Reinstalling Windows XP SP3, any tips?

J

John Doe

I have a Windows XP (SP 3 streamlined) CD, made from my original CD.
Was there any update to SP 3 or anything else I should have at hand
when doing the reinstallation? Like an update pack, maybe?

Thanks.
 
K

Kernel

John Doe said:
I have a Windows XP (SP 3 streamlined) CD, made from my original CD.
Was there any update to SP 3 or anything else I should have at hand
when doing the reinstallation? Like an update pack, maybe?

Thanks.

After I slipstreamed SP3 into XP Pro, it now requires about 84 security
updates if I want to have all the patches...which I don't. An SP4 would be
nice b4 support for XP is shut down.
 
T

Tester

Kernel said:
After I slipstreamed SP3 into XP Pro, it now requires about 84 security
updates if I want to have all the patches...which I don't. An SP4 would be
nice b4 support for XP is shut down.

M$ have no plans to issue any more service packs even if there are lots
of updates since SP3 was out. The only patch you should be on a lookout
is the one which allows you to use your system without activating it.
Microsoft is required to release this patch before April/May 2014 when
XP is terminated forever from M$ website. People should be allowed to
continue using XP systems if they want to.
 
K

Kernel

Tester said:
M$ have no plans to issue any more service packs even if there are lots of
updates since SP3 was out. The only patch you should be on a lookout is
the one which allows you to use your system without activating it.
Microsoft is required to release this patch before April/May 2014 when XP
is terminated forever from M$ website. People should be allowed to
continue using XP systems if they want to.

The only reason I can see for the long delay is the scarcity of available
copies of XP in the marketplace, which forces shoppers to buy Win 7
when XP may be adequate for their needs.

It would appear that a new version of XP Pro with all of the security
patches
slipstreamed in would be a big seller.
 
P

(PeteCresswell)

Per John Doe:
anything else I should have at hand
when doing the reinstallation?

A DOS-based disk imaging utility like TeraByte's "Image" and a
USB-wrapped hard drive.

You take a system image during various states of the install.

For example (depending on your inclinations):

- Raw system, right after the XP install disk has run it's course

- Tweaked system, after you've gotten the UI acting like
you want

- Updated system, after the 60+ Windows updates have been applied

- Semi-final system: After you have all your apps installed.

- Final: a week or two later after you've addressed all the
gotchas that you forgot about during the install - like
telling the various MS Office apps to use D: as their
default directory and moving "MyDocuments" to D:.

This takes a little time/obsessiveness, but once you've
done it the first time it becomes second nature.


Needless to say, before the install; you have partitioned your
drive to 30-50 gigs of C: (System) and the remainder to D:
(Data).

The utility of the above scheme is that when things go wrong or
you change your mind about something, it's only 30 minutes or so
of unattended operation to get back to the system you want to
modify.

After all that, I keep a legal-sized notepad with any
modifications I've made noted. If/when the sys gets flaky
(common occurrence around here with a teenager pounding on it
several hours a day) I don't even think twice: I just re-image to
that last known good image, apply the changes from the notepad,
and take another image for next time.

In the early days, I would preface that with taking a backup
image just in case I had inadvertently saved something to C:

Without the backup image, it takes less than an hour, most of it
unattended.

No data lost bc you've kept it all on D:.
 
J

John Doe

(PeteCresswell) said:
Per John Doe:

A DOS-based disk imaging utility like TeraByte's "Image" and a
USB-wrapped hard drive.

You take a system image during various states of the install.

For example (depending on your inclinations):

- Raw system, right after the XP install disk has run it's course

- Tweaked system, after you've gotten the UI acting like
you want

- Updated system, after the 60+ Windows updates have been applied

- Semi-final system: After you have all your apps installed.

- Final: a week or two later after you've addressed all the
gotchas that you forgot about during the install - like
telling the various MS Office apps to use D: as their
default directory and moving "MyDocuments" to D:.

This takes a little time/obsessiveness, but once you've
done it the first time it becomes second nature.


Needless to say, before the install; you have partitioned your
drive to 30-50 gigs of C: (System) and the remainder to D:
(Data).

The utility of the above scheme is that when things go wrong or
you change your mind about something, it's only 30 minutes or so
of unattended operation to get back to the system you want to
modify.

After all that, I keep a legal-sized notepad with any
modifications I've made noted. If/when the sys gets flaky
(common occurrence around here with a teenager pounding on it
several hours a day) I don't even think twice: I just re-image
to that last known good image, apply the changes from the
notepad, and take another image for next time.

In the early days, I would preface that with taking a backup
image just in case I had inadvertently saved something to C:

Without the backup image, it takes less than an hour, most of it
unattended.

No data lost bc you've kept it all on D:.

Yep, I have been doing that ever since Windows 98 or maybe even
Windows 95. I include a copy/category for hardware drivers. I have
started using an SDD drive as primary, so drive D is a different
physical disk. That also allows you to easily drag-and-drop
whatever important files back to a KEEP folder on drive C, so you
have the most important data on both drives. You can also use a
USB flash drive or whatever other external storage for more
redundancy. I also copy out Internet favorites/bookmarks I guess
that is in your My Documents folder, and some program folders like
Xnews, before doing a restore. It is the only way to go,
especially if you have multiple users to really mess up things.
Your point about making any useful modifications after a restore
and then making another copy, is also a very good one. I use a
digital voice recorder (or an iPhone app) for stuff like that.
Yes, it feels very good knowing that you have a well-developed
installation sitting there at all times.

Good luck and have fun.
 
P

(PeteCresswell)

Per John Doe:
I have
started using an SDD drive as primary,

Somewhere I think I recall somebody saying that, besides a RAID
array, an SDD drive is the only way to get faster disc access
than SATA II.

True?

If not, what was your reason for moving to an SDD?
 
J

John Doe

(PeteCresswell) said:
Per John Doe:

Somewhere I think I recall somebody saying that, besides a RAID
array, an SDD drive is the only way to get faster disc access
than SATA II.

True?

Could be, I would ask in the storage group.
If not, what was your reason for moving to an SDD?

As a primary drive for the operating system (Windows) and
programs, an SDD drive is fast. Keeping a conventional hard drive
for a secondary drive is economical. The HDD secondary drive speed
makes little difference, any will do. The combination is really
very good IMO. Besides data, you can keep backups of the SDD drive
on the HDD. And the price is still falling. The 32 GB SDD drive I
use cost as much as a current 64 GB SDD drive.

The combination of SDD and HDD works well for the Windows
copy/backup process we have been talking about. I have been
gung-ho for good partitioning software for a very long time, but
currently there is no need to partition anything with an SDD - HDD
combination.
 
J

John Doe

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That is an example of Marty Martin Markoe & Company masquerading
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eMicrophones, MyMSSpeech
billyrichbroker yahoo.com
Google Groups
Kelmar & Associates
M.M. <twatface41 yahoo.com>
Martin Markoe <martin emicrophones.com>
Martin Markoe <martin speechcontrol.com>
Martin Markoe <mmarkoe optonline.net>
MartyMarkoeeMicrophonesInc discussions.microsoft.com
Michael Mendick <michael emicrophones.com>
Microsoft Business Partner
mmarkoe gmail.com
mmarkoe yahoo.com
NEWSGROUP DESTROYER <twatface41 yahoo.com>
wbonneau gmail.com
wwwMyMSSpeechcom discussions.microsoft.com
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