since you do not include an email
address and apparently don't check the Web interface' box to be
notified of replies to your post.

I just found this reply in my e-mail and thought I had followed
thru, but obviously not,sorry. I did not mean to be
irresponsible. This whole thread was so confusing, I think I just
couldn't find a way to reply. Why does the whole previous post
have to be included in a reply to my question,? thereby finding
any sort of answer very difficult. I would read and re-read each
post thinking it may have an answer, albeit however badly the
question was asked. I understood about the number of
administrative /office etc I have installed which would dictate
whether to go to Windows or Microsoft updates. Well, I started
without any but when it was set to automatic, it downloaded and
installed 36 updates before I had a chance to change the setting,
but I still assumed it was on Windows. I now have Microsoft ++CC
whatever that is on my programs along with NetFramework and all of
its updates. It is too much trouble to go thru each update and
find the guilty ones and uninstall them, so
not only did I give up, I went to Firefox and never looked back. I
still check every couple of weeks and install the critical ones. I
know this is more than you wanted to know, but I bet I am no the
only one out there who does not use IE anymore.
I still don't understand your reference to the "interface" I was
using and
something about Outlook Express. What is that all about? And just
to be sure I went to my preferences page and made sure my e-mail
address was there
and that I could be contacted, And why would I e-mail you and not
go thru
the forum? It was those inferences I did not understand nor like
and is the
reason I haven't been back. But I didn't want to just quit coming
here, you
guys just completely and (I know this is easy to do!) going in
circles. I received notification, obviously, of replies, so what
are you talking about?
Thanks for the answers and help that I did get - my 'ol brain is
suffering with CSR.
Jody

Itum's hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like
a stream of consciousness mind dump. I was not part of the original
thread, but I have tried to read and understand both your original
post and your reply. Neither one makes much sense.

It is normal procedure to quote at least a part, if not all, of the
message to which one replies. This is actually a newsgroup, not a
forum. Many people use a newsreader to access it and only download
the most recent messages so the need to quote the previous message is
imperative to keep an understanding of the thread.

As to your not understanding the reference to the interface and
outlook express, you are accessing this newsgroup using the web
access or interface. That interface is just plain lousy. As I stated
before this actually is Usenet newsgroup. You would be much better
off using a newsreader to access it. XP comes with Outlook Express
which can be set up for newsgroup access.

Here is a link with info on how to setup Outlook Express for
newsgroup access:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

As to your problem with updates, I don't know what you were doing,
but updates don't just automatically install themselves. You have to
tell them to install. So you did something. Confusion seems to be
rampant in your computing existence. Good luck to you.

Oh, and here are some links with some good info on how to make a good
newsgroup post. To start with, composing the message with good
grammar, spelling, punctuation and capitalization helps loads. Break
up paragraphs - no more than 5 or 6 lines maximum. One thought per
paragraph. Include relevant details, leave out extraneous ramblings.
One issue per post.

Making Good Newsgroup Posts




--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

I appreciate the links. I did not know anything about
Newsgroups,nor the differences in Outlook Express. I have never
needed it and I don't need it now. You jump on my case and start
talking about my misuse of grammar in such a rude way without giving
me the opportunity to defend myself by saying I had no idea of the
difference. Had you not reprimanded me about my grammar, which, sir
was done in such a way that your ignorance showed with this whole
paragraph -

" hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like a
stream

of consciousness mind dump. I was not part of the original thread,
but I have tried to read and understand both your original post and
your reply. Neither one makes much sense." I wasn't I am getting so
angry I am having to retype almose every word., I wasn't in the
original thread either but if this is how a person is treated in a
newswhatever, I want no part. I have to clear this up and oh my it
is not in the correct paragraph. I had my updates set to automatic
and when Dell didn't give me the time to change it , before I went on
line THAT is how I received the updates, which if the only way to
receive "automatic updates" which does take the users intervention.
my my my how stupid did you think i recieved the I am quitting here.
All I wanted was help not a course in grammar nor your lesson in
psych(medical field) which is what I do. So don't give someone new
that ends up making them feel like the POS that you made me feel.

Jody
THE END GO HURT SOMEONE ELSE OH DON'T E-MAIL ME AS YOU ORDERED ME NOT
TO DO TO YOU WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY but don't waste my time just
please be someone who helps a new person all you did was hurt me

OK. I don't know if you're still there, but seriously, it's not that
important. People get flamed in these NGs all the time, I myself
included (that's why there's something called a killfile, right Gotchalks
;-) ). Anyway, just try to understand that a lot of these newsgroups
aren't moderated. There is no central server, so there isn't really a
way to ban someone, at least not without them finding another way in
anyway, so free speech runs ramped here, and the knife of free speech
cuts both ways. Anyway, I hope you find whatever help you're looking
for, but seriously, try not to let little pixilated images that form
words from someone you've never met in real life upset or anger you, or
you'll just waste precious time and energy trying to recover/retaliate.

Regards,

Will

 

[Rock]

:

"Jody" wrote

This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
question(pop-upblocker OK) Perhaps I should just stop reading and
read
the
rules. But I need to ask this because Microsoft never answered me
after
multiple attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum
that
is
Microsoft related.
I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting
updates
for
Office and other administrative topics? I have since changed my
setting
to
off for Updates but I check Windows Update every other day. I am
one
of
those "newbies". trying to find answers to my own questions but
after
going
from one site to another, I just quit. I have all the "Dummy" books
and I
tried to find out what NFTS meant and it isn't in any glossery I was
checking
and I wrote this as an example to what I have been going thru to
find
the
info I need. I get quite frustrated and just quit. Any suggestions
would
be
helpful. I came here because I, obviously, have Windows Defender
and
this
forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out answers
but
unfortunately I will end this reply more confused. By the way I
went
to
argos.co and is there something I missed? I am now going to
Richard's
other
site he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info. And yes
I
would
like to know what a frigging script is and what it does but trying
to
find
the answer on Microsoft.com drove me crazy-er. I have been to other
forums
so I am not a complete novice and now I running around in circles
and
driving
anyone who might read this crazy!
Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find
answers
to
questions.
Jody


Your post is confusing, but I take it your question is: "why I am
getting
updates for
Office and other administrative topics?"

Is Office installed?
What other administrative topics?

Updates for Windows Defender signatures are distributed through
Windows
Updates.

If you have chosen Microsoft Updates on the Windows Updates sites you
will
get updates for Microsoft Office programs you have installed plus,
perhaps,
other Microsoft programs.

I guess your long list of newsgroups is due to replying to RJK's post.

If you have trouble finding replies there's nothing we can do about it
as
long as you use that terrible Web interface instead of Outlook
Express.
Especially since you do not include an email address and apparently
don't
check the Web interface' box to be notified of replies to your post.

I just found this reply in my e-mail and thought I had followed thru,
but
obviously not,sorry. I did not mean to be irresponsible. This whole
thread was so confusing, I think I just couldn't find a way to reply.
Why does the whole previous post have to be included in a reply to my
question,? thereby finding any sort of answer very difficult. I
would
read and re-read each post thinking it may have an answer, albeit
however
badly the question was asked. I understood about the number of
administrative /office etc I have installed which would dictate
whether
to go to Windows or Microsoft updates. Well, I started without any
but
when it was set to automatic, it downloaded and installed 36 updates
before I had a chance to change the setting, but I still assumed it
was
on Windows. I now have Microsoft ++CC whatever that is on my programs
along with NetFramework and all of its updates. It is too much
trouble
to go thru each update and find the guilty ones and uninstall them, so
not only did I give up, I went to Firefox and never looked back. I
still
check every couple of weeks and install the critical ones. I know this
is
more than you wanted to know, but I bet I am no the only one out there
who
does not use IE anymore.
I still don't understand your reference to the "interface" I was using
and
something about Outlook Express. What is that all about? And just to
be
sure I went to my preferences page and made sure my e-mail address was
there
and that I could be contacted, And why would I e-mail you and not go
thru
the forum? It was those inferences I did not understand nor like and
is
the
reason I haven't been back. But I didn't want to just quit coming
here,
you
guys just completely and (I know this is easy to do!) going in circles.
I received notification, obviously, of replies, so what are you talking
about?
Thanks for the answers and help that I did get - my 'ol brain is
suffering
with CSR.
Jody

Itum's hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like a
stream
of consciousness mind dump. I was not part of the original thread, but I
have tried to read and understand both your original post and your reply.
Neither one makes much sense.

It is normal procedure to quote at least a part, if not all, of the
message
to which one replies. This is actually a newsgroup, not a forum. Many
people use a newsreader to access it and only download the most recent
messages so the need to quote the previous message is imperative to keep
an
understanding of the thread.

As to your not understanding the reference to the interface and outlook
express, you are accessing this newsgroup using the web access or
interface.
That interface is just plain lousy. As I stated before this actually is
Usenet newsgroup. You would be much better off using a newsreader to
access
it. XP comes with Outlook Express which can be set up for newsgroup
access.

Here is a link with info on how to setup Outlook Express for newsgroup
access:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

As to your problem with updates, I don't know what you were doing, but
updates don't just automatically install themselves. You have to tell
them
to install. So you did something. Confusion seems to be rampant in your
computing existence. Good luck to you.

Oh, and here are some links with some good info on how to make a good
newsgroup post. To start with, composing the message with good grammar,
spelling, punctuation and capitalization helps loads. Break up
paragraphs -
no more than 5 or 6 lines maximum. One thought per paragraph. Include
relevant details, leave out extraneous ramblings. One issue per post.

Making Good Newsgroup Posts




--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

I appreciate the links. I did not know anything about Newsgroups,nor
the differences in Outlook Express. I have never needed it and I don't
need it now. You jump on my case and start talking about my misuse of
grammar in such a rude way without giving me the opportunity to defend
myself by saying I had no idea of the difference. Had you not
reprimanded me about my grammar, which, sir was done in such a way that
your ignorance showed with this whole paragraph -

" hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like a stream

of consciousness mind dump. I was not part of the original thread, but I
have tried to read and understand both your original post and your reply.
Neither one makes much sense." I wasn't I am getting so angry I am
having to retype almose every word., I wasn't in the original thread
either but if this is how a person is treated in a newswhatever, I want
no part. I have to clear this up and oh my it is not in the correct
paragraph. I had my updates set to automatic and when Dell didn't give
me the time to change it , before I went on line THAT is how I received
the updates, which if the only way to receive "automatic updates" which
does take the users intervention. my my my how stupid did you think i
recieved the I am quitting here. All I wanted was help not a course in
grammar nor your lesson in psych(medical field) which is what I do. So
don't give someone new that ends up making them feel like the POS that
you made me feel.

Jody
THE END GO HURT SOMEONE ELSE OH DON'T E-MAIL ME AS YOU ORDERED ME NOT TO
DO
TO YOU WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY but don't waste my time just please be
someone who helps a new person all you did was hurt me

I didn't email you in the first place nor did I order you to do or not do
anything. Nor, as I read the thread, did anyone else. Maybe you need to
take a step back, read what you wrote, and read the reply from Frank again.

From my perspective if you ask it here it get's answered here. I don't do
email support.

I wish you good luck with your problems, computer and otherwise.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
question (pop-up blocker, OK?!)

Perhaps I should just stop reading and read the rules. But I need
to ask this because Microsoft never answered me after multiple
attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum that is
Microsoft related.

I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting
updates for Office and other administrative topics?

I have since changed my setting to off for Updates but I check
Windows Update every other day.

I am one of those "newbies" trying to find answers to my own
questions but after going from one site to another, I just quit. I have
all the "Dummy" books and I tried to find out what NTFS meant and
it isn't in any glossary I was checking and I wrote this as an example
to what I have been going thru to find the info I need. I get quite
frustrated and just quit.

Any suggestions would be helpful.

I came here because I, obviously, have Windows Defender and
this forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out
answers but unfortunately I will end this reply more confused.

By the way I went to argos.co and is there something I missed?

I am now going to Richard's other site he mentioned and maybe
I will find some relevant info. And yes I would like to know what
a frigging script is and what it does but trying to find the answer
on Microsoft.com drove me crazier.

I have been to other forums so I am not a complete novice and now I
running around in circles and driving anyone who might read this
crazy!

Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find
answers to questions.

Wow... Okay. I have tried to clean up what you wrote and make it
semi-coherent above. So I have a few questions for you concerning what you
have posted and a few suggestions for learning...

You are obviously (given your first statement) trying to utilize the
newsgroups through the web interface. As anyone who frequents these groups
will tell you, that is one of the worst ways to access this newsgroup. A
better (and available to you - as you seem to be running Windows XP) way
would be to use Outlook Express as your 'newsreader'. You can find
instructions for this here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

Now that we have hopefully gotten you off that horrid web page interface for
these groups, things might become easier for you.

You asked why you are getting updates for Office and Windows XP (You have
Windows XP Home with SP2...) That's a little bit of a broad question
leaving out way too many details. Also, I can see, by reading the rest of
your message, where you might have left out a word and meant to ask 'Why am
I *not* getting updates'... But I might be jumping too much there. Let's go
with the '... why I am getting updates for Office and other administrative
topics? ...' question as written.

You are getting updates because you are either visiting
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and scanning for them and installing
them or you have enabled automatic updates. Microsoft decided they would
push all critical updates for their main products (Windows, Office, etc) in
this way. That way it is like 'one-stop-shopping' for all of your Microsoft
products. Getting updates is *not* a bad thing. Also you mention you have
set your 'automatic updates' to off and you check 'every other day' for
updates... That's a bit extreme... Microsoft releases new updates on a
schedule... The second Tuesday of every month. So if you wait until the day
after that and visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and scan for
updates - you just might find something. That would be January 9, 2007 this
time...

I corrected your spelling above on NTFS. NFTS I do not believe has anything
to do with Windows XP or Microsoft products and may not even be a valid
acronym... NTFS on the other hand stands for 'NT File System' and you can
read some basic information on it here:
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/N/NTFS.html

Now you mentioned you came here 'obviously' because you had Windows
Defender. I hate to be the one to tell you this - but that would be less
than obvious to anyone and to be truthful - according to the support
reference on Microsoft's website - this is NOT the newsgroup for Windows
Defender. In fact - it specifically states that. See here:

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspxThe proper newsgroups for Windows Defender are listed as these:Windows Defender newsgroups--------------------------------------------. Announcements (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...rosoft.private.security.spyware.announcements ). General questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.general ). Installation questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.install ). Application compatibility questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...=microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat ). Networking questions (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...microsoft.private.security.spyware.networking ). Definition updates (http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...microsoft.private.security.spyware.signatures )And at the very bottom, it says this (about this particular newsgroup -microsoft.public.security.homeusers):"For other security questions not related to Windows Defender like using afirewall, antivirus software, or security update questions, please visit theSecurity for Home Computer Users newsgroup."Which - to me anyway - pretty much says that you should post your WindowsDefender questions in one of the groups above, but not themicrosoft.public.security.homeusers, which is for 'other security questionsnot related to Windows Defender'...You also may want to look carefully and see this message is beingcross-posted (posted to multiple groups at one time) to the following othernewsgroups:microsoft.public.security.virus, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.outlookexpress.generalYes - you can get answers to questions on this forum - but you must taketime, take a deep breath, swallow a bit of your pride if necessary and posta complete and intelligible question. It's much like asking a questionanywhere else, except you have to remember that the only one that actuallycan SEE the issue first-hand is you and it is up to you to describe it indetail to us.You also mentioned visiting 'argos.co' and I have NO CLUE as to why youwould ever go there. Now I had to assume that was one of two sites...Either http://www.argos.com (and you did not type the 'm' in your haste) orhttp://www.argos.co.uk (and you neglected to type the .uk for whateverreason...) Neither one makes sense as to something you would visit, as theonly mention of it in this newsgroup I find is from AJR (Richard) where hestates, '... There is a fault in its' IE6 in the www.argos.co.uk web sitecauses that browser to bomb-out! ...' <-- and I cannot fathom what wouldlead you to desire to visit the page in question from that statement orthose arising from it. Then you state you are going to '... Richard's othersite he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info ...' <-- whichmakes me wonder even more why you would consider that a reference site fromwhat Richard said in his post. It actually makes me feel you are notreading anything, but skimming and looking for links. You have to read andcomprehend the stuff around those links too - in most cases. *smile* Bythe way, here is that thread in its entirety, if you wish to review and/orexplain where you thought it said you should visit that site for anyreason...http://groups.google.com/group/micr.../d38f008ebcb46546?tvc=2&q=#d38f008ebcb46546In any case - getting past that confusion for the moment we will continuewith your post... You say - last thing above - that you '... really justneed some direction on how to find answers to questions ...' Okay - I thinkthat is possible. First thing is to know what you are looking for. Knowwhat the trouble is and the stuff that surrounds that trouble. If youcannot see images on web pages, know that you cannot see those images usingInternet Explorer 6.0 on a Windows XP Home system with SP2 installed and ifthe images are just not there or replaced with something like a box with ared x in the center... Once you know that (and that should all be obvious -as it is all stuff sitting in front of you) you should search for theanswer. One of the best ways I know is utilizing google. Search using Google! http://www.google.com/ (How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )So now you visit http://www.google.com/ and in the search field you mighttype in:Internet Explorer images shown as box with red xAnd search. There will be some hits that do not fit your case - but readthrough them... One hit that came up was:http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ietopten.mspxWhich specifically mentions "Red x instead of pictures" and gives solutionsto such a dilemma. If you hadn't gotten a hit, you would need to rethinkthe way you phrased your search, perhaps put quotes around certain things tomake them one unit ("Internet Explorer" for example) and so on...You can also search these newsgroups for questions that have already beenasked and quite possibly answered using another google tool: google groups.http://groups.google.com/Although I always use the advanced version:http://groups.google.com/advanced_searchSame principle - more options.That pretty much clears out this post of yours...If you have more questions or wish to calrify some things - come back andrespond to this message!--Shenan Stanley MS-MVP--How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

 

[Shenan Stanley]

Your post is confusing, but I take it your question is: "why I am
getting updates for Office and other administrative topics?"

Is Office installed?
What other administrative topics?

Updates for Windows Defender signatures are distributed through
Windows Updates.

If you have chosen Microsoft Updates on the Windows Updates sites
you will get updates for Microsoft Office programs you have installed
plus, perhaps, other Microsoft programs.

I guess your long list of newsgroups is due to replying to RJK's
post.

If you have trouble finding replies there's nothing we can do
about it as long as you use that terrible Web interface instead of
Outlook Express. Especially since you do not include an email
address and apparently don't check the Web interface' box to be
notified of replies to your post.

I just found this reply in my e-mail and thought I had followed
thru, but obviously not,sorry. I did not mean to be
irresponsible. This whole thread was so confusing, I think I just
couldn't find a way to reply. Why does the whole previous post
have to be included in a reply to my question? thereby finding
any sort of answer very difficult.

I would read and re-read each post thinking it may have an
answer, albeit however badly the question was asked. I
understood about the number of administrative /office etc
I have installed which would dictate whether to go to Windows
or Microsoft updates. Well, I started without any but when it
was set to automatic, it downloaded and installed 36 updates
before I had a chance to change the setting, but I still assumed
it was on Windows.

I now have Microsoft ++CC whatever that is on my programs
along with NetFramework and all of its updates. It is too
much trouble to go thru each update and find the guilty ones
and uninstall them, so not only did I give up, I went to Firefox
and never looked back. I still check every couple of weeks
and install the critical ones. I know this is more than you
wanted to know, but I bet I am no the only one out there who
does not use IE anymore. I still don't understand your reference
to the "interface" I was using and something about Outlook
Express. What is that all about?

And just to be sure I went to my preferences page and made sure
my e-mail address was there and that I could be contacted, And
why would I e-mail you and not go thru the forum? It was those
inferences I did not understand nor like and is the reason I haven't
been back. But I didn't want to just quit coming here, you guys
just completely and (I know this is easy to do!) going in circles.

I received notification, obviously, of replies, so what are you
talking about?

Thanks for the answers and help that I did get - my 'ol brain is
suffering with CSR.

Jody,

Since I attempted to answer your previous post in this thread and
straightened out the jumbling of your typing so that it became a little
easier to digest - I figured I would do the same with this reply of yours as
well.

Frank seemed to ask some reasonable questions, based off your initial
posting.

The entire post does *not* have to be included in the reply - it does -
however, help those who are just coming into the conversation see where it
has progressed. It is also customary to cut out parts that are not
essential. I left out the inital post that Frank responded to to shorten
the whole thing - but I will reference the entire thread here, in case there
is a need to reflect:

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...2663956d6b4/f57bcad9a6e96d75#f57bcad9a6e96d75

Now - with that out of the way - let's dive into your response to Frank (and
others?)

It downloaded and installed 36 updates... Okay - I can believe that - there
are over 60 past SP2 now. What's the problem? You mention - in passing -
references to something... But you do not detail anything. I am assuming -
possibly - you either had a problem on your system with a particular update
OR you got Internet Explorer 7.0 installed and things are a little weird for
you? Come back - let us know.

The updates you mention are not harmful and most likely - will be needed by
something you will utilize now or in the future. Things get updated - to
help protect you and your stuff and push out the latest enhancements.
That's the way this works.

I am unsure what using Firefox has to do with any of this unless the trouble
is that you have Internet Explorer 7.0 now and that is too much of a change
for you?

The references to using the Web Interface are due to the fact that you are
actually using Internet Explorer or Firefox to access these newsgroups.
That web interface is the worst way possible to access these groups. You
can use Outlook Express and you will have an easier time organizaing and
responding on these newsgroups. I gave this to you in my other response and
I will repeat it now:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

That should get you setup using Outlook Express to read/post/reply on these
newsgroups...

I have no idea what you mean by, '... my 'ol brain is suffering with CSR
....' - as the only reference I could find had to do with the Center for
Scientific Review (CSR) - so you may need to expand on that acronym a bit
for us. =)

That's all I can see to really respond to here - I hope it helps!

 

[Shenan Stanley]

<snipped>
See:

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...2663956d6b4/f57bcad9a6e96d75#f57bcad9a6e96d75

for the entire thread...

It's hard to understand your reply. You are rambling, almost like
a stream of consciousness mind dump. I was not part of the
original thread, but I have tried to read and understand both your
original post and your reply. Neither one makes much sense.

It is normal procedure to quote at least a part, if not all, of the
message to which one replies. This is actually a newsgroup, not a
forum. Many people use a newsreader to access it and only download
the most recent messages so the need to quote the previous message
is imperative to keep an understanding of the thread.

As to your not understanding the reference to the interface and
outlook express, you are accessing this newsgroup using the web
access or interface. That interface is just plain lousy. As I
stated before this actually is Usenet newsgroup. You would be much
better off using a newsreader to access it. XP comes with Outlook
Express which can be set up for newsgroup access.

Here is a link with info on how to setup Outlook Express for
newsgroup access:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

As to your problem with updates, I don't know what you were doing,
but updates don't just automatically install themselves. You have
to tell them to install. So you did something. Confusion seems to
be rampant in your computing existence. Good luck to you.

Oh, and here are some links with some good info on how to make a
good newsgroup post. To start with, composing the message with
good grammar, spelling, punctuation and capitalization helps loads.
Break up paragraphs - no more than 5 or 6 lines maximum. One
thought per paragraph. Include relevant details, leave out
extraneous ramblings. One issue per post.

Making Good Newsgroup Posts

THE END GO HURT SOMEONE ELSE OH DON'T E-MAIL ME AS YOU ORDERED ME
NOT TO DO TO YOU WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ANYWAY but don't waste my
time just please be someone who helps a new person all you did was
hurt me

Jody,

I am unsure why constructive criticism would hurt you. I believe you may
have taken Rock's message a bit too personal.

Rock was merely - as far as I can read into it - trying to get you to
organize your posts a bit differently. Organizing individual
thoughts/questions into separate paragraphs so that it is easier to read.
Using punctuation and such so that it is easier to tell where the questions
are and where the statements of the problem are. Etc. It is also customary
for one to respond/reply only in the newsgroups as they are archived and can
later be searched and answers to frequent questions reviewed and utilized by
others more easily.

I am sorry you feel that Rock's comments were hurtful. Perhaps if you
explained more about your personal situation or the reason you might post
the way you do - things would make more sense?

Come back - let us know more about your situation and what you need the most
help with. Stick to one problem for a post and I am sure we can help you
with that and then move on to the next problem with the next reply and so on
until you get the hang of this.

Do not take things personal in the newsgroups. You don't know these people
and you are unlikely to ever meet them in reality - nor is the reverse true.
If you feel a comment is hurtful - stop and rethink, but don't bother
retaliating or responding to what you thought was hurtful - just read the
stuff you need, thank them for that, and continue living your own happy
life. That is the best way to go about it, in my humble opinion.

As I have posted it in the other two responses I have made to you tonight -
I will post it again... I think things will be less confusing for you and
you will get more out of these newsgroups if you stop using Firefox or
Internet Explorer to view/utilize them. You can use another applications on
your computer to connect to these groups:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

I hope this response or one of my other two help you and find you doing
well!

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I must apologize for the formatting of my other message - it came out a
little jumbled.

Hopefully this one will come out formatted as intended.

This post is not in the right place, but I tried to post a NEW
question (pop-up blocker, OK?!)

Perhaps I should just stop reading and read the rules. But I need
to ask this because Microsoft never answered me after multiple
attempts and I felt it was relevant at least at a forum that is
Microsoft related.

I am running XP SP2 Home and would like to know why I am getting
updates for Office and other administrative topics?

I have since changed my setting to off for Updates but I check
Windows Update every other day.

I am one of those "newbies" trying to find answers to my own
questions but after going from one site to another, I just quit. I have
all the "Dummy" books and I tried to find out what NTFS meant and
it isn't in any glossary I was checking and I wrote this as an example
to what I have been going thru to find the info I need. I get quite
frustrated and just quit.

Any suggestions would be helpful.

I came here because I, obviously, have Windows Defender and
this forum was described as a place that perhaps I might find out
answers but unfortunately I will end this reply more confused.

By the way I went to argos.co and is there something I missed?

I am now going to Richard's other site he mentioned and maybe
I will find some relevant info. And yes I would like to know what
a frigging script is and what it does but trying to find the answer
on Microsoft.com drove me crazier.

I have been to other forums so I am not a complete novice and now I
running around in circles and driving anyone who might read this
crazy!

Thank you and I really just need some direction on how to find
answers to questions.

Wow... Okay. I have tried to clean up what you wrote and make it
semi-coherent above. So I have a few questions for you concerning what you
have posted and a few suggestions for learning...

You are obviously (given your first statement) trying to utilize the
newsgroups through the web interface. As anyone who frequents these groups
will tell you, that is one of the worst ways to access this newsgroup. A
better (and available to you - as you seem to be running Windows XP) way
would be to use Outlook Express as your 'newsreader'. You can find
instructions for this here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

Now that we have hopefully gotten you off that horrid web page interface for
these groups, things might become easier for you.

You asked why you are getting updates for Office and Windows XP (You have
Windows XP Home with SP2...) That's a little bit of a broad question
leaving out way too many details. Also, I can see, by reading the rest of
your message, where you might have left out a word and meant to ask 'Why am
I *not* getting updates'... But I might be jumping too much there. Let's go
with the '... why I am getting updates for Office and other administrative
topics? ...' question as written.

You are getting updates because you are either visiting
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and scanning for them and installing
them or you have enabled automatic updates. Microsoft decided they would
push all critical updates for their main products (Windows, Office, etc) in
this way. That way it is like 'one-stop-shopping' for all of your Microsoft
products. Getting updates is *not* a bad thing. Also you mention you have
set your 'automatic updates' to off and you check 'every other day' for
updates... That's a bit extreme... Microsoft releases new updates on a
schedule... The second Tuesday of every month. So if you wait until the day
after that and visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ and scan for
updates - you just might find something. That would be January 9, 2007 this
time...

I corrected your spelling above on NTFS. NFTS I do not believe has anything
to do with Windows XP or Microsoft products and may not even be a valid
acronym... NTFS on the other hand stands for 'NT File System' and you can
read some basic information on it here:
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/N/NTFS.html

Now you mentioned you came here 'obviously' because you had Windows
Defender. I hate to be the one to tell you this - but that would be less
than obvious to anyone and to be truthful - according to the support
reference on Microsoft's website - this is NOT the newsgroup for Windows
Defender. In fact - it specifically states that. See here:

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspx


The proper newsgroups for Windows Defender are listed as these:

Windows Defender newsgroups
--------------------------------------------
.. Announcements
(http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...rosoft.private.security.spyware.announcements
)
.. General questions
(http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.general
)
.. Installation questions
(http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...dg=microsoft.private.security.spyware.install
)
.. Application compatibility questions
(http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...=microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
)
.. Networking questions
(http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...microsoft.private.security.spyware.networking
)
.. Definition updates
(http://www.microsoft.com/athome/sec...microsoft.private.security.spyware.signatures
)

And at the very bottom, it says this (about this particular newsgroup -
microsoft.public.security.homeusers):
"For other security questions not related to Windows Defender like using a
firewall, antivirus software, or security update questions, please visit the
Security for Home Computer Users newsgroup."

Which - to me anyway - pretty much says that you should post your Windows
Defender questions in one of the groups above, but not the
microsoft.public.security.homeusers, which is for 'other security question
snot related to Windows Defender'...

You also may want to look carefully and see this message is being
cross-posted (posted to multiple groups at one time) to the following other
newsgroups:microsoft.public.security.virus,
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,
microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

Yes - you can get answers to questions on this forum - but you must take
time, take a deep breath, swallow a bit of your pride if necessary and post
a complete and intelligible question. It's much like asking a question
anywhere else, except you have to remember that the only one that actually
can SEE the issue first-hand is you and it is up to you to describe it in
detail to us.

You also mentioned visiting 'argos.co' and I have NO CLUE as to why you
would ever go there. Now I had to assume that was one of two sites...
Either http://www.argos.com (and you did not type the 'm' in your haste) or
http://www.argos.co.uk (and you neglected to type the .uk for whatever
reason...) Neither one makes sense as to something you would visit, as the
only mention of it in this newsgroup I find is from AJR (Richard) where he
states, '... There is a fault in its' IE6 in the www.argos.co.uk web site
causes that browser to bomb-out! ...' <-- and I cannot fathom what would
lead you to desire to visit the page in question from that statement or
those arising from it.

Then you state you are going to '... Richard's other
site he mentioned and maybe I will find some relevant info ...' <-- which
makes me wonder even more why you would consider that a reference site from
what Richard said in his post. It actually makes me feel you are not
reading anything, but skimming and looking for links. You have to read and
comprehend the stuff around those links too - in most cases. *smile* By
the way, here is that thread in its entirety, if you wish to review and/or
explain where you thought it said you should visit that site for any
reason...

http://groups.google.com/group/micr...22/d38f008ebcb46546?tvc=2&q=#d38f008ebcb46546


In any case - getting past that confusion for the moment we will continue
with your post... You say - last thing above - that you '... really just
need some direction on how to find answers to questions ...' Okay - I think
that is possible. First thing is to know what you are looking for. Know
what the trouble is and the stuff that surrounds that trouble. If you
cannot see images on web pages, know that you cannot see those images using
Internet Explorer 6.0 on a Windows XP Home system with SP2 installed and if
the images are just not there or replaced with something like a box with a
red x in the center...

Once you know that (and that should all be obvious -
as it is all stuff sitting in front of you) you should
search for the answer. One of the best ways I know is
utilizing google.

Search using Google!
http://www.google.com/
(How-to: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/basics.html )


So now you visit http://www.google.com/ and in the search field you might
type in:

Internet Explorer images shown as box with red x

And search. There will be some hits that do not fit your case - but read
through them...

One hit that came up was:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/ietopten.mspx

Which specifically mentions "Red x instead of pictures" and gives solutions
to such a dilemma. If you hadn't gotten a hit, you would need to rethink
the way you phrased your search, perhaps put quotes around certain things to
make them one unit ("Internet Explorer" for example) and so on...

You can also search these newsgroups for questions that have already been
asked and quite possibly answered using another google tool: google groups.

http://groups.google.com/

Although I always use the advanced version:
http://groups.google.com/advanced_search

Same principle - more options.


That pretty much clears out this post of yours...

If you have more questions or wish to calrify some things - come back and
respond to this message!

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Hi Shenan,

Just an aside, I prefer to use this link for instructions to set up OE as
the newsreader.

The MS instructions specifically say to enter your e-mail address. (Here
comes the spam). This link tells how not to, and why.

Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MShttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

 

[Shenan Stanley]

A better (and available to you - as you seem to be
running Windows XP) way would be to use Outlook Express as your
'newsreader'. You can find instructions for this here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

Just an aside, I prefer to use this link for instructions to set up
OE as the newsreader.

The MS instructions specifically say to enter your e-mail address.
(Here comes the spam). This link tells how not to, and why.

Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader for MShttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

Appreciated and noted.
Michael's stuff is always good...

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM]

None of us can send you email. You didn't give us your email address.