Runing out of Memory

[Guest]

I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
physical ram.

I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
day.

See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg

This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.

What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
using les than 30% of PF.

Where is the bottleneck??

Any help would be appreciated!

 

[Guest]

I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
physical ram.

I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
day.

See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg

This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.

What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
using les than 30% of PF.

Where is the bottleneck??

Any help would be appreciated!

have you run a virus scan?

Flamer.

 

[Guest]

Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.

 

[Bassplayer12]

Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.

Cleaned the registry ?

 

[C.Joseph Drayton]

I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
physical ram.

I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
day.

See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg

This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.

What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
using les than 30% of PF.

Where is the bottleneck??

Any help would be appreciated!

Hi Moshe,

The 'out of memory' issue is one that can be a little
confusing . . . there is a VERY special segment of memory
called the 'stack' the stack is used for storing pointers
and handles a lot of transient processing activities.
Unfortunately WindowsXP has a MAXIMUM stack size of 60,000B.

As a result, even though you may have 1GB of RAM free, if
you run out of stack space, you are in fact out of memory.
There are certain types of processes that eat up stack space
quite quickly (the most notorious is nested recursion (in
simplest terms, nested loops)).

64B OSes do not have that stack limitation.

More often then not you will find that it is one or two
programs that are really the culprit.

The other problem is that when some programs exit, they
don't clean-up after themselves. You've probably noticed
cases where you will exit a program then look in the task
manager under processes and see that the application left
processes open.

Then of course, there are the people who leave applications
open for days at a time. Programs like FireFox when you
first run it uses about 28MB. You leave it running for 24
hours, and you can see it using 100MB+. Its sister program
ThunderBird has the same fault. I know a lot of people who
keep ThunderBird open so that they know immediately when
they get a new e-mail and then start running into memory
problems because of the way ThunderBird grabs memory and
then doesn't release it when it no longer needs it.

Unfortunately, there is no cure-all. By using a program like
WhatsRunning you can see what is actually using up RAM and
CPU cycles.

Ciao . . . C.Joseph

"A promise is nothing more than an attempt,
to respond to an unreasonable request."

http://blog.tlerma.com/
(A Windows professional's view of entering the Linux world)

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Cleaned the registry ?

Running registry cleaners is one of the most dangerous things you can
do. I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners.
Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many
people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

 

[Gary Walker]

I'll certainly second that. I inherited the task of cleaning
up a Win/home system owned by a deceased elder rel-
ative. I'd really never even heard of a registry cleaner,
but apparently had been allowed onto the system via
any one of those endless - "Your System Needs This"
messages.

These elders seem just so fascinated with technology,
they'll simply positively acknowledge any unsolicited
message/request presented.

 

[Rock]

I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
physical ram.

I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
alt+tab,
minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
for a
day.

See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg

This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.

What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
using les than 30% of PF.

Where is the bottleneck??

Any help would be appreciated!

This could be an issue of heaps. See these articles:

Desktop Heap Limitations
http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2005/05/25/desktop-heap-limitations.aspx

PRB: User32.dll or Kernel32.dll fails to initialize
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184802/

 

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the fallacy you perpetuate that there is
no degradation of system performance
as a result of an imprecise and
poorly maintained registry database
is not with standing to those of the
experts and their facts posted here:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

besides, the o.p.'s issue doesn't appear
to be registry related.

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it is unfortunate,
but the troubles you
encountered were not
as a result of registry
cleaners.

rather they were due
to your lack of knowledge
and experience and you fell
victim to malware.

here is some knowledge from
the experts

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

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I'll certainly second that. I inherited the task of cleaning
up a Win/home system owned by a deceased elder rel-
ative. I'd really never even heard of a registry cleaner,
but apparently had been allowed onto the system via
any one of those endless - "Your System Needs This"
messages.

These elders seem just so fascinated with technology,
they'll simply positively acknowledge any unsolicited
message/request presented.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

the fallacy you perpetuate that there is
no degradation of system performance
as a result of an imprecise and
poorly maintained registry database

It's hardly a fallacy when no one has ever provided the slightest
evidence to support a claim of degraded performance cdaused by failing
to use an automated "cleaner." Particularly when years of first hand
experience (something you clearly lack) also demonstrates that there is
no such performance degradation.

This has been pointed out to you before, but you persist in lying.
Please cite even one independent laboratory report that supports your
claim. You won't be able to, you know.


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[rb]

Do a search on virtual memory.

I think maybe you need to have a higher setting for your virtual memory.
Low virtual memory settings can cause your system slowdown even though
there's plenty of physical RAM memory left available.

You might even want to download a program called Memory Zipper to help
automate your virtual memory settings. It costs approx $20. You don't
absolutely have to use some program to reset virtual memory for you. You
can reset your virtual memory manually fairly easily. Check this out:

http://www.helpbytes.co.uk/vmemory.php

Generally, a ballpark figure for virtual memory is approx 1.5x your RAM
memory size.

 

[Rock]

Do a search on virtual memory.

I think maybe you need to have a higher setting for your virtual memory.
Low virtual memory settings can cause your system slowdown even though
there's plenty of physical RAM memory left available.

You might even want to download a program called Memory Zipper to help
automate your virtual memory settings. It costs approx $20. You don't
absolutely have to use some program to reset virtual memory for you. You
can reset your virtual memory manually fairly easily. Check this out:

http://www.helpbytes.co.uk/vmemory.php

Generally, a ballpark figure for virtual memory is approx 1.5x your RAM
memory size.

Using a figure like 1.5x RAM is not really helpful. In general, the more
RAM there is the less the page file is used, so with more RAM 1.5x is too
much, and for a small amount of RAM 1.5x is too little. And this can be
affected by what apps are installed. Some place a heavier demand on the
page file.

Better is to download a utility to monitor actual page file use, not what is
allocated to the page file. With that you can set virtual memory to suite
the system. Yes, allocating more than is needed doesn't hurt, it just
wastes the space.

See this article by the late Alex Nichol, MVP on Virtual Memory in XP and
setting the page file.
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

 

[Plato]

I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
physical ram.

Do you have enough room on your hard drive for the default windows
page/swap file?

 

[Plato]

I think maybe you need to have a higher setting for your virtual memory.

Or perhapse the OP set a max on virtural ram, which is NOT recommended.
Or, the OP may just not have enough hard drive space left for a proper
page file size.

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?_db_=B4=AF`=B7.._=3E=3C=29=29=29=BA]

you have eyes but cannot
see or read with them.

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

again, there is a fallacy
that you believe to be
the smartest person on
earth and you and your
enablers enjoy control
and manipulation.

again, take your delusional
resume to Microsoft and
tell them what is best
for the program they made

you are no where near being
a software engineer, just
an engineer of a lonely
train to nowhere with a
few old riders sharing your
smelly caboose.

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[Bob I]

Please read this EXCERPT from the referenced page

"What if I accidentally remove something I need in my registry?

Not to worry. Just like Microsoft Word, your PC has an "undo" option. In
this case, it's called System Restore. Once it's finished scanning, the
Windows Live Safety scanner creates a System Restore point on your PC.
This allows you to revert your system to its original state, before you
performed the scan, in case you inadvertently remove any valid registry
items."

And if System Restore fails the user is reloading from scratch!
NOW CEASE and DESIST with your ignorant drivel!!!

 

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lack of knowledge and experience
is one's own undoing. there are
little reasons to "restore from scratch"
as you put it in your ill response.

microsoft engineered into their operating
system a number of safeguards and recovery
methods into "their operating system",
one of which is referred as "repair installation".

"you can do what you want". but when your
registry crashes because you did not
follow the advice from the experts at
the following link, then don't come
a cry-in and a lie-in

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

and certainly don't expect help from those
who preach against maintaining the
registry database a precision file and free
from erroneous data.


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[Bob I]

I'm sure you state that from your own experience, as it certainly fits
your case.

 

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;-)

yes, my machines run like
rolls royce's - finely tuned and
everything (most everything) is in
tune with the o.s., like an symphony.

because of this, whenever there
is a hick up due to something that was
not within my control or observation then
the problem sticks out rather than enshrouded
in a multitude of imprecise data, files and otherwise
pre existing problems.

it is whenever i have time that i
like to help others achieve
the same thing.

good luck with yours and
hopefully, your conceptions will
protect your from those terrorist
registry cleaners that are out to destroy
and corrupt the world, including the one
microsoft made for it's microsoft operating system.......!

"knowledge is power and
ignorance is submission" - db

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