Replace Adobe Reader?

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Walter R.

The Adobe reader has become a monstrous program of about 100 MB. I hate to
clutter up my disk with all this bloat.

Are there any good, free, generic replacements for the Adobe Reader?

Thanks
 
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Walter R. said:
The Adobe reader has become a monstrous program of about 100 MB. I
hate to clutter up my disk with all this bloat.

Are there any good, free, generic replacements for the Adobe Reader?

Thanks

I like Foxit Reader - you don't even have to install it; you can just launch
it.
 
Thanks. But, does Foxit display the PDF file automatically when I encounter
it on the web? Or, do I have to activate the program every time I need it to
open a PDF file?
 
When you click on the pdf file, it opens automatically.

| Thanks. But, does Foxit display the PDF file automatically when I
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Walter R. said:
The Adobe reader has become a monstrous program of about 100 MB. I hate to
clutter up my disk with all this bloat.

Are there any good, free, generic replacements for the Adobe Reader?

Thanks


At Adobe's site, I once found a download page for older versions. You might
need to poke around a bit to find it, or email them. If I recall, version
4.x was still pretty lean. The latest version is ridiculous. They even
screwed up the search function. I thought only the Mozilla idiots could mess
up a perfectly good feature like that, but apparently, the skill is being
taught in computer science classes around the world.
 
Good idea. I installed old Version 5 of Acrobat Reader, which is much
smaller. The trouble is: Every time a PDF file tries to open, I get a
nag-screen from Adobe, telling me to update my reader. Just another nuisance
from Adobe.
 
Walter said:
The Adobe reader has become a monstrous program of about 100 MB. I hate to
clutter up my disk with all this bloat.

Are there any good, free, generic replacements for the Adobe Reader?

Thanks

GSView from www.ghostgum.com.au can read PDF, among other formats. It
is free to use, with a nag screen inviting registration to remove the
nag screen.
It uses GhostScript as it's rendering engine. GhostScript is free to
use.

GSView can also print PDFs which have printing disabled in Acrobat
Reader!

Good Luck.
BarryG
 
Walter said:
The Adobe reader has become a monstrous program of about 100 MB. I
hate to clutter up my disk with all this bloat.


I don't think that's monstrous at all. To put things in perspective, that
100MB that you call "all this bloat" is about ten US cents worth of disk
space or less. 100MB used to be a lot of disk space. Today it's next to
nothing.

Are there any good, free, generic replacements for the Adobe Reader?


Although I've never used it myself, many people like Foxit reader.
 
Ken Blake said:
I don't think that's monstrous at all. To put things in perspective, that
100MB that you call "all this bloat" is about ten US cents worth of disk
space or less. 100MB used to be a lot of disk space. Today it's next to
nothing.


Relatively speaking, it's not that huge. But, when I click on the search
feature, I expect to see a little box pop up in less than 1/2 a second. That
feature of broken. They replaced it with a monstrosity.
 
Ken Blake said:
I don't think that's monstrous at all. To put things in perspective, that
100MB that you call "all this bloat" is about ten US cents worth of disk
space or less. 100MB used to be a lot of disk space. Today it's next to
nothing.


Or, to put it another way, "bloat" is not limited only to the space a
program occupies on the hard disk. It's also defined as how slow the app
runs, compared to earlier versions or to competitors' products.
 
On Adobe Reader 8.0, I've got a couple of issues. First, that the
Google Toolbar is pre-selected to be included with the download.
Second, that Reader 8 adds not 1, but 2 startup entries on the PC.
Both are questionable and are items I immediately remove.

Bundled downloads should be outlawed. I go to a company's site
to get their product - not some affiliated, non-related one.
 
For some programmers and the so-called executives who command them, I
recommend this:
http://www.getchwood.com/punishments/curious/chapter-4.html

:-)

The first ones in line should be the open sauce* programmers from Mozilla.
Next, Adobe. Then, the dingbats who gave us Nero, one of the strangest
pieces of software I've seen in a long time.


*Sauce: Slang for booze. Open bottle, drink deeply, pretend to be a
programmer. Fall off chair, start again tomorrow.
 
JoeSpareBedroom said:
Relatively speaking, it's not that huge. But, when I click on the
search feature, I expect to see a little box pop up in less than 1/2
a second. That feature of broken. They replaced it with a monstrosity.


I think there are things that can legitimately complained of in Adobe
Reader. It's speed is one of them. But the word "bloat" refers to size and
"monstrous program of about 100 MB" refers to size and it's those things
that I reacted to. I don't have any problem with its size at all, but I
would certainly like to see it be faster.
 
Ken Blake said:
I think there are things that can legitimately complained of in Adobe
Reader. It's speed is one of them. But the word "bloat" refers to size and
"monstrous program of about 100 MB" refers to size and it's those things
that I reacted to. I don't have any problem with its size at all, but I
would certainly like to see it be faster.


At the very least, they could offer the user a choice of how elaborate they
want the search feature to be. That new sidebar thing is ridiculous. MS did
a good job with it, in the Excel help system. Adobe wrecked it.
 
Ken

Isn't the problem that it offers more than most users need? Most users
only need to read documents not to edit content!


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Regards.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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The free reader offers no editing. But, it *does* come with lots of other
baggage that most users probably don't need.


Gerry Cornell said:
Ken

Isn't the problem that it offers more than most users need? Most users
only need to read documents not to edit content!


--

Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Gerry said:
Ken

Isn't the problem that it offers more than most users need?


Fair enough, Gerry. I'm not a giant fan of Adobe Reader, and didn't mean to
defend it against all attacks.

My only point here was that complaining about the *size* of a program that
uses under ten cents worth of disk space is just silly.

Too many people are living in the past when they look at the size of a
program. They see a number in the tens or hundreds of megabytes, and all
they can do is remember how small their drives used to be and how much that
amount of disk space used to cost. So their immediate reaction is "bloat."

Today's programs *are* bigger than yesterday's programs, and that's because
they have more functionality. To me, that's good, not bad. That 100MB for a
current version of Adobe Reader costs considerably less than the disk space
for whatever version of Adobe Reader was current a few years ago. The
product itself remains free, and as far as the disk space it takes up, we
now get more functionality for less money. That's not something I want to
complain about.

If someone doesn't need the extra functionality, that's fine. Don't use it.
Or use an older version. Or use an alternative pdf reader. But don't
complain about getting more for less.

The same is true of Windows. Windows XP uses much more disk space than, for
example, Windows 3.0 did. But in most people's view, it's a giant
improvement over Windows 3.0. It does much more, does it better, is more
secure, is more stable, etc. The disk space Windows XP takes is worth two US
dollars or so. I can't remember how much Windows 3.0 took, or exactly what
disk prices were like in those days, but almost certainly it was more than
$2 worth. To me that's not bloat. That's *real* progress.

That's my view. Others may (and obviously do) differ.

Most users
only need to read documents not to edit content!


Editing is a function of Adobe Acrobat. Adobe Reader can't do editing.
 
If someone doesn't need the extra functionality, that's fine. Don't use
it.

The problems begin when they take what was probably one of the most basic
and popular functions (Find feature) and slow it down so much that you can
go get a coffee refill before the feature is ready for use. Or worse, it
doesn't answer your question. In his book "About Face" (software design),
Alan Cooper said that if software doesn't answer a question for a user, or
if it requires more steps to complete a simple task than earlier versions,
the software gets a new name: Defective.
 
Walter said:
The Adobe reader has become a monstrous program of about 100 MB. I hate to
clutter up my disk with all this bloat.

So you're running Windows XP and using Outlook Express because? :o) Most
operating systems and mail/news readers have a far smaller footprint than
XP and OE.
Are there any good, free, generic replacements for the Adobe Reader?

For Windows? No. For Linux? Yes. xpdf, kpdf, pdf2html... just look for
packages matching regexp .*pdf.*...
 

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