Search is Messed up - Microsoft please fix it.

[Guest]

I had a message from Norton Internet Security that said, “The compressed file
rundlg32.dll within C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\XFZNH9WE\rundlg32[1].cab is a
Spyware threat.†And the recommendation was to delete the file. I selected
the delete option offered in the Norton window. “Delete failed†is all it
said.

I naively thought, no problem I’ve got a full path I’ll just navigate to the
file and delete it.

Even though I had all the proper “view all file types†and even rechecked it
several times the directory “XFZNH9WE†was never shown – and that was using
both the Explore function and My Computer. That’s when I tried using the
Search function which was of no use at all. I didn’t find the directory
XFZNH9WE, much less the rundlg32.dll file.

What a shock when I went to a LAN networked Win98 machine and was able to
find the file quickly using the network! I was also able to use the Win98
machine to search the WinXP computer and not only was the search MUCH faster,
it found the file immediately!

Just out of curiosity I did a search for all dll (*.dll) files in the
C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
using the WinXP search utility and got just over forty returns; then searched
the same directory on the same computer through the LAN using the Win98
computer and got over a hundred returns. Why?

Even though I have “show all files†selected in WinXP why do I not see all
the same directories and files that I see when I use the Win98 machine to
look at the same computer through the LAN?

The big question is: Is there a way I can extract the Win98 “Find†utility
and install it on both of our WinXP computers, (for when we use the WinXP
notebook off the LAN)?

 

[Bill James]

In addition to show all files, you need to uncheck the option to hide protected operating system files if you want to do the type of exploring/searching you describe. In your specific example, a search for a file named rundlg32.dll still would not work, since it is not a standalone file, but rather one of the file contents of the .cab file specified.

By the way, you probably could have easily taken care of the problem file by just deleting the Temporary Internet Files cache from IE Options.

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Bill James
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

Windows VBScript Utilities » www.billsway.com/vbspage/
Windows Tweaks & Tips » www.billsway.com/notes_public/

 

[Guest]

Mr. James,

Thank you for taking the time to answer one of my questions. The option to
hide protected operating system files was not checked – but thank you for
mentioning that possible problem.

I just re-checked my settings to be sure, and then looked for the
directories that are so clearly there when I search using Win98 through the
LAN at the WinXP computer:

C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

Through the LAN it shows that there are five directories that do not appear
when using WinXP (regardless of the “show all files†*and* having the “hide
protected operating system files†not selected). The five directories that
WinXP continues to hide are:

Content.IE5
Content.MSO
FrontPageTempDir
OLK29
PVMMAD75

I just did a WinXP search for the “FrontPageTempDir†directory that I can
clearly see through the LAN and WinXP said that “There are no results to
display.â€

I made sure all my settings in the search function, especially the Search
system files, search hidden files, and the search subfolders options were
selected.

WinXP says that it’s showing all files, but clearly they are not.

I just did the same search through the LAN for the same directory
(FrontPageTempDir) and the Win98 machine found the directory immediately,
whereas WinXP says there is no such directory.

I don’t understand why the Win98 search tool finds directories and files on
my WinXP computer that WinXP will not find or show.

The Win98 search, actually called “Find†must be a regular executable
program, is there a way to copy the Win98 “Find†program to WinXP? Perhaps
there’s even a non-Microsoft search software program available that would
work like the Win98 “find�

The whole reason that I got WinXP Pro was to avoid the OS “helping†me with
these kinds of things.

If we didn’t have a LAN here at work, running both WinXP and Win98 computers
and I didn’t have full access to all the computers I would never know that
(regardless of the “show all files†and all the other settings) WinXP hides
directories and files.

Why does WinXP lie?

In addition to show all files, you need to uncheck the option to hide protected operating system files if you want to do the type of exploring/searching you describe. In your specific example, a search for a file named rundlg32.dll still would not work, since it is not a standalone file, but rather one of the file contents of the .cab file specified.

By the way, you probably could have easily taken care of the problem file by just deleting the Temporary Internet Files cache from IE Options.

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Bill James
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

Windows VBScript Utilities » www.billsway.com/vbspage/
Windows Tweaks & Tips » www.billsway.com/notes_public/

I had a message from Norton Internet Security that said, “The compressed file
rundlg32.dll within C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\XFZNH9WE\rundlg32[1].cab is a
Spyware threat.†And the recommendation was to delete the file. I selected
the delete option offered in the Norton window. “Delete failed†is all it
said.

I naively thought, no problem I’ve got a full path I’ll just navigate to the
file and delete it.

Even though I had all the proper “view all file types†and even rechecked it
several times the directory “XFZNH9WE†was never shown – and that was using
both the Explore function and My Computer. That’s when I tried using the
Search function which was of no use at all. I didn’t find the directory
XFZNH9WE, much less the rundlg32.dll file.

What a shock when I went to a LAN networked Win98 machine and was able to
find the file quickly using the network! I was also able to use the Win98
machine to search the WinXP computer and not only was the search MUCH faster,
it found the file immediately!

Just out of curiosity I did a search for all dll (*.dll) files in the
C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
using the WinXP search utility and got just over forty returns; then searched
the same directory on the same computer through the LAN using the Win98
computer and got over a hundred returns. Why?

Even though I have “show all files†selected in WinXP why do I not see all
the same directories and files that I see when I use the Win98 machine to
look at the same computer through the LAN?

The big question is: Is there a way I can extract the Win98 “Find†utility
and install it on both of our WinXP computers, (for when we use the WinXP
notebook off the LAN)?

 

[David Candy]

This is because you thinking is faulty. You don't understand windows, the same issues you mention for XP apply (even more) on 98. In short the folders in Temp Internet Files are none of your business. They are Internet Explorer's business. If you use Windows as it is designed to be used you wouldn't have any problems. It's because you are using it as if it's a 1981 program that you have problems, it isn't a 1981 program.

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Mr. James,

Thank you for taking the time to answer one of my questions. The option to
hide protected operating system files was not checked – but thank you for
mentioning that possible problem.

I just re-checked my settings to be sure, and then looked for the
directories that are so clearly there when I search using Win98 through the
LAN at the WinXP computer:

C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

Through the LAN it shows that there are five directories that do not appear
when using WinXP (regardless of the “show all files†*and* having the “hide
protected operating system files†not selected). The five directories that
WinXP continues to hide are:

Content.IE5
Content.MSO
FrontPageTempDir
OLK29
PVMMAD75

I just did a WinXP search for the “FrontPageTempDir†directory that I can
clearly see through the LAN and WinXP said that “There are no results to
display.â€

I made sure all my settings in the search function, especially the Search
system files, search hidden files, and the search subfolders options were
selected.

WinXP says that it’s showing all files, but clearly they are not.

I just did the same search through the LAN for the same directory
(FrontPageTempDir) and the Win98 machine found the directory immediately,
whereas WinXP says there is no such directory.

I don’t understand why the Win98 search tool finds directories and files on
my WinXP computer that WinXP will not find or show.

The Win98 search, actually called “Find†must be a regular executable
program, is there a way to copy the Win98 “Find†program to WinXP? Perhaps
there’s even a non-Microsoft search software program available that would
work like the Win98 “find�

The whole reason that I got WinXP Pro was to avoid the OS “helping†me with
these kinds of things.

If we didn’t have a LAN here at work, running both WinXP and Win98 computers
and I didn’t have full access to all the computers I would never know that
(regardless of the “show all files†and all the other settings) WinXP hides
directories and files.

Why does WinXP lie?

In addition to show all files, you need to uncheck the option to hide protected operating system files if you want to do the type of exploring/searching you describe. In your specific example, a search for a file named rundlg32.dll still would not work, since it is not a standalone file, but rather one of the file contents of the .cab file specified.

By the way, you probably could have easily taken care of the problem file by just deleting the Temporary Internet Files cache from IE Options.

--

Bill James
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

Windows VBScript Utilities » www.billsway.com/vbspage/
Windows Tweaks & Tips » www.billsway.com/notes_public/

I had a message from Norton Internet Security that said, “The compressed file
rundlg32.dll within C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\XFZNH9WE\rundlg32[1].cab is a
Spyware threat.†And the recommendation was to delete the file. I selected
the delete option offered in the Norton window. “Delete failed†is all it
said.

I naively thought, no problem I’ve got a full path I’ll just navigate to the
file and delete it.

Even though I had all the proper “view all file types†and even rechecked it
several times the directory “XFZNH9WE†was never shown – and that was using
both the Explore function and My Computer. That’s when I tried using the
Search function which was of no use at all. I didn’t find the directory
XFZNH9WE, much less the rundlg32.dll file.

What a shock when I went to a LAN networked Win98 machine and was able to
find the file quickly using the network! I was also able to use the Win98
machine to search the WinXP computer and not only was the search MUCH faster,
it found the file immediately!

Just out of curiosity I did a search for all dll (*.dll) files in the
C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
using the WinXP search utility and got just over forty returns; then searched
the same directory on the same computer through the LAN using the Win98
computer and got over a hundred returns. Why?

Even though I have “show all files†selected in WinXP why do I not see all
the same directories and files that I see when I use the Win98 machine to
look at the same computer through the LAN?

The big question is: Is there a way I can extract the Win98 “Find†utility
and install it on both of our WinXP computers, (for when we use the WinXP
notebook off the LAN)?

 

[Bill James]

I can't duplicate the situation you describe. Are you logged into an administrator when doing the search, and are these directories associated with that user? As far as I know the Win 98 find will not work on XP. There are 3rd party search programs, and regardless of the hidden folders situation they do have other advantages that some find worthwhile, such as a better capability to search for a string within a file. I don't use one, and have no recommendation, but perhaps someone else will pop in with a suggestion. Or, an Internet search turns up a lot of possibilites.

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Bill James
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

Windows VBScript Utilities » www.billsway.com/vbspage/
Windows Tweaks & Tips » www.billsway.com/notes_public/

Mr. James,

Thank you for taking the time to answer one of my questions. The option to
hide protected operating system files was not checked – but thank you for
mentioning that possible problem.

I just re-checked my settings to be sure, and then looked for the
directories that are so clearly there when I search using Win98 through the
LAN at the WinXP computer:

C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

Through the LAN it shows that there are five directories that do not appear
when using WinXP (regardless of the “show all files†*and* having the “hide
protected operating system files†not selected). The five directories that
WinXP continues to hide are:

Content.IE5
Content.MSO
FrontPageTempDir
OLK29
PVMMAD75

I just did a WinXP search for the “FrontPageTempDir†directory that I can
clearly see through the LAN and WinXP said that “There are no results to
display.â€

I made sure all my settings in the search function, especially the Search
system files, search hidden files, and the search subfolders options were
selected.

WinXP says that it’s showing all files, but clearly they are not.

I just did the same search through the LAN for the same directory
(FrontPageTempDir) and the Win98 machine found the directory immediately,
whereas WinXP says there is no such directory.

I don’t understand why the Win98 search tool finds directories and files on
my WinXP computer that WinXP will not find or show.

The Win98 search, actually called “Find†must be a regular executable
program, is there a way to copy the Win98 “Find†program to WinXP? Perhaps
there’s even a non-Microsoft search software program available that would
work like the Win98 “find�

The whole reason that I got WinXP Pro was to avoid the OS “helping†me with
these kinds of things.

If we didn’t have a LAN here at work, running both WinXP and Win98 computers
and I didn’t have full access to all the computers I would never know that
(regardless of the “show all files†and all the other settings) WinXP hides
directories and files.

Why does WinXP lie?

In addition to show all files, you need to uncheck the option to hide protected operating system files if you want to do the type of exploring/searching you describe. In your specific example, a search for a file named rundlg32.dll still would not work, since it is not a standalone file, but rather one of the file contents of the .cab file specified.

By the way, you probably could have easily taken care of the problem file by just deleting the Temporary Internet Files cache from IE Options.

--

Bill James
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User

Windows VBScript Utilities » www.billsway.com/vbspage/
Windows Tweaks & Tips » www.billsway.com/notes_public/

I had a message from Norton Internet Security that said, “The compressed file
rundlg32.dll within C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\XFZNH9WE\rundlg32[1].cab is a
Spyware threat.†And the recommendation was to delete the file. I selected
the delete option offered in the Norton window. “Delete failed†is all it
said.

I naively thought, no problem I’ve got a full path I’ll just navigate to the
file and delete it.

Even though I had all the proper “view all file types†and even rechecked it
several times the directory “XFZNH9WE†was never shown – and that was using
both the Explore function and My Computer. That’s when I tried using the
Search function which was of no use at all. I didn’t find the directory
XFZNH9WE, much less the rundlg32.dll file.

What a shock when I went to a LAN networked Win98 machine and was able to
find the file quickly using the network! I was also able to use the Win98
machine to search the WinXP computer and not only was the search MUCH faster,
it found the file immediately!

Just out of curiosity I did a search for all dll (*.dll) files in the
C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
using the WinXP search utility and got just over forty returns; then searched
the same directory on the same computer through the LAN using the Win98
computer and got over a hundred returns. Why?

Even though I have “show all files†selected in WinXP why do I not see all
the same directories and files that I see when I use the Win98 machine to
look at the same computer through the LAN?

The big question is: Is there a way I can extract the Win98 “Find†utility
and install it on both of our WinXP computers, (for when we use the WinXP
notebook off the LAN)?

 

[D.Currie]

I had a message from Norton Internet Security that said, "The compressed
file
rundlg32.dll within C:\Documents and Settings\"User Name"\Local
Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\XFZNH9WE\rundlg32[1].cab is
a
Spyware threat." And the recommendation was to delete the file. I
selected
the delete option offered in the Norton window. "Delete failed" is all it
said.

I naively thought, no problem I've got a full path I'll just navigate to
the
file and delete it.

Even though I had all the proper "view all file types" and even rechecked
it
several times the directory "XFZNH9WE" was never shown - and that was
using
both the Explore function and My Computer. That's when I tried using the
Search function which was of no use at all. I didn't find the directory
XFZNH9WE, much less the rundlg32.dll file.

What a shock when I went to a LAN networked Win98 machine and was able to
find the file quickly using the network! I was also able to use the Win98
machine to search the WinXP computer and not only was the search MUCH
faster,
it found the file immediately!

Just out of curiosity I did a search for all dll (*.dll) files in the
C:\Documents and Settings\"User Name"\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files
using the WinXP search utility and got just over forty returns; then
searched
the same directory on the same computer through the LAN using the Win98
computer and got over a hundred returns. Why?

Even though I have "show all files" selected in WinXP why do I not see all
the same directories and files that I see when I use the Win98 machine to
look at the same computer through the LAN?

The big question is: Is there a way I can extract the Win98 "Find"
utility
and install it on both of our WinXP computers, (for when we use the WinXP
notebook off the LAN)?

I've noticed that there are some files that don't appear in explorer, but
will show up if you navigate there using the cmd.

 

[Alex Nichol]

I just re-checked my settings to be sure, and then looked for the
directories that are so clearly there when I search using Win98 through the
LAN at the WinXP computer:

C:\Documents and Settings\â€User Nameâ€\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

Through the LAN it shows that there are five directories that do not appear
when using WinXP (regardless of the “show all files†*and* having the “hide
protected operating system files†not selected). The five directories that
WinXP continues to hide are:

Content.IE5
Content.MSO
FrontPageTempDir
OLK29
PVMMAD75

That is the internal structure of Temporary Internet files, which
Explorer normally conceals. For the original trouble, where the
offending file is hidden in a file within that, it ought to be enough to
go to Control Panel, Internet Options, and click the 'Delete Files'
button in the middle of the front page

 

[davexnet02]

Mr. James,

Thank you for taking the time to answer one of my questions. The option to
hide protected operating system files was not checked – but thank you for
mentioning that possible problem.

I just re-checked my settings to be sure, and then looked for the
directories that are so clearly there when I search using Win98 through the
LAN at the WinXP computer:

C:\Documents and Settings\”User Name”\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

Through the LAN it shows that there are five directories that do not appear
when using WinXP (regardless of the “show all files” *and* having the “hide
protected operating system files” not selected). The five directories that
WinXP continues to hide are:

Content.IE5
Content.MSO
FrontPageTempDir
OLK29
PVMMAD75

If you want a search program that works well in XP,
download Agent Ransack version 173:
http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/pageloader.aspx?page=download

There is some weirdness in XP's search. I've got a dualboot
XP PRO, one on the c: drive and one on the f: drive.

If I want explorer to show me the hidden files on the c: drive,
I have to logon to the f: drive XP install and vice-versa.
It's ridiculous, but it works.
Dave