salvage erased files?

[bob]

Today a user accidentally deleted some files stored on the server. Is there
no way to retreve them? is there a third party utility to do this. They are
spoiled as our old netware 411 server had that feature. The files were
created today and handnt yet been backed up to tape.

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

I don't know if it will work after the fact, but check out network undelete
software - www.undelete.com is one I'm aware of, but I haven't used it.

 

[bob]

Thanks, I'm checking it out.I've always had the users files stored on the
server so they get backed up, but this loses the recyclebin function. I'm
not clear about the way 2000 works with local drives. I discovered the
backup file for my user folder was much bigger than what was stored in my
user folder on the folder. Subsequently, it seems that win2k was backing up
the my documents folder on C along with my server located folder. Could you
you direct me to an explanation of how this works? Maybe I should have the
users dat on their cdrives, I'm not sure.
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Hi - inline

Thanks, I'm checking it out.I've always had the users files stored on
the server so they get backed up, but this loses the recyclebin
function.

Yes. Recycle bin works only for local folders.

I'm not clear about the way 2000 works with local drives.

I discovered the backup file for my user folder was much bigger than
what was stored in my user folder on the folder.

What backup file?

Subsequently, it

seems that win2k was backing up the my documents folder on C along
with my server located folder. Could you you direct me to an
explanation of how this works? Maybe I should have the users dat on
their cdrives, I'm not sure.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to roaming profiles, folder
redirection via policy, ????

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

 

[bob]

It appears that win2k stores a backup copy of a users my documents folder in
the users folder on the server. At least it was storing mine. When I looked
at my nightly backup of the user folders it seemed much larger than
expected. When I moved some large files out of c: my documents folder, the
size of the server user folders backup deceased correspondingly. If this is
true I wonder if I should have users store their data in their local my
documents folders assuming they will be copied to the server user folder and
backed up with it. The user in question had mistakenly erased some autocad
files that had been modified by him that day. He will have to request these
dwgs again from the customer and redo all the work that was lost. This
wouldnt have been necessary if they were stored on C:
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

Hi - inline

Thanks, I'm checking it out.I've always had the users files stored on
the server so they get backed up, but this loses the recyclebin
function.

Yes. Recycle bin works only for local folders.

I'm not clear about the way 2000 works with local drives.

I discovered the backup file for my user folder was much bigger than
what was stored in my user folder on the folder.

What backup file?

Subsequently, it

seems that win2k was backing up the my documents folder on C along
with my server located folder. Could you you direct me to an
explanation of how this works? Maybe I should have the users dat on
their cdrives, I'm not sure.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to roaming profiles, folder
redirection via policy, ????

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

It appears that win2k stores a backup copy of a users my documents
folder in the users folder on the server. At least it was storing
mine. When I looked at my nightly backup of the user folders it
seemed much larger than expected. When I moved some large files out
of c: my documents folder, the size of the server user folders
backup deceased correspondingly. If this is true I wonder if I
should have users store their data in their local my documents
folders assuming they will be copied to the server user folder and
backed up with it. The user in question had mistakenly erased some
autocad files that had been modified by him that day. He will have to
request these dwgs again from the customer and redo all the work that
was lost. This wouldnt have been necessary if they were stored on C:

If you're using roaming profiles, the My Documents folder in their profile
folder will sync to the server at logoff. It's best to use folder
redirection (through a policy) or manually point My Documents to the user's
home directory on the server. Keep your profile folders as small as
possible - this will also improve performance on login/logout.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

Hi - inline

Thanks, I'm checking it out.I've always had the users files stored
on the server so they get backed up, but this loses the recyclebin
function.

Yes. Recycle bin works only for local folders.

I'm not clear about the way 2000 works with local drives.

I discovered the backup file for my user folder was much bigger than
what was stored in my user folder on the folder.

What backup file?

Subsequently, it

seems that win2k was backing up the my documents folder on C along
with my server located folder. Could you you direct me to an
explanation of how this works? Maybe I should have the users dat on
their cdrives, I'm not sure.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to roaming profiles, folder
redirection via policy, ????

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

message I don't know if it will work after the fact, but check out network
undelete software - www.undelete.com is one I'm aware of, but I
haven't used it.

bob wrote:
Today a user accidentally deleted some files stored on the server.
Is there no way to retreve them? is there a third party utility to
do this. They are spoiled as our old netware 411 server had that
feature. The files were created today and handnt yet been backed
up to tape.

 

[bob]

I guess my users are spoiled from the days of netware's salvage utility.
I'm still pretty new to windows server software. It seems a big step
backward to lose the unerase capabilty we've grown used to from the days of
windows 95, or apple before that. I suppose I could do some kind of backup
of selected users local data as an alternative to large profile folders.
I've always set up applications to store data files on the server. This
incident makes me wonder if that is wise. I cant get money to buy after
market solutions right now. I'm surpised this feature is missing.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

It appears that win2k stores a backup copy of a users my documents
folder in the users folder on the server. At least it was storing
mine. When I looked at my nightly backup of the user folders it
seemed much larger than expected. When I moved some large files out
of c: my documents folder, the size of the server user folders
backup deceased correspondingly. If this is true I wonder if I
should have users store their data in their local my documents
folders assuming they will be copied to the server user folder and
backed up with it. The user in question had mistakenly erased some
autocad files that had been modified by him that day. He will have to
request these dwgs again from the customer and redo all the work that
was lost. This wouldnt have been necessary if they were stored on C:

If you're using roaming profiles, the My Documents folder in their profile
folder will sync to the server at logoff. It's best to use folder
redirection (through a policy) or manually point My Documents to the user's
home directory on the server. Keep your profile folders as small as
possible - this will also improve performance on login/logout.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

Hi - inline
bob wrote:
Thanks, I'm checking it out.I've always had the users files stored
on the server so they get backed up, but this loses the recyclebin
function.

Yes. Recycle bin works only for local folders.

I'm not clear about the way 2000 works with local drives.
I discovered the backup file for my user folder was much bigger than
what was stored in my user folder on the folder.

What backup file?

Subsequently, it
seems that win2k was backing up the my documents folder on C along
with my server located folder. Could you you direct me to an
explanation of how this works? Maybe I should have the users dat on
their cdrives, I'm not sure.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to roaming profiles, folder
redirection via policy, ????

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
message I don't know if it will work after the fact, but check out network
undelete software - www.undelete.com is one I'm aware of, but I
haven't used it.

bob wrote:
Today a user accidentally deleted some files stored on the server.
Is there no way to retreve them? is there a third party utility to
do this. They are spoiled as our old netware 411 server had that
feature. The files were created today and handnt yet been backed
up to tape.

 

[Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]]

Inline -

I guess my users are spoiled from the days of netware's salvage
utility. I'm still pretty new to windows server software. It seems a
big step backward to lose the unerase capabilty we've grown used to
from the days of windows 95, or apple before that.

Well, it's the server OS, not the client, that's the issue. I often miss
salvage too. But www.undelete.com works pretty well.

I suppose I could
do some kind of backup of selected users local data as an alternative
to large profile folders.

If you do the redirect I recommended, of My Documents to the user's home
directory, you don't have much to worry about, and you did mention that you
were using roaming profiles, which will copy the rest of the profile data to
the user's profile share you specified in ADUC.

I've always set up applications to store

data files on the server. This incident makes me wonder if that is
wise.

It is - that wasn't the problem. You are doing backups on the server
nightly, right? If people are storing all their data there, and log out so
the files won't be locked/in use when the backup runs, you are unlikely to
lose anything unless they created something and then deleted it before the
backup ran...

I cant get money to buy after market solutions right now. I'm
surpised this feature is missing.

Alas, but it is. If you don't have the budget to go for third party
solutions, tell people to be very careful when they create and then delete
files in the same day

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

It appears that win2k stores a backup copy of a users my documents
folder in the users folder on the server. At least it was storing
mine. When I looked at my nightly backup of the user folders it
seemed much larger than expected. When I moved some large files out
of c: my documents folder, the size of the server user folders
backup deceased correspondingly. If this is true I wonder if I
should have users store their data in their local my documents
folders assuming they will be copied to the server user folder and
backed up with it. The user in question had mistakenly erased some
autocad files that had been modified by him that day. He will have
to request these dwgs again from the customer and redo all the work
that was lost. This wouldnt have been necessary if they were stored
on C:

If you're using roaming profiles, the My Documents folder in their
profile folder will sync to the server at logoff. It's best to use
folder redirection (through a policy) or manually point My Documents
to the user's home directory on the server. Keep your profile
folders as small as possible - this will also improve performance on
login/logout.

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
message Hi - inline
bob wrote:
Thanks, I'm checking it out.I've always had the users files stored
on the server so they get backed up, but this loses the recyclebin
function.

Yes. Recycle bin works only for local folders.

I'm not clear about the way 2000 works with local drives.
I discovered the backup file for my user folder was much bigger
than what was stored in my user folder on the folder.

What backup file?

Subsequently, it
seems that win2k was backing up the my documents folder on C along
with my server located folder. Could you you direct me to an
explanation of how this works? Maybe I should have the users dat
on their cdrives, I'm not sure.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to roaming profiles,
folder redirection via policy, ????

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
in message I don't know if it will work after the fact, but check out
network undelete software - www.undelete.com is one I'm aware
of, but I haven't used it.

bob wrote:
Today a user accidentally deleted some files stored on the
server. Is there no way to retreve them? is there a third party
utility to do this. They are spoiled as our old netware 411
server had that feature. The files were created today and
handnt yet been backed up to tape.

 

[bob]

Thanks for your advice on this. I appreciate your taking the time to
answer. I'll come up with some kind of solution.
"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

Inline -

I guess my users are spoiled from the days of netware's salvage
utility. I'm still pretty new to windows server software. It seems a
big step backward to lose the unerase capabilty we've grown used to
from the days of windows 95, or apple before that.

Well, it's the server OS, not the client, that's the issue. I often miss
salvage too. But www.undelete.com works pretty well.

I suppose I could
do some kind of backup of selected users local data as an alternative
to large profile folders.

If you do the redirect I recommended, of My Documents to the user's home
directory, you don't have much to worry about, and you did mention that you
were using roaming profiles, which will copy the rest of the profile data to
the user's profile share you specified in ADUC.

I've always set up applications to store

data files on the server. This incident makes me wonder if that is
wise.

It is - that wasn't the problem. You are doing backups on the server
nightly, right? If people are storing all their data there, and log out so
the files won't be locked/in use when the backup runs, you are unlikely to
lose anything unless they created something and then deleted it before the
backup ran...

I cant get money to buy after market solutions right now. I'm
surpised this feature is missing.

Alas, but it is. If you don't have the budget to go for third party
solutions, tell people to be very careful when they create and then delete
files in the same day

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"

bob wrote:
It appears that win2k stores a backup copy of a users my documents
folder in the users folder on the server. At least it was storing
mine. When I looked at my nightly backup of the user folders it
seemed much larger than expected. When I moved some large files out
of c: my documents folder, the size of the server user folders
backup deceased correspondingly. If this is true I wonder if I
should have users store their data in their local my documents
folders assuming they will be copied to the server user folder and
backed up with it. The user in question had mistakenly erased some
autocad files that had been modified by him that day. He will have
to request these dwgs again from the customer and redo all the work
that was lost. This wouldnt have been necessary if they were stored
on C:

If you're using roaming profiles, the My Documents folder in their
profile folder will sync to the server at logoff. It's best to use
folder redirection (through a policy) or manually point My Documents
to the user's home directory on the server. Keep your profile
folders as small as possible - this will also improve performance on
login/logout.


"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
message Hi - inline
bob wrote:
Thanks, I'm checking it out.I've always had the users files stored
on the server so they get backed up, but this loses the recyclebin
function.

Yes. Recycle bin works only for local folders.

I'm not clear about the way 2000 works with local drives.
I discovered the backup file for my user folder was much bigger
than what was stored in my user folder on the folder.

What backup file?

Subsequently, it
seems that win2k was backing up the my documents folder on C along
with my server located folder. Could you you direct me to an
explanation of how this works? Maybe I should have the users dat
on their cdrives, I'm not sure.

Not sure what you mean. Are you referring to roaming profiles,
folder redirection via policy, ????

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
in message I don't know if it will work after the fact, but check out
network undelete software - www.undelete.com is one I'm aware
of, but I haven't used it.

bob wrote:
Today a user accidentally deleted some files stored on the
server. Is there no way to retreve them? is there a third party
utility to do this. They are spoiled as our old netware 411
server had that feature. The files were created today and
handnt yet been backed up to tape.