SATA ports

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Andrew Wilson

Hello
Running WinXPSP3.
My DVD writer has just packed up and I've ordered two SATA DVD writers. I
was going to save one of the units as a spare because I've only got one SATA
port remaining on the motherboard (I only have two ports and the hard disk
is connected to one of them). Is it possible however to buy an additional
cable that will connect to both DVD writers and then will connect to my one
remaining SATA port? If so, what is the exact name of the cable that I
require please?
Many thanks
Andrew Wilson
PS Have googled but that's left me more confused than ever!
 
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philo

Hello
Running WinXPSP3.
My DVD writer has just packed up and I've ordered two SATA DVD writers. I
was going to save one of the units as a spare because I've only got one SATA
port remaining on the motherboard (I only have two ports and the hard disk
is connected to one of them). Is it possible however to buy an additional
cable that will connect to both DVD writers and then will connect to my one
remaining SATA port? If so, what is the exact name of the cable that I
require please?
Many thanks
Andrew Wilson
PS Have googled but that's left me more confused than ever!



No but you can buy an SATA card and add more SATA ports

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...r=BESTMATCH&Description=pci+sata+card&x=0&y=0


just be sure to get one compatible with your mobo

PCI PCIe
 
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VanguardLH

Andrew said:
Hello
Running WinXPSP3.
My DVD writer has just packed up and I've ordered two SATA DVD writers. I
was going to save one of the units as a spare because I've only got one SATA
port remaining on the motherboard (I only have two ports and the hard disk
is connected to one of them). Is it possible however to buy an additional
cable that will connect to both DVD writers and then will connect to my one
remaining SATA port? If so, what is the exact name of the cable that I
require please?
Many thanks
Andrew Wilson
PS Have googled but that's left me more confused than ever!

There is no master/slave relationship of devices connected to a SATA
controller. One SATA port to one SATA device. This was designed to
specifically address the misconfigurations made by users.

So do you have no other PCI[e] slots in which to insert a daughtercard
that gives you more internal SATA ports?
 
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dadiOH

VanguardLH said:
There is no master/slave relationship of devices connected to a SATA
controller. One SATA port to one SATA device. This was designed to
specifically address the misconfigurations made by users.

So we all have to suffer because of the dodos? Sheesh! :)

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Andrew Wilson

dadiOH said:
So we all have to suffer because of the dodos? Sheesh! :)

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Many thanks everyone. I think I have a PCI(e) slot free so will go down the
SATA card road. I will know more when I open the case. Can't open the case
until the writers come because it is in a unit in the corner and I have to
move loads of furniture round and out to access it.
Thanks again
Andrew Wilson
 
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VanguardLH

dadiOH said:
So we all have to suffer because of the dodos? Sheesh! :)

- Smaller and easier to route cables.
- Some mobos have up to 8 SATA ports. Running around 8 SATA cables
inside a computer case is a hell of a lot easier than trying to route
around 8 ribbon cables (whether flat or rolled into a round sleeve).
Imagine the real estate consumed on the motherboard to have 8 IDE
connectors versus the much smaller footprint for 8 SATA ports.
- No headaches with getting the jumpers correctly setup on the hard
disks. Just shove in the disks and connect the cables. Quick
installation. No instruction manual to read. Yes, if you're
masochistic then doing more work is what you want.
- No worry about using cable select and having a ribbon cable that works
with it.
- Better EMF isolation than of a flat exposed ribbon cable.
- Stronger connect between cable and connector to prevent pulling them
apart (since only a few IDE cables come with a pull tab to prevent
users from yanking on the data cable).
- Much smaller cables to eliminate restriction of air flow around them.
Few users, especially those that buy pre-builts, ever bother to note
the airflow and orient the fat ribbon cables to NOT block the
airflow.
- Yes, there are round IDE cables but those are just flat ribbon cables
rolled up inside a sleeve that makes the cable stiffer.
- The SATA connector cannot be reversed when connected but there are
plenty of non-polarized connectors on IDE cables that are in use or
some ahole put a shroud around the hard disk's or mobo's connector
with slots on both sides to de-polarize the connection so a polarized
IDE ribbon cable could still be connected in reverse.
- SATA supports higher bandwidth than IDE ribbon cables. Look at the
[burst mode] specs: ATA-7 drives can go to 133Mbps but SATA I
(surpassed by SATA II and III) started at 150Mbps. Sustained data
rate for SATA drives is higher than for IDE drives.
- IDE ribbon cables come in 40-wire and 80-wire variations (both with
still just the 40 signal wires), and you have to use the 80-wire
variation for ATA-66, and up, devices.
- There's no sharing of the data bandwidth over the cable between
controller and device in SATA as there is with IDE with its 2 devices
(master and slave). In SATA, there's no locking one device during a
write which permits only a concurrent read of the other connected
device with IDE. Each device is separate and writes can be concurrent
on the different devices connected to different SATA controllers.
- PATA uses bidirectional channels (lines) for data to and from the
controller to the device whereas SATA uses separate channels to reduce
noise and impedance. The single-ended signalling for IDE (PATA)
combined data with noise.
- SATA uses lower signal voltage (500mv versus 5V) to minimize the noise
margin and consume less power.
- PATA (IDE) doesn't permit hot-plug capability but SATA does.
- You can get really long IDE cables but incur more ringing and induced
noise whereas the 1-meter length for SATA cables pretty much means you
can use them even in the tall towers without having to drop the drives
down in the external bays for the cables to reach them.
- SATA has more thorough error checking and correcting over the serial
bus than for PATA hence better guarantee of integrity for commands and
data.
- PATA connectors were more secure because they had more pins (40 or 80)
for more friction to prevent accidentally pulling out the connector.
However, you can get locking SATA connectors that have a spring clip
to ensure the connector doesn't get accidentally pulled out.

There are more advantages to SATA over PATA but I'm not that interested
to list them all. So, yes, you'll have to suffer with the advantages of
SATA cabling. Oh poor you.

By the way, it wasn't just the dodo users that misconfigured the PATA
drives regarding polarity of connections or wrong jumper settings or
incorrect placement of devices on the cable connectors or using overly
long ribbon cables or blocking airflow.
 
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dadiOH

There are more advantages to SATA over PATA but I'm not that
interested to list them all. So, yes, you'll have to suffer with the
advantages of SATA cabling. Oh poor you.

Uh, I *love* SATA for all the reasons you listed - and which I snipped in
the interest of brevity. My tongue in cheek (see terminal smiley) comment
was about the (non) inconvenience of one SATA port to one SATA device.

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dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
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Andrew Wilson

dadiOH said:
Uh, I *love* SATA for all the reasons you listed - and which I snipped in
the interest of brevity. My tongue in cheek (see terminal smiley) comment
was about the (non) inconvenience of one SATA port to one SATA device.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

Running WinXP with SP3 with MS-7357 (V1.0) board.

I bought a
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Port-Expans...7GG0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298736617&sr=8-1
card as suggested and have installed it along with the latest drivers from
the Pluscom site.

I then shut down and connected the two SATA DVD rewriters that I had bought,
rebooted and nothing. According to Device Manager the SATA card is working
fine but the DVD rewriters are not showing.

I then removed one of the DVD rewriters and connected it directly to the
spare SATA port on the actual board itself and Windows found it and it is
showing in My Computer and is working perfectly OK.

The other DVD rewriter connected to the new card still isn't showing. Power
is connected OK because the tray is operable and the green light on the
front is showing but it still doesn't show up in My Computer.

Any ideas please?

Many thanks
Andrew
 
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SC Tom

Andrew Wilson said:
Running WinXP with SP3 with MS-7357 (V1.0) board.

I bought a
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Port-Expans...7GG0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298736617&sr=8-1
card as suggested and have installed it along with the latest drivers from
the Pluscom site.

I then shut down and connected the two SATA DVD rewriters that I had
bought, rebooted and nothing. According to Device Manager the SATA card is
working fine but the DVD rewriters are not showing.

I then removed one of the DVD rewriters and connected it directly to the
spare SATA port on the actual board itself and Windows found it and it is
showing in My Computer and is working perfectly OK.

The other DVD rewriter connected to the new card still isn't showing.
Power is connected OK because the tray is operable and the green light on
the front is showing but it still doesn't show up in My Computer.

Any ideas please?

Many thanks
Andrew

Did you read the reviews on the card? There seem to be a number of driver
and SATA version compatibility problems. If your drives are new than SATA
1.0, look in their documentation and see if there is a jumper you can use to
restrict it to SATA 1.0.

Even though Amazon says it's compatible with SATA 2.0, this site says no:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals/serial-ata_raid/vt6421a/
 
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Andrew Wilson

SC Tom said:
Did you read the reviews on the card? There seem to be a number of driver
and SATA version compatibility problems. If your drives are new than SATA
1.0, look in their documentation and see if there is a jumper you can use
to restrict it to SATA 1.0.

Even though Amazon says it's compatible with SATA 2.0, this site says no:

http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/peripherals/serial-ata_raid/vt6421a/
Thanks, Tom.
I did read the reviews and understood there was a discepancy about SATA 1.0
and 2.0. The DVD rewriters came with no documentation just the unit in a
box. There are no jumpers on the back of the unit just the power connection
jumper and SATA cable jumper.
Regards
Andrew
PS I don't really understand what RAID is but know it's something to do with
hard disks. If the drivers that I installed were RAID enabled would this
prevent a simple DVD rewriter from working?
 
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VanguardLH

Andrew said:
Running WinXP with SP3 with MS-7357 (V1.0) board.

I bought a
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Port-Expans...7GG0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1298736617&sr=8-1
card as suggested and have installed it along with the latest drivers from
the Pluscom site.

I then shut down and connected the two SATA DVD rewriters that I had bought,
rebooted and nothing. According to Device Manager the SATA card is working
fine but the DVD rewriters are not showing.

I then removed one of the DVD rewriters and connected it directly to the
spare SATA port on the actual board itself and Windows found it and it is
showing in My Computer and is working perfectly OK.

The other DVD rewriter connected to the new card still isn't showing. Power
is connected OK because the tray is operable and the green light on the
front is showing but it still doesn't show up in My Computer.

Any ideas please?

Many thanks
Andrew

I can only find the Amazon storefront (site) for this manufacturer. I
cannot find that they have their own web site. I had to Google to find
their web site at:

http://www.mhpcomputerservices.com/

They don't support the products they sell. Guess you have to find the
device manufacturer's web site for support. The Amazon storefront for
MHP says the card you mention is made by Pluscom. Yeah, good luck
finding that maker's web site from anything listed at Amazon. Back to
Google again to find pluscom.cn (.cn = China). Doesn't look like their
site even works (just some minimal work in progress). Okay, I give up
doing the support lookup for you since I'm not bothering to translate a
Chinese site to see if they have a manual that tells you which driver to
install. If they have non-RAID and RAID drivers for their card, use the
non-RAID drivers. You can't RAID the optical drives. Also, because
this card would have to supply its own BIOS, you would have to watch the
bootup of your host to see just after the POST screen (but before the OS
loads) if they prompt you to hit a key combo to go into their BIOS
setup.
 
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Andrew Wilson

VanguardLH said:
I can only find the Amazon storefront (site) for this manufacturer. I
cannot find that they have their own web site. I had to Google to find
their web site at:

http://www.mhpcomputerservices.com/

They don't support the products they sell. Guess you have to find the
device manufacturer's web site for support. The Amazon storefront for
MHP says the card you mention is made by Pluscom. Yeah, good luck
finding that maker's web site from anything listed at Amazon. Back to
Google again to find pluscom.cn (.cn = China). Doesn't look like their
site even works (just some minimal work in progress). Okay, I give up
doing the support lookup for you since I'm not bothering to translate a
Chinese site to see if they have a manual that tells you which driver to
install. If they have non-RAID and RAID drivers for their card, use the
non-RAID drivers. You can't RAID the optical drives. Also, because
this card would have to supply its own BIOS, you would have to watch the
bootup of your host to see just after the POST screen (but before the OS
loads) if they prompt you to hit a key combo to go into their BIOS
setup.

Now sorted!!
I went back to basics and removed the card then tried a different PCI slot
on the board. Windows found it and I restarted as instructed and then
installed the software that came with the card. OK so far, then I attached
the SATA cable from the backup hard disk into the front port of the card.
Nothing - dead as a dodo.
I removed the cable and inserted it into the other remaining port. The
backup hard disk cranked into life and the backup drive was now showing in
'My Computer'.
Success!!
It seems that the front port of the card is dead and I don't know whether to
send it back and get a PCIe card or live with the fact that the card was
dirt cheap and one port is better than none!!
Thanks everyone for your assistance.
Regards
Andrew
 
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SC Tom

Andrew Wilson said:
Now sorted!!
I went back to basics and removed the card then tried a different PCI slot
on the board. Windows found it and I restarted as instructed and then
installed the software that came with the card. OK so far, then I attached
the SATA cable from the backup hard disk into the front port of the card.
Nothing - dead as a dodo.
I removed the cable and inserted it into the other remaining port. The
backup hard disk cranked into life and the backup drive was now showing in
'My Computer'.
Success!!
It seems that the front port of the card is dead and I don't know whether
to send it back and get a PCIe card or live with the fact that the card
was dirt cheap and one port is better than none!!
Thanks everyone for your assistance.
Regards
Andrew

Amazon US has free returns/exchanges on defective parts, and I would think
the UK would be the same. You should contact them about getting a new one.
If the one port is defective out of the box, who knows how long the others
will last?
 
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VanguardLH

Andrew said:
Now sorted!!
I went back to basics and removed the card then tried a different PCI slot
on the board. Windows found it and I restarted as instructed and then
installed the software that came with the card. OK so far, then I attached
the SATA cable from the backup hard disk into the front port of the card.
Nothing - dead as a dodo.
I removed the cable and inserted it into the other remaining port. The
backup hard disk cranked into life and the backup drive was now showing in
'My Computer'.
Success!!
It seems that the front port of the card is dead and I don't know whether to
send it back and get a PCIe card or live with the fact that the card was
dirt cheap and one port is better than none!!
Thanks everyone for your assistance.
Regards
Andrew

It's possible with 3 ports that only 2 are really supported (from one
controller chip). There might be a jumper on the card where you select
which 2 out of the 3 ports get connected to the controller chip, or that
might be something you do in its BIOS (and why I mentioned looking for a
prompt after the POST screen to go into the BIOS for the card).
 

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