Rules about copies of XP?

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Alias said:
The way modern medicine is going, you may not have to die at all!

Immortality doesn't have much appeal for me. I much prefer the concept
of attaining Nirvana, than that of eternal life, either in this life or
the next.

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kurttrail said:
Immortality doesn't have much appeal for me. I much prefer the concept of
attaining Nirvana, than that of eternal life, either in this life or the
next.

I was joking. Death, of course, is an expedient means to a higher condition
of life, sometimes referred to as Buddhahood. Are you Buddhist?

Alias
 
Leythos said:
Show me one link that indicates a case that shows the your
interpretation of the EULA allows anyone to do as they wish for
private use - I've not seen one case that directly addresses it. And
don't repost your same old drivel, it doesn't make your case any more
than your interpretation of what you are posting.

I don't have to all I have to do is have my interpretation of "fair
use," and as long as the copyright owner doesn't contest it in court and
win, then I have every right to follow my interpretation. MS hasn't
contested it in over the dozen or more years that it introduce its one
computer term into the Windows EULA, despite knowing that people have
disregarded it, because of their "fair use" rights.

In the Betamax case, the Supreme Court defined what "fair use" means
when it comes to individuals.

"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use." -
http://laws.findlaw.com/us/464/417.html

They didn't just limit individual "fair use" to that of a specific type
of copyrighted material in that case, but they left the definition broad
because individuals have to "fair use" of any type of copyrighted
material they have access to. It was one of the main rationales why
that the video recorder wasn't an infringement, because its main use
wasn't an infringement, that of individuals reproducing and using those
copies of copyrighted material.

The copyright owner "DOES NOT POSSESS THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO SUCH A
USE," of that where an individual may reproduce a COPYRIGHTED WORK as a
"FAIR USE."

So until MS exercises its obligation to use due diligence in protecting
what it thinks it does have a right to, any individual has the right to
"fair use" of the copyrighted material that is SOLD to them.

"Unfortunately, if the copyright owner disagrees with your fair use
interpretation, the dispute will have to be resolved by courts or
arbitration. If it's not a fair use, then you are infringing upon the
rights of the copyright owner and may be liable for damages." -
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.html

And it is the same with contract law. There is NO Law that makes
breaking a contract term illegal in and of itself. It is incumbent on
the licensor to excercise due diligence and bring those it believes has
violated it to court and get a court to agree with their violation claim
and to enforce it.

Let's take a look at SCO and IBM. Just because SCO claims that IBM has
violated the UNIX license, does that mean that IBM has violated it? No!
That's why we have courts settling contract disputes, because the
licensor is NOT the final authority when it comes to interpreting their
license!

So the ball is in you court. Show one quote with a link, that shows
that the individual must sue the copyright owner in order to validify
their interpretation of "fair use" first.

This is your challenge, put up, and show you are a man, or come back
with a meaningless contradiction yet again and show everyone that you
are just a blathering idiot.

Don't bother. Any rational human being knows how the laws work, and
know that it isn't up to the individual to prove anything unless the
copyright owner/licensor disputes it and wins in a REAL COURT OF LAW!
And any rational human being still reading this thread already knows
that you are just a blathering idiot, and not a man with any sense of
integrity!

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Alias said:
I was joking. Death, of course, is an expedient means to a higher
condition of life, sometimes referred to as Buddhahood. Are you
Buddhist?
Alias

I am spiritual, and like to pick and choose my beliefs from many
religions, but not follow any one religion.

Though I really like the sacraments and music of Rastafarianism, though
I don't believe in their "god." ;-)

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In
kurttrail said:
I don't have to all I have to do is have my interpretation of "fair
use," and as long as the copyright owner doesn't contest it in court
and win, then I have every right to follow my interpretation. MS hasn't
contested it in over the dozen or more years that it introduce its one
computer term into the Windows EULA, despite knowing that people have
disregarded it, because of their "fair use" rights.

In the Betamax case, the Supreme Court defined what "fair use" means
when it comes to individuals.

"Any individual may reproduce a copyrighted work for a "fair use"; the
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use." -
http://laws.findlaw.com/us/464/417.html

Gross misinterpretation and not linked to the subject of your advocating
theft. This case is regarding to copying of a TV movie or event for showing
later or as they called it - "time shifting." It doesn't touch on the theft
of services you advocate in any way.
Drivel snipped

Don't bother. Any rational human being knows how the laws work, and
know that it isn't up to the individual to prove anything unless the
copyright owner/licensor disputes it and wins in a REAL COURT OF LAW!
And any rational human being still reading this thread already knows
that you are just a blathering idiot, and not a man with any sense of
integrity!

More drivel, but the closest you come to an argument. As any thief knows -
you aren't legally guilty until taken to court and convicted. Any rational
human being knows this, but you seem to feel this makes you just or moral.
It just makes you a loud mouthed thief who sits and taunts the world to come
and get them. You are such an egomaniacal adolescent that in all
likelihood - you only have this software installed on one machine and lust
for the opportunity to draw MS into a PR nightmare. You're a typical
internet dummy who sits in anonymity thinking they can abuse the world with
"their" selfish beliefs that satisfy nothing but their desires. Your only
claim to winning is the ability you have to sit and beat the group up with
post after post of mindless drivel and abuse and carries less weight than
the text it contains.

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Ron said:
In

Gross misinterpretation and not linked to the subject of your
advocating theft. This case is regarding to copying of a TV movie or
event for showing later or as they called it - "time shifting." It
doesn't touch on the theft of services you advocate in any way.

Yes, you snip the explanation. The sentence I quote isn't limited to
just time-shifting, id the Supreme Court just meant time shifting then
the sentence would have read someting like "Any individual may
time-shift a Video material for a "fair use"; the Video Content
copyright owner does not possess the exclusive right to such a use."

They used this concept of "fair use" of any copyright material may be
reproduced for a "fair use." And no copyright owner has the exclusive
right to such a use. They didn't just limit individual "fair use" to
that of a specific type of copyrighted material in that case, but they
left the definition broad because individuals have to "fair use" of any
type of copyrighted material they have access to. It was one of the
main rationales why that the video recorder wasn't an infringement,
because its main use wasn't an infringement, that of individuals
reproducing and using those copies of copyrighted material.

Call it drivel, if you like, but that just shows how closed-minded you
are.
More drivel,

Yet you didn't cut it.
but the closest you come to an argument. As any thief
knows - you aren't legally guilty until taken to court and convicted.

LOL! There is no law that makes installing software that was legally
sold to an individual on more than one computer, theft.
Any rational human being knows this, but you seem to feel this makes
you just or moral.

It's what IBM has done with SCO over the UNIX license. The only
difference between these cases is that SCO has the balls to test their
licensing claims against IBM in a proper forum, that of the courts! MS
hasn't had the same balls as SCO does in more than the dozen years since
they added their One Computer Licensing claim for private non-commercial
use to their EULA
It just makes you a loud mouthed thief who sits
and taunts the world to come and get them.

Prove it. Make a citizens arrest! My address can be found in the
archives of this group! Come on Ronnie! Be a man! I dare you!
You are such an
egomaniacal adolescent that in all likelihood - you only have this
software installed on one machine and lust for the opportunity to
draw MS into a PR nightmare.

The Music Industry has the balls to weather their PR Nightmare over
file-sharing. A PR nightmare is not a valid excuse not to excerise due
diligence in protecting your percieved copyright rights and licencing
claims.
You're a typical internet dummy who
sits in anonymity thinking they can abuse the world with "their"
selfish beliefs that satisfy nothing but their desires.

It ain't selfish at all. I'm doing it for my fellow consumers that have
been ripped off by a proven copyright and patent thief! The convicted
predatory monopoly of Microsoft!

Not one private, non-commercial individual has EVER been charged with
either copyright infringement or breaking the terms of a post-sale
shrinkwarp license! They are the proven thiefs!

MICROSOFT IS!
Your only
claim to winning

Where did I claim "winning." Gee, now you have to lie. Typical.
is the ability you have to sit and beat the group up
with post after post of mindless drivel and abuse and carries less
weight than the text it contains.

Whatever. You showed your true colors in your post Ronnie!

You didn't dispute my main contention with Lameboy. That my
interpretation is valid unless the copyright owner disputes it and gets
a court to agree with them. And MS hasn't in over a dozen years of
knowing that that is just what its private non_commercial customers have
been doing.

We are not thieves, non of us have ever even been charged, and there is
no law or legal precedent that says we are thieves for installing
software on more than one computer is theft.

That is just MS and its sychophantic co-conspirators unsubstaniated
claim, which MS has been too chickensh*t to prove in a real court of law
for more than a dozen years, since MS added its one computer nonsence to
the Windows EULA, and claimed it applied to individuals for private
non-commercial use!

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Ron Bogart said:
In kurttrail <[email protected]> did no thinking and


It just makes you a loud mouthed thief who sits and taunts the world to
come and get them. You are such an egomaniacal adolescent that in all
likelihood - you only have this software installed on one machine and lust
for the opportunity to draw MS into a PR nightmare. You're a typical
internet dummy who sits in anonymity thinking they can abuse the world
with "their" selfish beliefs that satisfy nothing but their desires. Your
only claim to winning is the ability you have to sit and beat the group up
with post after post of mindless drivel and abuse and carries less weight
than the text it contains.

Isn't name calling thought of as trolling in the groups?

It's a shame that you play the microsoldier, defending the reich, while
avoiding real dialogue in debating real words.
 
More drivel, but the closest you come to an argument. As any thief knows -
you aren't legally guilty until taken to court and convicted. Any rational
human being knows this, but you seem to feel this makes you just or moral.
It just makes you a loud mouthed thief who sits and taunts the world to come
and get them. You are such an egomaniacal adolescent that in all
likelihood - you only have this software installed on one machine and lust
for the opportunity to draw MS into a PR nightmare. You're a typical
internet dummy who sits in anonymity thinking they can abuse the world with
"their" selfish beliefs that satisfy nothing but their desires. Your only
claim to winning is the ability you have to sit and beat the group up with
post after post of mindless drivel and abuse and carries less weight than
the text it contains.

Ron, he won't listen, he's got a very narrow ability to absorb
information, he only reads and understands what fits HIS position. He's a
lost cause and doesn't do anyone any good with those posts of his.
 
Isn't name calling thought of as trolling in the groups?

Only when it's used as a means to stir up sh|t about someone that's not
really a troll - and Kurt fits the Troll definition in many posts, and
most of the post related to the EULA and Licensing.
 
Leythos said:
Only when it's used as a means to stir up sh|t about someone that's not
really a troll - and Kurt fits the Troll definition in many posts, and
most of the post related to the EULA and Licensing.

How is kurt trolling with his valid view regarding the EULA and PA, other
than you, etals calling him a thief, and promoting such as that a thief
does?
 
Leythos said:
Ron, he won't listen, he's got a very narrow ability to absorb
information, he only reads and understands what fits HIS position. He's a
lost cause and doesn't do anyone any good with those posts of his.

Note, that you and more than likely Ron (self) Bogart, do not consider what
the side of the EULA kurt explains here. You make no valid retort regarding
his basis of how the EULA is wrong to him, then call him a thief, and pirate
promoting activities that are regarded as such. Yet, you have not once
invalidated his arguments regarding "fair use" while having no problem,
namecalling in the guise of snipping and replying to "out of" context quotes
that are nothing but impertinent.

What was that about "not" listening?
 
Note, that you and more than likely Ron (self) Bogart, do not consider what
the side of the EULA kurt explains here. You make no valid retort regarding
his basis of how the EULA is wrong to him, then call him a thief, and pirate
promoting activities that are regarded as such. Yet, you have not once
invalidated his arguments regarding "fair use" while having no problem,
namecalling in the guise of snipping and replying to "out of" context quotes
that are nothing but impertinent.

I hate to tell you this, but Kurt's only presented Opinions, and has not
presented anything that invalidates anything I've read on the EULA or even
additional comments from MS about licensing. You can follow his "Opinions"
because they lend themselves to what you want, but I don't see any
validity in his personal interpretation of the licensing agreement.

I don't snip out of context, I snip as needed to reply to a point.

As for name calling, trolls are often called Trolls. While some of what he
posts is not true trolling, it's most always setting up for the trolling
part that comes later in his posts. He (and you) have OPINIONS that are
nothing more than opinions - get use to it. There is no case to support
your positions, only opinions that something might or might not support
either site. Until you can show me a case concerning MS I don't and won't
see that drivel as more than just Opinion.

I have no problem with Kurt having an Opinion, but it's just an opinion.
 
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Cheap Wine and a Three Day Growth.

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There is a TV ad with two girls going on safari to africa. One girl says "are you taking all that razor stuff" and her friends said "Six weeks without shaving - I don't think so". Her friend shows her some cream. The ad ends with boys and girls having fun with shaven legs (apparantly a preresquite for fun).

WELL WHY DON'T I GET GUNK That prevents shaving for 6 weeks. Class action anyone?
 
Leythos said:
Ron, he won't listen, he's got a very narrow ability to absorb
information, he only reads and understands what fits HIS position.
He's a lost cause and doesn't do anyone any good with those posts of
his.

Again your wrong. I listen quit well and answered him practically line
for line. Ron didn't try and you are still avoiding disputing my FACT
that my interpretation of "fair use" is valid as long as the copyright
owner doesn't disagree and gets a court to agree with them, except for
repeating over and over again that it is just my opinion.

I think we rational people can see which people who are really refusing
to listen. The ones that need to snip and ignore what the other side
has written.

I don't run and hide from anything you "EULA über alles" guys says or
ask. I answer practically everything, and I hardly ever snip anything
ya'll say, and if I do acknowledge that I am. [At least Ronnie had the
common decency to acknowledge his snipping.] I back up my words with
words of laws, legal precedents, and commentary by universities. You
don't listen, you snip without acknowledging it, and you have your
mantra that it is just my opinion, yet refuse any challenge to try to
prove otherwise.

You are a pussy that has to hide and prevaricate and rely on meaningless
and simplistic refutations. I am a man of character. I don't hide from
anyone. I answer almost everything. I demonstrate my complete
understanding of both contract law and copyright law. I would be
ashamed to show my face, if I conducted myself in your manner, and all I
had to say in reply to someone was some gutless variation of "no, it
isn't."

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Tom said:
Note, that you and more than likely Ron (self) Bogart, do not
consider what the side of the EULA kurt explains here. You make no
valid retort regarding his basis of how the EULA is wrong to him,
then call him a thief, and pirate promoting activities that are
regarded as such. Yet, you have not once invalidated his arguments
regarding "fair use" while having no problem, namecalling in the
guise of snipping and replying to "out of" context quotes that are
nothing but impertinent.
What was that about "not" listening?

The "EULA über alles" boys can't listen, because then they'd see what
shaky ground MS EULA really is on when it comes to personal use rules.
And almost all of them are tied into MS is some fashion. Some are MVPs
like Ron, though the majority of MVPs avoid the EULA question like it
was the plague, the few that do get involved in the EULA question, are
totally resistant to listen to anything other than themselves. Another
group of EULA-groupies are those like Leythos, tied into MS through
their businesses. Leythos is a MS Partner.

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Leythos said:
I hate to tell you this, but Kurt's only presented Opinions, and has
not presented anything that invalidates anything I've read on the
EULA or even additional comments from MS about licensing. You can
follow his "Opinions" because they lend themselves to what you want,
but I don't see any validity in his personal interpretation of the
licensing agreement.

More meaningless refutation, without any demostration.
I don't snip out of context, I snip as needed to reply to a point.

Now he is simply lying.
As for name calling, trolls are often called Trolls. While some of
what he posts is not true trolling, it's most always setting up for
the trolling part that comes later in his posts. He (and you) have
OPINIONS that are nothing more than opinions - get use to it. There
is no case to support your positions, only opinions that something
might or might not support either site. Until you can show me a case
concerning MS I don't and won't see that drivel as more than just
Opinion.

It is not an opinion but a fact, that as long as the copyright owner
doesn't disagree with your interpretation of "fair use" and gets a court
to agree with them, that your interpretation of "fair use" is valid.
I have no problem with Kurt having an Opinion, but it's just an
opinion.

LOL! Yet you can't show that what I state is a fact, is only an
opinion! All you can do is mindlessly repeat that it is just an
opinion. You really have no shame at all! I feel sorry for you.

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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:39:47 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
[big snip - happy now?]
I would be ashamed to show my face, if I conducted myself in your
manner, and all I had to say in reply to someone was some gutless
variation of "no, it isn't."

I agree, you should hide your face.
 
[another big snip]
Another group of EULA-groupies are those like Leythos, tied into MS
through their businesses. Leythos is a MS Partner.

I've never hidden the fact that I'm a MS Partner and ISV, and I've never
tried to hide it. I'm no ashamed of my position or that I pay for all
licenses I use for the office or my home.
 
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:55:59 -0500, kurttrail wrote:
[another snip]
Yet you can't show that what I state is a fact, is only an opinion!

I'm not sure you meant to say that, as it's a fact that you are stating
your opinion, and that's a fact - that you are stating your Opinion. You
can't show me where your "opinion" is fact concerning your assertion that
you can do anything you want with the Software you've licensed from any
vendor. In all your posts, fair use, quotes from different site, I've not
seen anything directly in them that indicates the user has a right to do
anything they want with licensed software. I've seen your Opinion of what
you read in those texts, but your opinion doesn't make it right. Neither
side can show anything other than there is an EULA, there are MS
statements of what they want us to believe, and there is no case law that
indicates you can legally install their licensed software without regard
to the licensing.
 
Kurt, their is no absolute truth in law. It's all based on what some judge thought one morning. And if his/her coffee wasn't hot enough ....

All law is opinion.

In Australia we have Barristers and solicitors. Barristers argue in court and write legal opinions. Solicitors employ barristers to do one of the above. People only employ solicitors. Solictors can argue in local courts.

A barristor cannot work as a solicitor and vice versa. They have the same law degree. A solicitor is very unlikely to ever be a judge.

So any discourse on law is a discourse of opinions.
 
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