Replacing motherboard

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DotNettie

I am replacing motherboard, CPU and memory.

I have backed up my system, have all my drivers and have decided to do a
clean WindowsXP install if the box will even boot. ;-)

I have tried to do as much reading as possible on the procedure, but I have
a couple of questions. My husband is going to do the hardware and I am not
concerned with the connection of the hardware. That's his end of the
operation. He's left the setup of the PC afterward to me.

I have read on a couple of windows sites, that advise to do yourself a favor
and install the Windows CD in the drive before powering down your PC,
before removing the motherboard. In reading the documentation from mobo
manufacturer, it recommends that you use their utility disk to load/select
drivers and the desired utilities9I don't have a clue what these might be,
'cause I've never done this before) and then load the OS after using their
disk installing the new motherboard. If I haven't set the PC to boot with
the DVD, how is the utility disk going to be able to run?

Can someone advise what would be the proper procedure? I thought that most
of the functions in the BIOS were auto-enabled when the board get installed
and POST runs for the first time. I have digital pics of the BIOS settings
now and I pretty much undertsand what they do. I would think that if POST is
successful, and I can get into the BIOS, I can get the DVD-Rom to be the
boot drive until Windows gets installed, but now am not sure which procedure
would be the best.

Thanks for helping me out..hope the questions aren't too stoopid!
 
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Paul

DotNettie said:
I am replacing motherboard, CPU and memory.

I have backed up my system, have all my drivers and have decided to do a
clean WindowsXP install if the box will even boot. ;-)

I have tried to do as much reading as possible on the procedure, but I have
a couple of questions. My husband is going to do the hardware and I am not
concerned with the connection of the hardware. That's his end of the
operation. He's left the setup of the PC afterward to me.

I have read on a couple of windows sites, that advise to do yourself a favor
and install the Windows CD in the drive before powering down your PC,
before removing the motherboard. In reading the documentation from mobo
manufacturer, it recommends that you use their utility disk to load/select
drivers and the desired utilities9I don't have a clue what these might be,
'cause I've never done this before) and then load the OS after using their
disk installing the new motherboard. If I haven't set the PC to boot with
the DVD, how is the utility disk going to be able to run?

Can someone advise what would be the proper procedure? I thought that most
of the functions in the BIOS were auto-enabled when the board get installed
and POST runs for the first time. I have digital pics of the BIOS settings
now and I pretty much undertsand what they do. I would think that if POST is
successful, and I can get into the BIOS, I can get the DVD-Rom to be the
boot drive until Windows gets installed, but now am not sure which procedure
would be the best.

Thanks for helping me out..hope the questions aren't too stoopid!

You don't need to leave a CD or DVD in the drive.

-2) You and husband review the BIOS screens on the newly powered up computer.
All the peripheral chips should be enabled by default. Husband can tell
you which peripherals he is not using, and the two of you can decide which
to disable, to speed up booting or whatever. If you both review the BIOS,
you'll both know how things screwed up. Set boot order to floppy first,
CD/DVD second, hard drive third in the boot order.
-1) Husband should test memory on the computer, using memtest86+ from memtest.org
The test runs from a floppy diskette or a CD. The program is its own boot
loader, and needs no OS to work. It will test all the memory. The fact that
the test runs at all, proves your husband has done a good job. Allow two
complete passes with no errors reported. If there are memory errors, it
is your husband's job to clean up. Increasing the Vdimm voltage one or two
notches, may help if the number of reported errors is small.
0) Don't connect to the Internet yet.
1) Does the motherboard need drivers for the hard disk controller ? You
may need to copy some drivers to a floppy. During the Windows
install, you'll be given an opportunity to press F6. You insert the
floppy, and Windows looks for the driver on the floppy. On an Asus
motherboard CD, sometimes there is a MAKEDISK program, that fills
up the floppy for you. The motherboard manual will likely not tell you,
which interfaces need drivers, but if you are the patient type, you
can try installing Windows, and if it doesn't work, then you'll know :)
On a lot of motherboards, you can skip this step. This step is more
likely to be needed, if you are using a RAID disk array.
2) Install Windows. It'll reboot a few times. It has enough basic
drivers of its own, to allow minimal functionality. There are more
details, but they are specific to what you bought.
3) Grab the motherboard CD. Once Windows has booted from the hard drive,
install the chipset drivers, Ethernet driver, wifi package, whatever
the motherboard came with. You don't need to load any of their
lame utilities, at least until you've researched them a bit.
4) For the video card, you've got the chipset drivers installed. That
leaves the video card drivers from the video card CD. You'll also
need some version of DirectX, and if the video card CD needs it,
usually the video card CD will install DirectX as well.
5) After the next reboot, check the Device Manager. Is everything present
and accounted for ?
6) Do you have any antivirus software ? Now might be a good time to install it.
You want some form of protection, before connecting to the Internet.
Maybe someone else can recommend something, if you need hints.
7) Connect to the Internet, see if you can surf etc. Visit Windows update,
to pick up Service Packs, security patches. Don't take driver updates
from Windows, unless you like to live dangerously.

Once that is done, you can go back to testing.

The tests at this point (husband can watch now):

8) Stability test - tests processor and memory. Harder on the gear than
memtest86+ is. Two versions - Orthos is if you've got a dual core
machine. Prime95 is for a single core machine (like an AthlonXP 32 bit
processor or something older). Either one of these tests should run
for hours, without stopping or reporting errors. If errors are
reported, husband to the rescue.

http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/beta2.htm (Orthos - Stress Prime 2004)
http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm (Prime95)

9) To test graphics card stability, there are the 3DMark programs.
Some are a bigger download than others. 3DMark2001SE is a pretty small
download and has a benchmark mode, and a demo loop mode. Passing the
benchmark is a start.

http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=99

The computer is ready to use, once it has passed all tests. If it is
still crashing at this point, husband to the rescue. Husband to also
check temperatures and voltages, to ensure that adequate cooling fans
have been installed, and that PSU looks OK. You can check temperatures,
while Orthos is running, as it'll heat things up. The fans on the box
should be sufficient to maintain low temps, while Orthos is running.
There may be a utility on the CD, that displays temps and voltages.

Useful info you could post, to get more help:

1) Motherboard make and model. Processor make and model.
2) Windows installer version. WinXP orig, WinXP w. SP1, WinXP w. SP2 or
whatever.
3) If you're so inclined, a list of the rest of the hardware.

Note that there are a few more things to do, but they depend on your
specifics.

I'm just a home builder, and there are articles with much more detail
than this. This is an example of an attempt at a more comprehensive
guide.

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/intel-chipsets/34558-operating-system-software-installation-guide.html

Paul
 
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DotNettie

Useful info you could post, to get more help:

1) Motherboard make and model. Processor make and model.
2) Windows installer version. WinXP orig, WinXP w. SP1, WinXP w. SP2 or
whatever.
3) If you're so inclined, a list of the rest of the hardware.

Note that there are a few more things to do, but they depend on your
specifics.

I'm just a home builder, and there are articles with much more detail
than this. This is an example of an attempt at a more comprehensive
guide.

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/intel-chipsets/34558-operating-system-software-installation-guide.html

Paul


Thank you for your very thoughtful response to my post.

The new motherboard is Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA; new CPU is a Core2Duo E6320;
DDR2 2GB 533mhz; I run WinXP Pro SP2; SBAudigy; NVidia GEForce6800 AGP(that
I'm keeping) 2 HDD's 80 &60; two optical drives;Logitech Laser M1000 mouse;
Samsung 244T monitor.

The upgrade may seem a bit lame, but I have a 5 yr old PC a bit behind the
times, but I don't want a new PC just yet. I have an Asus p4TE motherboard
now and was just going to upgrade the memory to 2 GB. But , I have 4 sticks
of 256MB Rambus memory. To update the memory alone would have cost me twice
what I spent for the new hardware so.......this was the choice I made.

Hey, thanks again for your help! Greatly appreciated.
 
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Paul

DotNettie said:
Thank you for your very thoughtful response to my post.

The new motherboard is Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA; new CPU is a Core2Duo E6320;
DDR2 2GB 533mhz; I run WinXP Pro SP2; SBAudigy; NVidia GEForce6800 AGP(that
I'm keeping) 2 HDD's 80 &60; two optical drives;Logitech Laser M1000 mouse;
Samsung 244T monitor.

The upgrade may seem a bit lame, but I have a 5 yr old PC a bit behind the
times, but I don't want a new PC just yet. I have an Asus p4TE motherboard
now and was just going to upgrade the memory to 2 GB. But , I have 4 sticks
of 256MB Rambus memory. To update the memory alone would have cost me twice
what I spent for the new hardware so.......this was the choice I made.

Hey, thanks again for your help! Greatly appreciated.

The user manual seems to have covered the driver issue. No floppy
needed for a vanilla SATA disk install. Only RAID needs the drivers.
And I was prepared to send you here and thoroughly confuse you :)

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=5&ArticleID=467

Viaarena is where you look for chipset driver updates, if you
ever need them.

Paul
 
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DotNettie

Paul said:
The user manual seems to have covered the driver issue. No floppy
needed for a vanilla SATA disk install. Only RAID needs the drivers.
And I was prepared to send you here and thoroughly confuse you :)

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=5&ArticleID=467

Viaarena is where you look for chipset driver updates, if you
ever need them.

Paul


Naw, the hard drive stuff I figured out, but thanks again.

I will be very pleased with myself if this PC ever boots again. :))

Diane
 
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Skybuck Flying

Here is what you do:

1. Get a copy of windows xp x64 edition it has build in SATA drivers. Unless
you plan on using an IDE drive, then you could use windows xp 32 bit. If you
really wanna use windows xp 32 bit... and you don't have an ide drive it
will get more difficult you will need sata driver disks probably... unless
maybe you have a sata driver cd ;)

2. Replace all the hardware.

3. Connect everything.

4. Boot from cd or dvd rom.

5. Install windows xp x64 or whatever.

What's the big deal really ? :)

If you run into problems let us know...

Many issue's can pop up...

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
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spodosaurus

Skybuck is a ****wit who just doesn't know he's a ****wit. Disregard his
postings. You'd get better advice from a crack whore.
 
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spodosaurus

DotNettie said:
I am replacing motherboard, CPU and memory.

I have backed up my system, have all my drivers and have decided to do a
clean WindowsXP install if the box will even boot. ;-)

As opposed to a repair install?
I have tried to do as much reading as possible on the procedure, but I have
a couple of questions.

You just want to know how to reinstall windows xp?
My husband is going to do the hardware and I am not
concerned with the connection of the hardware. That's his end of the
operation. He's left the setup of the PC afterward to me.

Well, there's one bit of hardware that you might need: a floppy drive
for the SATA drivers. Is your current hard drive that I am assuming
you're bringing over to the new motherboard sata or pata? If sata,
you're going to need to do like you did before and insert a floppy with
the sata drivers as soon as the xp cd loads. If pata, don't worry.
I have read on a couple of windows sites, that advise to do yourself a favor
and install the Windows CD in the drive before powering down your PC,
before removing the motherboard.

Installing? Do you mean placing the windows xp install cd in the cd/dvd rom?
In reading the documentation from mobo
manufacturer, it recommends that you use their utility disk to load/select
drivers and the desired utilities9I don't have a clue what these might be,
'cause I've never done this before) and then load the OS after using their
disk installing the new motherboard. If I haven't set the PC to boot with
the DVD, how is the utility disk going to be able to run?

I'm not sure what you're trying to express here. Can you post a url?

Personally, unless it's some really whacky motherboard, just install
windows and then first thing after install the motherboard drivers (from
your downloaded drivers that I think you said you had or from the
motherboard's driver/utility cdrom) and reboot.
Can someone advise what would be the proper procedure? I thought that most
of the functions in the BIOS were auto-enabled when the board get installed
and POST runs for the first time.

Drivers are not BIOS.
I have digital pics of the BIOS settings
now and I pretty much undertsand what they do. I would think that if POST is
successful, and I can get into the BIOS, I can get the DVD-Rom to be the
boot drive until Windows gets installed, but now am not sure which procedure
would be the best.

I wasn't clear there were any options for the procedure? When the POST
screen comes up press 'del' or 'F2' or whatever you need to do to get
into the BIOS configuration menu and then select the first boot drive to
be your optical drive.
Thanks for helping me out..hope the questions aren't too stoopid!

No, not stupid, just newbie. We can tell the difference, we get plenty
of stupid around these parts. I blame Bill Gates.

Ari


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DotNettie

Ari: Thanks for your response and I will try to answer with this new post
which might make it easier...

I thought I would do a clean install of WinXP SP2. PC hasn't had a major O/S
refurbish in 5 years...runs like a champ, but I thought I could remove all
the digital crap that is probably in my registry and buried where I can't
see it.

I do know how to reinstall WINXP..that wasn't the issue. I was reading The
Elder Geeks WinXP site when I first decided to do a mobo bundle replacement
and his site recommended to put the Windows disk in your PC before removing
the hardware, replace the hardware, go into BIOS setup, then explained how
to do a repair install with complete instructions. So am not worried about
Windows. http://www.theeldergeek.com/replace_motherboard.htm

I am not concerned about my drives, both of which are IDE ATA 100's. So, I
am not concerned about SATA, raid arrays or any of that stuff.

The mobo documentation gives step by step instructions about hardware
installation and I am not concerned about that as I am not doing that part
of the operation. My husband is good at that stuff.

What concerned me were the docs in the Asrock Manual headed Driver
Installation Guide: To install the drivers in your system, please insert the
support CD in your optical drive first. Then the drivers could be
auto-detected and listed on the support driver page. Please follow the order
from up to bottom side to install the required drivers. Therefore, the
drivers you install can work properly..." The manual then goes on to talk
about installing the OS...for non-raid, go into the BIOS and set SATA option
to non-raid. After you do that you can install Windows. I figured out that
the drivers they were talking about were the chipset drivers and other stuff
supplied by the manufacturer.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/manual.asp?Model=4CoreDual-VSTA

I was just under the impression that most of the settings would be
auto-detected when the PC started with the new motherboard, assuming it
starts at all. I expect to get BSOD's.

Then on top of all this, I read that by changing IDE/ATAPI controllers to
M/soft generic controllers, Windows should boot without the need for a
repair install at all....God, all I want to do is replace the guts!

I think I have information overload syndrome, but I appreciate your
response, Paul's and OP's. All the hardware came and I just have to decide
on the Windows strategy.

I am not new to making hardware changes like disk drives, sound cards video
cards and that simple stuff, just not major surgery.

Diane
 
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spodosaurus

DotNettie said:
I was just under the impression that most of the settings would be
auto-detected when the PC started with the new motherboard, assuming it
starts at all. I expect to get BSOD's.

With a clean install of XP why would you get BSODs? Install XP, then
install the motherboard drivers.
Then on top of all this, I read that by changing IDE/ATAPI controllers to
M/soft generic controllers, Windows should boot without the need for a
repair install at all....God, all I want to do is replace the guts!

Are you doing a repair install or a clean install? If you're doing a
clean install, why are you worried about a repair install still?

Ari

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Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
 
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DotNettie

spodosaurus said:
With a clean install of XP why would you get BSODs? Install XP, then
install the motherboard drivers.


Are you doing a repair install or a clean install? If you're doing a clean
install, why are you worried about a repair install still?

Ari

--

Not worried...just want to make this as painless as possible. Thanks for
your input.
 
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spodosaurus

DotNettie said:
Not worried...just want to make this as painless as possible. Thanks for
your input.

Just to be absolutely clear: you're doing a clean install, with a clear
formatted hard drive, right? If so, you don't need to worry about the
repair install problems with changing motherboards, because you're
starting from scratch anyway.

Ari

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spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
 
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Skybuck Flying

Seems weird manual to me.

How can you first install drivers and then the operating system ?

Should be other way around I think.

Or maybe you miss-interpreted it ;)

As long as you have another pc which can connect to the internet, dont worry
too much.

Give it a try in the usual logical order... if you run into enemy problems
come back here ;)

Thanks anyway, funny read :)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 

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