scuff marks from exit rollers - Epson 2200

[Arthur Entlich]

I'd expect Epson redesigned the outport area of the printer so this
problem didn't reappear. The Ultrachrome inks are very slow drying on
some media.

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[Alan Justice]

I've only used the Epson Premium Glossy Photo papers. Do you think there
would be less of a scuffing if I switched to another paper?

Is there any way to slow up the printing, so there is longer to dry?
(Increasing time between sheets wouldn't work.)

 

[Alan Justice]

Unfortunately, those exit rollers do serve a purpose. By propping them up,
the paper is not held or advanced during about the last 1/2", so it goes
askew.

 

[Hecate]

I've only used the Epson Premium Glossy Photo papers. Do you think there
would be less of a scuffing if I switched to another paper?

Yes. Use matt or satin (Semi gloss) papers. The inks take forever to
dry on glossy and when they do they bronze anyway.

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[measekite]

Yes. Use matt or satin (Semi gloss) papers. The inks take forever to
dry on glossy and when they do they bronze anyway.

My Canon IP4000 has not had any problem of this kind. It produces
beautiful glossy prints. So far I have not experienced any fading but
time will tell.

 

[Alan Justice]

I live on the north coast of California, where it rains about 80" a year.
Could the humidity be slowing down the ink drying, so that I get the scuff
marks from the exit rollers, and, now, marks from the pizza wheels? Would a
fan help? Dehumidifier?

 

[Hecate]

My Canon IP4000 has not had any problem of this kind. It produces
beautiful glossy prints. So far I have not experienced any fading but
time will tell.

It wouldn't. It's dye based. It's usable with glossy. The only
difference is colour depth and longevity, or, in the case of Canon
"shortevity".

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[Arthur Entlich]

Most people do not experience a problem as a result of moving the exit
rollers up slightly, from the reports I've received. Perhaps they do
not print on the last 1/2" of the paper.

There are a number of web pages from several of the 3rd party ink
companies and elsewhere that make suggestions on resolving this issue.

I also believe there is an adjustment in the driver that allows for the
printing process to be slowed down.

Glossy papers are more prone to this problem than matte papers.

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[Arthur Entlich]

I should probably just ignore you at this point, because you know full
well that there is no comparison between the Canon IP4000 and the Epson
2200 in terms of the nature of the requirements of the output.

The IP4000 is a dye ink printer, letter size and uses CMYK (4) colors.

The 2200 is a pigment, resin encapsulated ink printer, medium carriage
size (13") and uses CcMmYKK (6) colors.

Whether your print fade or not isn't the issue for anyone other than
yourself. I would warn anyone who needs image permanence, either for
their own purposes or if they sell their work, not to use Canon OEM
inks. All dye inks fade, and Canon's tends to do so more quickly than
other manufacturer's OEM inks of today. There may be 3rd party inks for
Canon printers that are better, however.

The inks supplied with the Epson 2200 have been rigorously tested by 3rd
party professional labs. They have very good fade resistance. Those
same qualities that make these inks so permanent can also cause some of
the drying problems with inks on glossy paper. Epson resolved this by
changing the design of the exit wheels of newer printer using these
types of inks. Most people who use the 2200 have resolved the problem
when they use glossy papers by rasing those wheels without consequence.

If your ignorance wasn't so intentional, I'd be much more forgiving, but
the fact that you intentionally lie by omission, does no one any benefit
who reads your posts, and I can only recommend to others that they do
not consider your experiences and recommendations seriously since your
credibility is flawed and they may be sorry for considering your
comments in making their purchasing decisions.

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[Arthur Entlich]

Firstly, to answer your question, yes, excess humidity will have it's
effect.

Not just because the ink dries more slowly, but because the paper is
hydroscopic and absorbs moisture. You might wish to keep the stored
blank paper sealed as much as possible, or even toss some silica gel
with the paper in a paper storage device.

I know of some people who were using hair dryers with their 2200 output
to try to dry it more rapidly. Results were variable, and I'm sure that
heat is not good for the synthetic rubber wheels.

I would suggest you look into the issue on Google. There are several
web sites offering easy ways to adapt your printer to resolve the exit
wheel issue. There is something for the "pizza" wheels as well, but in
some models that requires surgery.

BTW, I live on the west coast of Vancouver Islands, and we have similar
rainfall issues part of the year.

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[measekite]

I should probably just ignore you at this point, because you know full
well that there is no comparison between the Canon IP4000 and the
Epson 2200 in terms of the nature of the requirements of the output.

The IP4000 is a dye ink printer, letter size and uses CMYK (4) colors.

The 2200 is a pigment, resin encapsulated ink printer, medium carriage
size (13") and uses CcMmYKK (6) colors.

I hear the high gloss prints do not look so good. That is why the R1800
has a gloss optomizer that is supposed to be a big improvement. Still,
people that have seen the results of both have said (and on this NG
also) that prints from a dye based printer (especially Canon Pixma
Printers and the i Series) are much more striking and vivid.

 

[Alan Justice]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try dried vs undried paper.

 

[Hecate]

I should probably just ignore you at this point, because you know full
well that there is no comparison between the Canon IP4000 and the Epson
2200 in terms of the nature of the requirements of the output.

I wouldn't bother. It's perfectly clear that he just doesn't
understand the difference.

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[lokki]

well, it's not the humidity... I live in high desert (really... nearly
1.25 miles above sea level) where it's extremely dry.

I'm having the same roller scuff issue using the Niagra system on my
2200. I just tried using the exit flags, but the cart crashed into
the exit wheels and caused the paper to fail to feed. The result was
a pool of ink on one end of somewhat expensive paper.

I did not have this problem with the Epson Ultrachrome inks on Premium
Luster, Premium Glossy, or Enhanced Matte (all from espon, in sizes up
to Super B). However, I switched to the Mediastreet system
and tried using Ilford Smooth Pearl
(13x19) and have had nothing but problems in continuous tone images.
Smaller 4x6 on glossy stock doesn't seem to have a problem.

So, I can't offer anything but sympathy at this point. I hope I
haven't hosed my 2200 with those damned flags... any idea how to get
them to work properly??

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I cannot recall offhand, but one type of Ilford paper is considered
completely inappropriate for Epson pigment colorant inks. Ilford has
two types, Classic and Smooth. Also what inks are you using with your
bulk ink systems?

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[lokki]

Hi Arthur,

I hadn't heard about the Ilford papers - time to google! Should have
done that, before...

I am using the MediaStreet G-chrome w/ photo black. On Epson's premium
glossy, they look incredible, and seem to sit in the resin very nicely
(no metamerism or bronzing).

Truth be known, I really wish I'd bought the matte inks. Most of the
images I print look much better on matte papers, but the photo ink
(as expected) is too light. My prints don't usually have solid white
areas, and I'm not keen on gloss for anything larger than 5x7
portraiture. Even premium lustre at 8x10 is pushing it for me.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I happen to also prefer matte surfaces for fine art images. They
provide a more "absorbing" image with less barrier from the paper
surface, visually.

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[Alan Justice]

I get the scuffing on Epson Premium Glossy. Do you recommend another paper
(that would dry faster, I guess) that won't be plagued by the scuffing?

 

[Arthur Entlich]

If you like matte papers, try one of Epson's matte surfaces, like
Enhanced Matte, or Velvet Fine Art, or Watercolor paper. In the glossy,
the recommend ones include: Premium Glossy Photo (which you have tried),
Premium Luster and Premium Semigloss.

There are instructions on raising the rubber output wheels to prevent
the streaking, (look it up in Google).

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[Alan Justice]

MediaStreet supplies "flags" to raise the wheels, but doing so causes the
paper to feed crooked toward the end. I'm about ready to give up on MS inks
and go back to Epson.