Rip-off artists

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soinie said:
Why don't you do it yourself? I don't need to convince myself that
I'm correct.

For one, because it is the burden of 'the accuser' to support the accusation.

Secondly, because I know it's a complete waste of time trying to find that
which does not exist.

You're a really well informed bastard; it wasn't made by "Hollywood".

The term is used to mean 'a movie' in general.
 
soinie said:
That's the current business model for the 21st century. Most things
in your home are manufactured at a pittance in a third world country
with a 3 to 4 hundred percent profit margin built in at the point of
sale. Corporate philosophy is one of pure exploitation. Go see the
movie, "The Corporation" for an enlightened perspective of what is
controlling the lives of most people on this planet..

Gee, since it is a movie, it MUST be true....
 
Kelly said:
Which makes your argument weaker than it was before.

If you think movies, and especially a blatant propaganda piece like that
one, are a reliable source of good factual 'real world' information then
you're living in a movie.
 
don't dismiss movies and theatrics as a form of information. Although its
exaggerated, media of any kind can be informative. Even so called 'spam' can
give info that is 'usable'.
 
JAD said:
don't dismiss movies and theatrics as a form of information. Although its
exaggerated, media of any kind can be informative. Even so called 'spam' can
give info that is 'usable'.

True, and there is often edible food to be found in garbage cans.
 
If you think movies, and especially a blatant propaganda piece like that
one, are a reliable source of good factual 'real world' information then
you're living in a movie.


How do you know it's a blatant propaganda piece? You still think it's
a "movie".
 
aether said:
The price of memory is increasing.

Rising DRAM prices could prompt vendors to cut bundled memory, analysts
warn.
April 21, 2004
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115776,00.asp

Good! Then let the free market correct the problem. If sales of PCs fall
because people don't want to buy systems with less bundled memory, then
memory makers will either have to find a way to lower their prices or PC
makers will have to find sources for lower-priced memory. The memory makers
can't make money if fewer people are buying their memory. That's how it
works.
 
JAD said:
don't dismiss movies and theatrics as a form of information. Although its
exaggerated, media of any kind can be informative. Even so called 'spam' can
give info that is 'usable'.

Oh, I agree and am not dismissing the potential usefulness of movies as a
thought provoking mechanism but I also would never use an obviously biased
propaganda piece, be it movie, print, or anything else, as 'supporting
evidence'.
 
That sums up the entire industry. The prices aren't coming down. The
prices have remained the same for the past six months. They pay cheap
laborers in Asia a few cents an hour to manufacture this hardware, and
then turn around and make a 1000% profit. I'd love to see this turned
on them. (e.g. mass produced hardware flood the market via Asia) One
look at the prices they're charging for video cards is all you need to
realize this.


Warner to sell cut-rate DVDs in China

The Associated Press
Updated: 5:00 p.m. ET Feb. 24, 2005


BEIJING - Taking its battle against rampant piracy of films and music
to the front lines, Warner Home Video said Thursday it will sell
cut-rate DVDs in China in a bid to compete on the counterfeiters' home
turf.

Basic DVDs, to be available shortly after a film's theatrical release,
will sell in China for as little as 22 yuan ($2.65), the company
announced. That's still more than the pirated versions readily
available in China for 8 yuan ($1).

"But we think with earlier availability, better quality, assured
quality, more sophisticated retailing and the fact that it's the real
thing, that we can compete," said Jim Cardwell, president of Warner
Home Video, a division of Time Warner Inc.

Warner's basic versions will not carry any DVD extras such as
directors' interviews and behind-the-scenes footage, the company said.

But versions with more features will be available a bit later for 28
yuan ($3.38).

The company hopes its efforts will convince the Chinese government to
do more to stamp out the fakes. "It's very difficult for a government
to pull product from its consumers when the manufacturers don't have a
legitimate alternative," Caldwell said.

Theft in China of copyrights and patents cost Western companies an
estimated $16 billion in lost sales each year. Despite sporadic
arrests, counterfeit books, DVDs and music are easily available on
almost every city street and even in shops.

As for how Warner would justify charging U.S. consumers far more for
DVDs, "I don't that's an issue," Caldwell said. "I think that
historically, prices of entertainment around the world have always
been different country to country."

Warner Home Video said it is distributing its cut-rate DVDs in a joint
venture with the state-owned company China Audio Video, becoming the
first U.S. studio to distribute and market DVDs inside China.

This year, the company plans to offer more than 125 movies to Chinese
consumers.

How much do you pay for a new DVD?
 
If you think movies, and especially a blatant propaganda piece like that
one, are a reliable source of good factual 'real world' information then
you're living in a movie.

Interesting outlook you've got there ... an entire class of information is
suspect because of the way it's recorded and transmitted, while those who
question this are somehow not quite right. I would at first think that
you're serious, but then I have to remember where I'm reading it. ;-)

In an effort to drag this thread back on topic (fruitless, I know), I'll
ask if mebbe someone could sell me two unopened sticks of 512MB PC3200
for, hmmmm ... twenty bucks. That's what I've got left in my pocket after
upgrading everything, so that's currently what my market can bear.

And if you think THAT sounds riculous, well, when I have the transaction
put on film you'll know that it couldn't POSSIBLY be for real.... ;-)
 
Interesting outlook you've got there ... an entire class of information is
suspect because of the way it's recorded and transmitted, while those who
question this are somehow not quite right. I would at first think that
you're serious, but then I have to remember where I'm reading it. ;-)

In an effort to drag this thread back on topic (fruitless, I know), I'll
ask if mebbe someone could sell me two unopened sticks of 512MB PC3200
for, hmmmm ... twenty bucks. That's what I've got left in my pocket after
upgrading everything, so that's currently what my market can bear.

And if you think THAT sounds riculous, well, when I have the transaction
put on film you'll know that it couldn't POSSIBLY be for real.... ;-)

Amazing how the truth becomes propaganda because it isn't part of the
corporate agenda.
 
soinie said:
Amazing how the truth becomes propaganda because it isn't part of the
corporate agenda.

Something is propaganda because of the techniques used, not necessarily
because of the position taken, and your statement is a small example of a
few. For one, the self righteous declaration of "truth" without supporting
evidence, as if a declaration is sufficient, simply because the material
apparently comports with your preconceived notions and, secondly, guilt by
association and the use of a presumed pejorative "corporate agenda" which
is, itself, a collection of bundled assumptions without even a definition,
and, of course, the ever popular broad sweeping generalization. The intent
of which being to bypass the issues entirely and present the 'choice' as
simply 'goodness' vs 'evil' with who is which being predefined by the
presenter.

The movie in question, and the inspirational material from which it was
derived, employ, among others, similar tactics even to it's primary
construct; which is to take a Supreme Court legalism they themselves argue
is invalid, transform it into an absurdity, and then further expand the
absurdity into a pseudo psychoanalysis of the absurd 'being' they contend
doesn't exist in the first place.

It's amusing, inventive, and quite clever, in the deceptive sense of the
word, but still, essentially, a traditional propaganda demonization tactic
based on an irrational absurdity. I.e. 'Corporations' are 'demented' even
though we know that 'corporations', even if the global generalization that
they're all the same were even close to true, can not possibly be a 'being'
to which the term could apply.

That doesn't necessarily mean I like the Supreme Court decision or think
that corporations are all sweetness and light. It simply means I can
recognize propaganda when I see it.
 
Kelly Humphries said:
Interesting outlook you've got there ... an entire class of information is
suspect because of the way it's recorded and transmitted, while those who
question this are somehow not quite right. I would at first think that
you're serious, but then I have to remember where I'm reading it. ;-)

In an effort to drag this thread back on topic (fruitless, I know), I'll
ask if mebbe someone could sell me two unopened sticks of 512MB PC3200
for, hmmmm ... twenty bucks. That's what I've got left in my pocket after
upgrading everything, so that's currently what my market can bear.

So what's your point? Get a job (or a better job) so that you can earn more
money to pay for the RAM you want. Why are you whining here?
 
soinie said:
Amazing how the truth becomes propaganda because it isn't part of the
corporate agenda.

You socialist weenies give me the trots. You're so quick to complain, yet
you forget that those "evil corporations" are the ones who provide jobs.
Get a job, pay taxes at criminal rates, pay bills, and then maybe you'll see
how the system *really* works.
 
You socialist weenies give me the trots. You're so quick to complain, yet
you forget that those "evil corporations" are the ones who provide jobs.
Get a job, pay taxes at criminal rates, pay bills, and then maybe you'll see
how the system *really* works.
Oh look, it's Archie Bunker. How's your ugly wife Edith?
 
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