running the backup utility

[Guest]

i can not use the backup utility the way I want to. I want to save the data
to cd-rom, but my computer will only allow the system tool to be written to a
floppy. i will need around twenty floppies to do this.

 

[David H. Lipman]

Get a third party backup program. Software like MS NTBackup is NOT a full product. that is
why it is included for free.

Dave




| i can not use the backup utility the way I want to. I want to save the data
| to cd-rom, but my computer will only allow the system tool to be written to a
| floppy. i will need around twenty floppies to do this.

 

[Jerold Schulman]

i can not use the backup utility the way I want to. I want to save the data
to cd-rom, but my computer will only allow the system tool to be written to a
floppy. i will need around twenty floppies to do this.

You can backup to the HD and then burn the CD.
You can do this in batch by using the NTBackup command-line.
See tip 2265 in the 'Tips & Tricks' at http://www.jsiinc.com for a command-line example.


Jerold Schulman
Windows: General MVP
JSI, Inc.
http://www.jsiinc.com

 

[Guest]

MS NTBackup IS a full product, but it's intended for *professional*
use. CDs are not even remotely comparable with tapes in terms of
capacity. That's why CDs are not supported.

 

[David H. Lipman]

No, it is not a "full version" software !

It is a scaled back version of Veritas backup software. The full version of Veritas
software *will* work with both CD and DVD. NTBackup is not intended for professional use as
it is *extremely* limited. Professionals, like myself, use software such as Computer
Associates Arcserve 11.

If it was truly a worthwhile application, it would NOT be included for free with the OS.

Dave



| MS NTBackup IS a full product, but it's intended for *professional*
| use. CDs are not even remotely comparable with tapes in terms of
| capacity. That's why CDs are not supported.
| --
| http://www.firestreamer.com - NTBACKUP to DVD and DV
|
|
| > Get a third party backup program. Software like MS NTBackup is NOT a full product. that
is
| > why it is included for free.
| >
| > Dave
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | i can not use the backup utility the way I want to. I want to save the data
| > | to cd-rom, but my computer will only allow the system tool to be written to a
| > | floppy. i will need around twenty floppies to do this.

 

[Guest]

It is a scaled back version of Veritas backup software

It was many years ago. Now it's a different product.

If it was truly a worthwhile application, it would NOT be included for free > with the OS.

You can say the same about IE, IIS, Terminal Services and so on. They
are all free, extremely limited, however a lot of people use them

*extremely* limited

Could you elaborate, apart from remote agents and advanced scheduling?
No offence, I'm just curious.

Cheers

 

[David H. Lipman]

You mean besides not handling Robotic tape sub-systems ?
Not doing disaster recovery ?
Not having a separate job database ?
Not being able to perform pre and post job functions ?
Not having a job alert capability ?
Not being able to handle open file handles ?
Not being able to multitask tape jobs ?

It is a scaled back version and incomplete. It was that with with the Win9x version from
Veritas and it is true with the NT based version.

Dave



| > It is a scaled back version of Veritas backup software
|
| It was many years ago. Now it's a different product.
|
| > If it was truly a worthwhile application, it would NOT be included for free > with the
OS.
|
| You can say the same about IE, IIS, Terminal Services and so on. They
| are all free, extremely limited, however a lot of people use them
|
| > *extremely* limited
|
| Could you elaborate, apart from remote agents and advanced scheduling?
| No offence, I'm just curious.
|
| Cheers
|
|
| > No, it is not a "full version" software !
| >
| > It is a scaled back version of Veritas backup software. The full version of Veritas
| > software *will* work with both CD and DVD. NTBackup is not intended for professional
use as
| > it is *extremely* limited. Professionals, like myself, use software such as Computer
| > Associates Arcserve 11.
| >
| > If it was truly a worthwhile application, it would NOT be included for free with the OS.
| >
| > Dave
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | MS NTBackup IS a full product, but it's intended for *professional*
| > | use. CDs are not even remotely comparable with tapes in terms of
| > | capacity. That's why CDs are not supported.
| > | --
| > | http://www.firestreamer.com - NTBACKUP to DVD and DV
| > |
| > |
| > | > | > Get a third party backup program. Software like MS NTBackup is NOT a full product.
that
| > is
| > | > why it is included for free.
| > | >
| > | > Dave
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | i can not use the backup utility the way I want to. I want to save the data
| > | > | to cd-rom, but my computer will only allow the system tool to be written to a
| > | > | floppy. i will need around twenty floppies to do this.

 

[Guest]

You mean besides not handling Robotic tape sub-systems ?

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sbs/2000/maintain/bkuprcvr.mspx
<<Windows 2000 can back up files to a variety of storage devices,
including a tape drive, logical drive, physical drive, removable disk,
network share, or a library of disks or tapes organized into a media
pool and controlled by a robotic changer.>>

http://www.microsoft.com/canada/smallbiz/sgc/articles/ntbackup.mspx
<<The backup storage can be a hard disk drive, a separate storage
device such as a tape drive, or an entire library of tapes organized
and controlled by a robotic changer.>>

Not doing disaster recovery ?

Windows Automatic System Recovery?

Not being able to handle open file handles ?

Volume shadow copy?

Not being able to multitask tape jobs ?
Not being able to perform pre and post job functions ?
Not having a separate job database ?
Not having a job alert capability ?

This is rather cosmetic, and can be solved with batch files.

It is a scaled back version and incomplete. It was that with with the Win9x version from
Veritas and it is true with the NT based version.

Since Win9x it's a Microsoft product. I am far from saying ntbackup is
perfect, but it's good enough for its purpose, at least the latest
versions beginning with XP.

 

[David H. Lipman]

Replies are inline...
|
| > You mean besides not handling Robotic tape sub-systems ?
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sbs/2000/maintain/bkuprcvr.mspx
| <<Windows 2000 can back up files to a variety of storage devices,
| including a tape drive, logical drive, physical drive, removable disk,
| network share, or a library of disks or tapes organized into a media
| pool and controlled by a robotic changer.>>
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/canada/smallbiz/sgc/articles/ntbackup.mspx
| <<The backup storage can be a hard disk drive, a separate storage
| device such as a tape drive, or an entire library of tapes organized
| and controlled by a robotic changer.>>
|
| > Not doing disaster recovery ?
|
| Windows Automatic System Recovery?

Not the same...


|
| > Not being able to handle open file handles ?
|
| Volume shadow copy?

Won't repeat a backup attempt X times and then try again at the end of a job.

|
| > Not being able to multitask tape jobs ?
| > Not being able to perform pre and post job functions ?
| > Not having a separate job database ?
| > Not having a job alert capability ?
|
| This is rather cosmetic, and can be solved with batch files.

It is not cosmetic to backup two servers to two different tape drives at the same time nor
to perform a given funtion on the onset of a job or at the job's completion.


|
| > It is a scaled back version and incomplete. It was that with with the Win9x version
from
| > Veritas and it is true with the NT based version.
|
| Since Win9x it's a Microsoft product. I am far from saying ntbackup is
| perfect, but it's good enough for its purpose, at least the latest
| versions beginning with XP.


I wouldn't *trust* NTBackup for my servers. I have multiple wide-SCSI AIT2 tape drives and
a ADIC 213 (dual - diff. wide-SCSI DLT drives with 17 bay robotic system [bay 17 cleaning
tape]) and I use Arcserve 11.1 on my Win2003 server. NTBackup, that comes stock with the
OS from Veritas doesn't compare. However, the version you *BUY* is.

http://www.veritas.com/Products/www?c=product&refId=57

news://news.support.veritas.com/veritas.backupexec.windowsnt.english

Dave

 

[Mike Schumann]

I have a small business with 10 employees running Windows Server 2003. I
can barely afford Windows Server. I don't have a budget for any 3rd party
backup software. If it weren't for NTBackup, I would be screwed. It may
not be perfect for someone with an unlimitted budget, but it meets a need.

Mike Schumann

Replies are inline...
|
| > You mean besides not handling Robotic tape sub-systems ?
|
|
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sbs/2000/maintain/bkuprcvr.mspx
| <<Windows 2000 can back up files to a variety of storage devices,
| including a tape drive, logical drive, physical drive, removable disk,
| network share, or a library of disks or tapes organized into a media
| pool and controlled by a robotic changer.>>
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/canada/smallbiz/sgc/articles/ntbackup.mspx
| <<The backup storage can be a hard disk drive, a separate storage
| device such as a tape drive, or an entire library of tapes organized
| and controlled by a robotic changer.>>
|
| > Not doing disaster recovery ?
|
| Windows Automatic System Recovery?

Not the same...


|
| > Not being able to handle open file handles ?
|
| Volume shadow copy?

Won't repeat a backup attempt X times and then try again at the end of a
job.

|
| > Not being able to multitask tape jobs ?
| > Not being able to perform pre and post job functions ?
| > Not having a separate job database ?
| > Not having a job alert capability ?
|
| This is rather cosmetic, and can be solved with batch files.

It is not cosmetic to backup two servers to two different tape drives at
the same time nor
to perform a given funtion on the onset of a job or at the job's
completion.


|
| > It is a scaled back version and incomplete. It was that with with the
Win9x version
from
| > Veritas and it is true with the NT based version.
|
| Since Win9x it's a Microsoft product. I am far from saying ntbackup is
| perfect, but it's good enough for its purpose, at least the latest
| versions beginning with XP.


I wouldn't *trust* NTBackup for my servers. I have multiple wide-SCSI
AIT2 tape drives and
a ADIC 213 (dual - diff. wide-SCSI DLT drives with 17 bay robotic system
[bay 17 cleaning
tape]) and I use Arcserve 11.1 on my Win2003 server. NTBackup, that
comes stock with the
OS from Veritas doesn't compare. However, the version you *BUY* is.

http://www.veritas.com/Products/www?c=product&refId=57

news://news.support.veritas.com/veritas.backupexec.windowsnt.english

Dave

 

[Mike Schumann]

If you're going to do that, why not just burn the files directly to the CD?
That would be a lot less hassle.

Mike Schumann

 

[David H. Lipman]

Because NTBackup can't handle that. You need third party software.

And to reply to your other post, if it came down to catastrophe.. What is the cost if you
loose data and NTBackup can't restore the data properly ? That is where doing a Cost
Benefit Analysis goes into the "grey" area of - what if....

Dave




| If you're going to do that, why not just burn the files directly to the CD?
| That would be a lot less hassle.
|
| Mike Schumann
|
| | > On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:29:05 -0800, "MCiorra"
| >
| >>i can not use the backup utility the way I want to. I want to save the
| >>data
| >>to cd-rom, but my computer will only allow the system tool to be written
| >>to a
| >>floppy. i will need around twenty floppies to do this.
| >
| > You can backup to the HD and then burn the CD.
| > You can do this in batch by using the NTBackup command-line.
| > See tip 2265 in the 'Tips & Tricks' at http://www.jsiinc.com for a
| > command-line example.
| >
| >
| > Jerold Schulman
| > Windows: General MVP
| > JSI, Inc.
| > http://www.jsiinc.com
|
|